New Forum Idea - Server Ops

Black_Hawk_VS

<div class="IPBDescription">Read for details</div> My idea is this, make a forum only for server ops to help deal with problems. I am not sure how doable it is, but here is why I think it would be worth looking into. It would allow Server ops to exchange information and ideas with out the general public knowing what is being said. This could be really useful when dealing with a possible cheater. If you suspect some one is chaeting on the server, you can post it in this private forum and the other server ops can keep an eye on that person if they see him/her. If later they are found not simply be a skilled player (which I honestly think is the case 90% of the time) then things go on as normal. If they are cheating or using exploits, then they could be facing a ban on far more than one server. In the first case, if you accuse a person publicly, they will allways be veiwed as a cheater, even if they are cleared. Also, if a exploit is found, instead of letting everyone know about it and risk making the problem worse, With just the server ops knowing, it can be stopped quickly and quitely. And ops could also disscusse ideas and problems with out having every last person who thinks they know how to run a server tring to put their 2 cents worth in, it would only be other Server ops.

Now, I am not sure how we could prove that someone is a server op yet, but then again this type of forum is not going to appear tommorrow, so we have time to come up with a system if there are people interested in this idea. I would also think it would be wise that only the head Server op be in this forum, since they would have full control over their server(s) and could communicate anything need to the admins. Pleas say what you think of this idea, both good and bad. I also know that NS will have VAC in 3.0, but no anti-cheat is fool proof, and there are also problem players who dont cheat but do ruin the game through other means.

eaglec

While it's a good idea in theory it doesn't actually work. As you dont need any qualifications or ability to become a server op is there any reason that one server op should implicitly trust another? More to the point, the ammount of "omg this guy is teh h4x0r!!" posts that you would get from the 500 or so server ops that NS has would be information overload. Then you'd get the "ban this guys he's an ****" posts and we'd all start arguing about what is and isn't right on a server.

I think at some point every server op has thought "wouldn't it be nice..." I dont know if they're still active but there was a Natural-Selection admins group set up some months back. Where a group of admins all signed up to share ban lists and info, personally I didn't agree to all the terms and conditions but thats life.

Shockeh

A private ops forum that simply has to have the registration for it moderated might be a good idea. But it'd mean yet again more work.

Depot

In theory it sounds good..... in actuality there simply aren't that many *cough* *cough* "qualified" server ops/admins out there that can spot a wall hacker/aimbot, or even know what an exploit is. With that in mind, it seems this would turn into a major flame-fest and dozens (if not hundreds) of innocent players would be negatively affected by it.

Bry

Yes it does sound like a good idea and has been tried before with other games.
However it is very hard to setup and maintain. Plus proving that someone is an actual server operator is again difficult.

Yet, it could offer a huge amount of possibilities other than catching cheaters.
For example things that MIGHT be possible are:

Server operators being able to run beta servers
A user title/group so new server admins know who to ask for help and whose help will be actually useful
Server admins being able to give direct feedback to Flayra about bugs/improvements needed


These are only a few things. The general idea is good but would require a bit of admin work. Possible solution is for one of the board admins to give the ability to one trusted server admin to change user permissions. As i can't see the existing admins loving the idea of maintining another hidden forum

Tekish

Actually I think this idea has promise, at least in the aspect that server admins can have some interaction with Flayra and other server admins regarding some NS issues that may be prevalent in their servers. A central forum where possible bugs, exploits or pub gameplay elements can be discussed with other admins is a great idea in my opinion.

Not quite sure how easy that would be to moderate though.

Rue

ok maybe making a forum for server ops aiknt that good an idea , but what if there was even just a sticky with demos, Won/ Steam ID and reson for banning somone, then u can go look for yourself and decide if he was cheating,

like the official release topic in the models forum whith no other info cept
Alias
ID
Reason
Demo Link
Funny quote from monty python

Shockeh

We do <b>not</b> want a centralization of banned ID's. All it takes is one op to get p*ssy with someone, and they're banned from the entirity of NS? Too open to abuse, imo. And then there's the problems of sync'ing it.

We are not the server police, and shouldn't aspire to being so.

Depot

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I agree 110%! As noted in my post above very few server ops are even qualified to spot hacking or aimbotting. A centralized list would most certainly harm a large number of innocent players.

eaglec

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Didn't I say this at the start... didn't I? you should listen to th eagley one shouldn't you? eh?

Must go, its time for my medication.

Lightning_Blue

Some site started a centralized ban system via a metamod plugin, looked promising then they had a leadership change and the site died. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->