After talking to Nem in IRC I think I should clarify.
I was meaning to say that as from a governmental side, racism de jure is dead. Sure, it's still in the hearts of some individuals, but there's no law that can stop that. Both parties agree it's bad, as well as Independent, and Green parties.
The fight to end racism has ended on a policy basis, because we've already amended our constitution. Now, many liberals are left with no real civil rights agenda. Many radical liberals have resorted to these semantics.
Sorry if I made it sound so weird, looking back, it doesn't really make too much sense.
De facto racism still exists, but from a political standpoint, political groups cannot really address that problem, it's left up to parents, peers and the community.
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Sorry, had to get that out of the way.
My stance on censorship is that nothing should actually be taken <b>out</b> of any text/video/pictures etc, but..... actually, no, there is no but. Maybe some officials should check it over, see what's in there, then put an age they think it is suitable for on the front. But the age shouldn't be enforced in shops, because hey, it's their choice. And i doubt seeing a few swears or racist terms in a book is gonna corrupt youth and breed killers, like that naughty, naughty game "Counter-Strike", that causes all people who play it to turn into ruthless, efficient and mindless killers.
It'll lean right more often than left, but it does bring to light many incidents of PC gone too far.
Some examples: <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A road sign in the United Kingdom that warned drivers of “frail pedestrians” and featured an elderly couple bent over walking sticks may be pulled following complaints that it is ageist, reports the Sunday Mirror.
An activist group called Help the Aged has called for the sign to be replaced with a design that is less demeaning to seniors.
One man said the original sign was so crass that he had a designer come up with some alternative designs. The alternatives feature seniors pogo-ing, unicycling, skateboarding and doing "wheelies" in a wheelchair.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A UNI-CYCLE <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> POGO-ING?? SKATEBOARDING??? WTH? lol
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A group of first graders in Skokie, Ill. had their annual Thanksgiving celebration quashed by a principal who said their cardboard Indian headdresses might offend American Indians, reports the Chicago Tribune.
The kids at Madison School had to leave the costumes over which they had labored on a bookshelf and have their Thanksgiving celebration in regular school clothes after a parent complained about the Indian outfits. Kids who had made pilgrim outfits also had to leave them behind.
American Indian groups in Chicago applauded Principal Pete Davis' decision. They said generic Indian outfits tend to promote Hollywood-style stereotypes of American Indians.
One of the six-year-old girls heard about the decision at her Brownie meeting and come home sobbing beneath her cute little beret, her mother said.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Muslims in America think an edition of the comic strip B.C. that happened to have a couple of moons in it was an underhanded slight at Islam by its famously Christian creator, Johnny Hart, reports the Washington Post.
The cartoon, which appeared Nov. 10, features one of his trademark cavemen entering an outhouse at night, and then saying, from inside, "Is it just me, or does it stink in here?"
In an email to its membership, the Council on American-Islamic relations says the presence of six crescent moons – the symbol of Islam – was a veiled slur against the faith.
CAIR said a sound effect between two of the panels, a SLAM to accompany the closing of the outhouse door, looked too much like the word Islam when stacked in the way it was.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
what i really dont get is why people take Curse words so offensive, they are just words, part of the English vocabulary, if the public would stop making such a big deal about them and accept them in the language then people wouldnt use them as much (think about it: people use it to act "rebellious" and to act cool to break the rules) its actually the public that is causing this problem. (this post had little to do with the main topic tho) but i just had to put it out.
<!--QuoteBegin--Diablus+Nov 27 2003, 08:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Diablus @ Nov 27 2003, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> what i really dont get is why people take Curse words so offensive, they are just words, part of the English vocabulary, if the public would stop making such a big deal about them and accept them in the language then people wouldnt use them as much (think about it: people use it to act "rebellious" and to act cool to break the rules) its actually the public that is causing this problem. (this post had little to do with the main topic tho) but i just had to put it out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you consider them to be just words, part of the English vocabulary - Then why do you percieve it as a 'problem' that they're made use of ;)
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<span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Big Up Blair!</span></span>
I was meaning to say that as from a governmental side, racism de jure is dead. Sure, it's still in the hearts of some individuals, but there's no law that can stop that. Both parties agree it's bad, as well as Independent, and Green parties.
The fight to end racism has ended on a policy basis, because we've already amended our constitution. Now, many liberals are left with no real civil rights agenda. Many radical liberals have resorted to these semantics.
Sorry if I made it sound so weird, looking back, it doesn't really make too much sense.
De facto racism still exists, but from a political standpoint, political groups cannot really address that problem, it's left up to parents, peers and the community.
Sorry, had to get that out of the way.
My stance on censorship is that nothing should actually be taken <b>out</b> of any text/video/pictures etc, but..... actually, no, there is no but. Maybe some officials should check it over, see what's in there, then put an age they think it is suitable for on the front. But the age shouldn't be enforced in shops, because hey, it's their choice. And i doubt seeing a few swears or racist terms in a book is gonna corrupt youth and breed killers, like that naughty, naughty game "Counter-Strike", that causes all people who play it to turn into ruthless, efficient and mindless killers.
It'll lean right more often than left, but it does bring to light many incidents of PC gone too far.
Some examples:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A road sign in the United Kingdom that warned drivers of “frail pedestrians” and featured an elderly couple bent over walking sticks may be pulled following complaints that it is ageist, reports the Sunday Mirror.
An activist group called Help the Aged has called for the sign to be
replaced with a design that is less demeaning to seniors.
One man said the original sign was so crass that he had a designer come up with some alternative designs. The alternatives feature seniors pogo-ing, unicycling, skateboarding and doing "wheelies" in a wheelchair.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A UNI-CYCLE <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> POGO-ING?? SKATEBOARDING??? WTH? lol
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A group of first graders in Skokie, Ill. had their annual Thanksgiving celebration quashed by a principal who said their cardboard Indian headdresses might offend American Indians, reports the Chicago Tribune.
The kids at Madison School had to leave the costumes over which they had labored on a bookshelf and have their Thanksgiving celebration in regular school clothes after a parent complained about the Indian outfits. Kids who had made pilgrim outfits also had to leave them behind.
American Indian groups in Chicago applauded Principal Pete Davis' decision. They said generic Indian outfits tend to promote Hollywood-style stereotypes of American Indians.
One of the six-year-old girls heard about the decision at her Brownie meeting and come home sobbing beneath her cute little beret, her mother said.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Muslims in America think an edition of the comic strip B.C. that happened to have a couple of moons in it was an underhanded slight at Islam by its famously Christian creator, Johnny Hart, reports the Washington Post.
The cartoon, which appeared Nov. 10, features one of his trademark cavemen entering an outhouse at night, and then saying, from inside, "Is it just me, or does it stink in here?"
In an email to its membership, the Council on American-Islamic relations says the presence of six crescent moons – the symbol of Islam – was a veiled slur against the faith.
CAIR said a sound effect between two of the panels, a SLAM to accompany the closing of the outhouse door, looked too much like the word Islam when stacked in the way it was.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you consider them to be just words, part of the English vocabulary - Then why do you percieve it as a 'problem' that they're made use of ;)