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  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    If you wish to know, you must undertake a long journey. You will make your way through fourty-odd pages of this thread until you reach this post once more. Then, and only then, will you have the knowledge you seek.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Nov 10 2004, 07:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Nov 10 2004, 07:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you wish to know, you must undertake a long journey. You will make your way through fourty-odd pages of this thread until you reach this post once more. Then, and only then, will you have the knowledge you seek. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well put. And for the most part quite true. A lot of people in this thread ask "how did such and such custom title come about", you can find the answer to many of them here.
  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Nov 10 2004, 07:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Nov 10 2004, 07:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Nov 10 2004, 07:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Nov 10 2004, 07:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you wish to know, you must undertake a long journey. You will make your way through fourty-odd pages of this thread until you reach this post once more. Then, and only then, will you have the knowledge you seek. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well put. And for the most part quite true. A lot of people in this thread ask "how did such and such custom title come about", you can find the answer to many of them here. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Here is my history for my title if anyone cares.

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56732&hl=snonos&st=0' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...&hl=snonos&st=0</a>

    <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • NEO_PhyteNEO_Phyte We need shirtgons&#33; Join Date: 2003-12-16 Member: 24453Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cpl.Davis+Nov 10 2004, 08:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cpl.Davis @ Nov 10 2004, 08:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Nov 10 2004, 07:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Nov 10 2004, 07:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Nov 10 2004, 07:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Nov 10 2004, 07:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you wish to know, you must undertake a long journey. You will make your way through fourty-odd pages of this thread until you reach this post once more. Then, and only then, will you have the knowledge you seek. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well put. And for the most part quite true. A lot of people in this thread ask "how did such and such custom title come about", you can find the answer to many of them here. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Here is my history for my title if anyone cares.

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56732&hl=snonos&st=0' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...&hl=snonos&st=0</a>

    <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    must... resist.... bumpage....
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    TAK HAS a custome tital <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    If you wqant to know histories, just ask a specific one and we will try to answer <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • antifreezeantifreeze The guy with the goods&#33; Join Date: 2003-05-12 Member: 16232Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Nov 11 2004, 06:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Nov 11 2004, 06:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> TAK HAS a custome tital <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    If you wqant to know histories, just ask a specific one and we will try to answer <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, didn't it get locked at Sire because in a post he said hence forth i will no longer be known as sire, or something to that effect. Or am i thinking of someone else.
  • NEO_PhyteNEO_Phyte We need shirtgons&#33; Join Date: 2003-12-16 Member: 24453Members, Constellation
    11) though shalt not leave a thread at 666 posts
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    edited November 2004
    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showuser=14175' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...?showuser=14175</a>

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showuser=1215' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...p?showuser=1215</a>

    look where it says member tital, you will see that TAK has one, where as I do not. That is how it was proven (that and the fact that he wnet past the sire post count <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) It was a trick played on him by Coil <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    Stop editing my posts Marik. I put Coil, stop trying to make me look bad!


    <span style='font-family:Courier'><span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>hehe, they will never get it</span></span>
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Thansal+Nov 11 2004, 11:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Nov 11 2004, 11:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showuser=14175' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...?showuser=14175</a>

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showuser=1215' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...p?showuser=1215</a>

    look where it says member tital, you will see that TAK has one, where as I do not. That is how it was proven (that and the fact that he wnet past the sire post count <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->) It was a trick played on him by Nem0 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    By Coil, actually. Coil seems to like the ninja-stealth title changing.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    Already we've gotten the answer to two custom titles. But with 45 pages of resources, I'm sure there is bound to be plenty of coverage.
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    I still can't find the new member title >_<

    if only I could search the admin actions database I could find it in a heartbeat <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    and yeah, coil and mouse plotted to get me with my title, it took me 47 posts to notice


    my favorite title personally is <i>bored and running out of ammunition</i>
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-That Annoying Kid+Nov 12 2004, 03:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (That Annoying Kid @ Nov 12 2004, 03:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I still can't find the new member title >_<

    if only I could search the admin actions database I could find it in a heartbeat <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    and yeah, coil and mouse plotted to get me with my title, it took me 47 posts to notice


    my favorite title personally is <i>bored and running out of ammunition</i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Its some nameless guy who never posts, they just gave him the title to screw you over.
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    <b>Necrosis</b> <i>The Loquacious Sage</i> ?

    NEO|phyte is that the one?
  • NEO_PhyteNEO_Phyte We need shirtgons&#33; Join Date: 2003-12-16 Member: 24453Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-That Annoying Kid+Nov 12 2004, 11:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (That Annoying Kid @ Nov 12 2004, 11:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>Necrosis</b> <i>The Loquacious Sage</i> ?

    NEO|phyte is that the one? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yep
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    Yep, Necrosis is some nameless guy who never posts.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-i'm lost+Nov 12 2004, 02:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Nov 12 2004, 02:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yep, Necrosis is some nameless guy who never posts. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A sarcastic response to a unacknowledged sarcastic statement. Ahh the trivialities of the internet.
  • QUADQUAD Join Date: 2002-07-17 Member: 963Members
    Apparently I have a title now.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-QUAD+Nov 12 2004, 06:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (QUAD @ Nov 12 2004, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Apparently I have a title now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    When did that happen?

