American Methodology
Hawkeye
Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">McDonalds, Communism, Apple pie</div> Americans are trying to play the role of the police force of the world. We've invaded many countries over the period of 100 years trying to break up fights, or do justice to the ones who start fights. Is this methodology really correct?
Imperialism is the methodology that you must conquer the world. Aside from raising a flag in the capital city, America has done just that. We have bases in many countries, and it seems the only thing from keeping America from taking over countries is the "moral responsibility" attached. If America took over countries, then we'd no longer be the police force of the world, but the bullies of the world. Is this the only thing keeping us from doing this? I'm curious to know what you think.
Why do Americans think it is a moral obligation to do the things they do?
If America achieves its goals (whatever they might be), what would the world be like?
Is McDonalds the trademark mascot of America?
What is the deal with America?
Imperialism is the methodology that you must conquer the world. Aside from raising a flag in the capital city, America has done just that. We have bases in many countries, and it seems the only thing from keeping America from taking over countries is the "moral responsibility" attached. If America took over countries, then we'd no longer be the police force of the world, but the bullies of the world. Is this the only thing keeping us from doing this? I'm curious to know what you think.
Why do Americans think it is a moral obligation to do the things they do?
If America achieves its goals (whatever they might be), what would the world be like?
Is McDonalds the trademark mascot of America?
What is the deal with America?
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As for "what's the deal with America" - I think that on the whole, they're trying to do the right thing. Sure, they're not perfect, they screw up, but it's a wonder they don't do it more often.
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No. I swear to god, tribes in Africa could make better hamburgers. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I hate anti-American Americans because most of them are that way because people thinks it makes them look "Cool" in the states.
"arrr, America sucks, oppression, RAWR! Now where is my doublewhipped chocolate starbucks latte"
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out of interest, have you spoken to the majority of anti-american americans? face to face?
just trying to point out that massive generalisations convey nothing.
on a side note, this topic will go off the rails FAST if people decend into such generalisations (which will enevitably be seen as attacks by the 'other side)
try to keep it as level headed and factual as you can guys
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to the people saying things could be worse, its certainly true, but i still view that arguement as moving awqay from the point [america = bad remember <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->], really you could make that argument for anything;
victim: omg i have been raped
judge: well at least you werent killed
etc...
it doesnt really tackle the issue, only moves away from it.
Ill post more later if this thread still exists ;D
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Well, that is true. However, out interventions have had some good outcomes. Otherwise, your right. We are trying to police the world. It's basically our way or no way.
just trying to point out that massive generalisations convey nothing.
on a side note, this topic will go off the rails FAST if people decend into such generalisations (which will enevitably be seen as attacks by the 'other side)
try to keep it as level headed and factual as you can guys
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to the people saying things could be worse, its certainly true, but i still view that arguement as moving awqay from the point [america = bad remember <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->], really you could make that argument for anything;
victim: omg i have been raped
judge: well at least you werent killed
etc...
it doesnt really tackle the issue, only moves away from it.
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I have actually, most people talk out of their butts around where i live... perhaps my environment is different then yours.
Lets not turn this into a flame war. This goes to you too, Mel.
no!
I am simply stating that, In My <b>Opinion</b>, the people that live near me are more for the fad of being against america.
even if you were simply stating opinion, and not implying anti-americanism to be a fad, such flame bait has no place in a disscusion thread.
(be fair now, your opinion is valid, but is looking for trouble).
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true my first post did sound like that, thanks for pointing it out, now onto the topic.
Ok, so you think america is screwing everything up. What (In your opinion) would be the best course of action for today's superpower?
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Yeah, but it's always been that way. I just think it's better for the balance of power is the most powerful country is leading the way/being a jerk (depending on your perspective :D ) as opposed to sitting around, picking its nose somewhere out of the way.
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true my first post did sound like that, thanks for pointing it out, now onto the topic.
Ok, so you think america is screwing everything up. What (In your opinion) would be the best course of action for today's superpower? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It would be to mellow up on certain relations, give up a bit of power for cordial relationships. But no way that is going to happen. No president, king or mafia boss will give up power - EVAR! The enemies will have to wringe it from the cold dead hands of the ruler.
World police is a bad term I think or at least a term that has taken on a bad connotation, the good America has done for the world, and the choices we have made far outweigh the bad and the mistakes.
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I would love America to divulge in some Romanesque privileges, I want to turn on the TV and watch the tribute parade in DC for Tommy Frank’s victory over the evil enemy of the Republic, France. Naturally getting the day off from school, and probably only watching it on FOX... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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There aren't many people which like Americans, though. Americans, for some reason, seem to think they are loved by everyone except middle eastern countries and the communist countries. That's far from the truth, in fact. Being ignorant once myself, I thought America was a generally loved country. Now, after having traveled to Europe several times, I see I couldn't have been more wrong. The papers pretty much regard Americans with the "What America did wrong this time?" type articles.
Lately, the thing has been reporting how many Americans are dying in Iraq and how much they hate our guts for keeping them there in Iraq in the first place. The general impression of an American from a European's point of view isn't a nice congenial fellow, but a football-watching couch potato who loves to throw an American flag in the air every chance he can get. That's the stereotype at least.
Whoever is on top is the one we love to hate.
Nice GJ <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I can see setting up a government before pulling out (taking out saddam then leaving would have left a huge power vaccume ANYONE could have filled) but i dont understand what we are doing still over there. Iraq has it's leader voted for dont they?
Oh BTW, i dont watch football, although i follow my fav team through the season. Apple Pie? i like Cake more then pie (this gives me a new idea for a thread)
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what we're doing is <i>occupying</i>. that's all.
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and the POINT of occupation is to mellow things out.
sure, the guy is voted for.. but do we want him assassinated as soon as he steps up?
no.. so we continue occupation.
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omg i can't edit that post... why??? 0_o
it messes up the html... -_-
well, the above quotes were from TREVELYAN, not parasite, sorry buddy ^_^;
that's a little biased =\
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A 'little' biased? That was the most ignorant thing I've read.
I could just as equally say we shouldn't have helped out the UK in WW2. It was YOUR stupid continent's problem, maybe you ****-warm-beer drinking limeys should've fought a little harder? Need us to bail you out of there, didn't you?
Germany would have invaded Europe...so? We would be all speaking Germany in one big economically secure nation. Trading with other countries and whatnot. What's so bad about that?
Would it be so awful just to let things happen on their own? Que sera sera. C'est la vie. Sh** happens and other pearls of wisdom <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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A 'little' biased? That was the most ignorant thing I've read.
I could just as equally say we shouldn't have helped out the UK in WW2. It was YOUR stupid continent's problem, maybe you ****-warm-beer drinking limeys should've fought a little harder? Need us to bail you out of there, didn't you? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
a little harder... it wasnt a question of effort, it was numbers. and no its not biased its the truth. an unfiltered truth because i'm irish. simple known fact, ask any allied (including france from vietnam) troop the one piece of advice they were taught about american troops and they'll say this
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i got nothing against american troops themselves, because the problem lies in training. more time is required to train american troops to proper standards... in the most recent conflict there have been 27 acts of friendly fire on coalition troops. all of which were commited by americans, and were treated by AMERICANS as acts of gross incompetance. one american gunnery sargeant said that he didnt think there was a good soldier among the lot of the ones he'd just trained, because he didnt have proper time to build the structure of a real soldier. one that weighs up odds and chance before acting. one that get all the information before using force.
and for the record racism isnt tolerated on the forums, so i'd change your post... i find limey very offensive
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It's this kind of stuff that gets people temp suspended and threads locked, so just count down from 10 and cool it down.
And yes, it seems that many of the USA soldiers in Iraq hasn't had very profound training. That or they are just getting a tad sloppy/trigger happy because of boredom/fear of new attacks. You can't really debate this when so big proportion of coalition casualties have been friendly fire. What, 50% ff and other half Iraqis doing? Those are not very good statistics. It does make USA soldiers look rather incompetent.
Edit: Then again, 74% of the statistics are made up <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->