    Good going anyways.
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    edited November 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-QUAD+Nov 12 2004, 06:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (QUAD @ Nov 12 2004, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Apparently I have a title now. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, part of my "released mod team members get custom titles" system. I bent the "must appear in Steam 3rd party browser" rule for you because the Espionage mod was only a proof of concept, and will likely not be put on there, but as one of the only 2 team members I'm aware of I say you've earned it.

    I went on Steam to see if a new HL2 preload was available, and I eventually looked around in the browse games area. I noticed Zombie Panic is now in the 3rd party games list.
    As I promised, all of the staff members on their team page have earned custom titles here in our forums to recognize their work. I've already given titles to several, such as Daza400, KungFuDiscoMonkey, and Supernorn2000; for most of the others I either could not find an account of theirs here, or I wasn't 100% sure if the account here was really made by the ZP team member or just someone with a coincidentally similar name (such as rhubarb).

    I'm about to register for the ZP forums to give the team instructions on how to let me know which NS forum account is theirs. [edit]Done. Posted <a href='http://www.zombiepanic.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1311&view=findpost&p=12971' target='_blank'>here</a>.
  • Daza4Daza4 Kerc Kasha Join Date: 2003-04-06 Member: 15233Members
    I've got a custom title now <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    I don't think I count as ZP mod team member <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    ....I invented the internet.
  • ANeMANeM Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16267Members, Constellation
    edited November 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Daza400+Nov 14 2004, 12:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Daza400 @ Nov 14 2004, 12:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've got a custom title now <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Heh.. you make them some models and get dev team status and a custom title.. I host the first dedicated <b>ZP</b> test server from June till release and I don't even get a "Special thanks to" on the team page.

    Anyways, enough whining from me.

    Edit: clarified
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    Hokay,

    <b>Supernorn2000</b> <i>Zombie Panic mod PR</i>
    <b>KungFuDiscoMonkey</b><i> Creator of NS_altair; Zombie Panic map lead</i>
    <b>Daza400</b><i> Zombie Panic modeller </i>
    <b>Wither</b> <i>A Bugged Life</i>

    !

    today was a big day for member titles <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    oh aNeM, upon hearing your heart wrenching story of a lack of a title even after effort, and some contemplation, I realized that if I had ACP access I would give you the title <i>Beta Server Op</i> but alas I can't <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    well <b>Wnn</b> is <i> Zombie Panic Modler</i> and I'm now the apparent <i>Sire of Titles</i>

    oh aNeM I have something for you,

    <!--QuoteBegin-Marik+ some communique--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marik @ some communique)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    AnEM would get a custom title from me instantly if either Twilight and/or a combination of ZP devs including Kezei (because he's PT lead) would vouch for his contribution of the first dedicated ZP playtesting server. Yes, you can quote me on that next time you post in the big custom title record.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    /me cracks whips

    Also I've noticed that we have a respectable number of people breaking the 5000 mark, which means we are out of default forum titles D:

    Just for random brainstorming, what would sound fitting to be a default title about 4999? It and any future ones would have to sound cooler than Dark sire [because it's 4000] so frankly I'm at a loss... <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    Other mod people get titles too now? In that case, hop over to the zp forums ;o~
  • JaneJane Seriously&#33;? Join Date: 2003-07-01 Member: 17835Members, Constellation
    edited November 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-That Annoying Kid+Nov 17 2004, 02:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (That Annoying Kid @ Nov 17 2004, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Also I've noticed that we have a respectable number of people breaking the 5000 mark, which means we are out of default forum titles D:

    Just for random brainstorming, what would sound fitting to be a default title about 4999? It and any future ones would have to sound cooler than Dark sire [because it's 4000] so frankly I'm at a loss...  <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    *edit* I meant to quote this post, but forgot to

    What about ?Even Darker Sire,?

    Or ?Darker than TAK,?

    Or "The Darkest Sire there is" ? until someone spasm up to 6000 posts

    Or "Much Darker than TAK,"

    Or "Notably Darker Than a Dark Sire,"

    Or "Notably Darker Than your average Dark Sire,"

    Or ?Damn I spam so much, not sure why I don?t have a custom Title yet." I think the last one would do best probably. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Jezpuh+Nov 17 2004, 10:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jezpuh @ Nov 17 2004, 10:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Other mod people get titles too now? In that case, hop over to the zp forums ;o~ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <b>only</b> released 3rd party mods [that show up in steams menu] get titles for the people who do key things for the mod.


    lawl @ jane

    I was thinking like darker sire, but that lacks a coolness and is to bland, oh and forlorn is already over 6000, and so is monse / molecular / nemo / flayra but they all have custom titles so it's a moot point
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Jane+Nov 17 2004, 01:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jane @ Nov 17 2004, 01:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or “Damn I spam so much, not sure why I don’t have a custom Title yet." I think the last one would do best probably. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Agreed. I want that title <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nil_IQ+Nov 17 2004, 10:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Nov 17 2004, 10:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Jane+Nov 17 2004, 01:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jane @ Nov 17 2004, 01:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or “Damn I spam so much, not sure why I don’t have a custom Title yet."  I think the last one would do best probably. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Agreed. I want that title <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    hmmm, jane / nil IQ ou forgot that these wouldn't be custom, but default titles <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    there is a noticable difference as one requires hanging around the NSF, and the other requires an admin to set it

    I'm a stickler for details
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