On a side note. A friend of mine has encountered a similar situation (hits on a hottie only to find out she's a he [the sad thing is, it's happened to him on more than one occation]).
On a side note. A friend of mine has encountered a similar situation (hits on a hottie only to find out she's a he [the sad thing is, it's happened to him on more than one occation]). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> the best of us...
the best of us -_-
edit: but see, i'm bordering on hypocrisy, or so it would seem..
the thing is, though.. usually you're not connected to the person enough to overlook the fact, even IF you're bisexual! it's like you're a cool person and all, but that's a <i>fat assed</i> lie..
and the truth of the matter is that you may like guys romantically for one reason, and not like a girl who had the same personality.
<!--QuoteBegin--Lord Fanny-[MacH]+Nov 2 2003, 10:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lord Fanny-[MacH] @ Nov 2 2003, 10:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Gadzuko+Nov 2 2003, 10:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Nov 2 2003, 10:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"As Miriam is a transsexual, I would never refer to her as male or female. She is a gorgeous creature," he said.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh... huh. Buddy, you do know that "she" is reserved for females, right? Nice work. Pretty much showcases how much thought went into this show. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Honey, you should read Athena's post prior to acting like an idiot. Might help. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Umm.. say what? Maybe you should read my post again. The guy contradicted himself in one sentence. I was making fun of him. Don't go attacking me just because you think I don't subscribe to your definition of gender (although, as it happens, I don't). I said nothing at all related to Athena's post.
<!--QuoteBegin--Gadzuko+Nov 3 2003, 12:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Nov 3 2003, 12:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Lord Fanny-[MacH]+Nov 2 2003, 10:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lord Fanny-[MacH] @ Nov 2 2003, 10:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Gadzuko+Nov 2 2003, 10:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Nov 2 2003, 10:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"As Miriam is a transsexual, I would never refer to her as male or female. She is a gorgeous creature," he said.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh... huh. Buddy, you do know that "she" is reserved for females, right? Nice work. Pretty much showcases how much thought went into this show. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Honey, you should read Athena's post prior to acting like an idiot. Might help. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Umm.. say what? Maybe you should read my post again. The guy contradicted himself in one sentence. I was making fun of him. Don't go attacking me just because you think I don't subscribe to your definition of gender (although, as it happens, I don't). I said nothing at all related to Athena's post. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, then I guess there's no hope for you then, is there? Too bad.
<!--QuoteBegin--Lord Fanny-[MacH]+Nov 2 2003, 11:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lord Fanny-[MacH] @ Nov 2 2003, 11:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, then I guess there's no hope for you then, is there? Too bad. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, seeing as you aren't actually responding to my posts with anything other than clever one-liners, no, there isn't.
<!--QuoteBegin--Gadzuko+Nov 3 2003, 12:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Nov 3 2003, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Lord Fanny-[MacH]+Nov 2 2003, 11:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lord Fanny-[MacH] @ Nov 2 2003, 11:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, then I guess there's no hope for you then, is there? Too bad. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, seeing as you aren't actually responding to my posts with anything other than clever one-liners, no, there isn't. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What, what else is there to say to someone who doesn't believe that there juuuust might be the possibility that you could be born the wrong gender?
At the same merit, you feel like calling anyone, pre-op post-op or non-op, "it"? Which is kinda insulting. Because, technically, if you call the "beautiful creature" he/she, that also will cross that "genderless" line and the producer would contradict himself yet again.
So what would you call her? He, she, he/she or it?
<!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Nov 3 2003, 12:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Nov 3 2003, 12:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> now is this biological or psychological?
hmmmm? ^^
edit: and Zig leaps into the fray...! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, I've only read an article about this pre-op, I don't know specifically.
<!--QuoteBegin--Lord Fanny-[MacH]+Nov 2 2003, 11:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lord Fanny-[MacH] @ Nov 2 2003, 11:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What, what else is there to say to someone who doesn't believe that there juuuust might be the possibility that you could be born the wrong gender?
At the same merit, you feel like calling anyone, pre-op post-op or non-op, "it"? Which is kinda insulting. Because, technically, if you call the "beautiful creature" he/she, that also will cross that "genderless" line and the producer would contradict himself yet again.
So what would you call her? He, she, he/she or it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> My feeling is, it's not possible to be born into the "wrong" gender. Everyone, medically, has a gender. Some people have both sets of equipment, but one is always dominant. I think that if you believe psychologically that you were born as the wrong gender, then you have a problem. I don't think the problem should be solved by cutting you up, I think it should be solved by counseling and trying to help you deal with the fact that you are a woman/man, and not the other side.
I liken it to if someone suddenly decides that he or she was born to only have one arm - if they went into the hospital and asked to have their arm cut off because it's the way they want to live, they would get counseling and not an operation. Why it's the other way around for gender is beyond me.
As for the moniker, call them what they were born as.
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edited November 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--Gadzuko+Nov 3 2003, 04:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Nov 3 2003, 04:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My feeling is, it's not possible to be born into the "wrong" gender. Everyone, medically, has a gender. Some people have both sets of equipment, but one is always dominant. I think that if you believe psychologically that you were born as the wrong gender, then you have a problem. I don't think the problem should be solved by cutting you up, I think it should be solved by counseling and trying to help you deal with the fact that you are a woman/man, and not the other side.
I liken it to if someone suddenly decides that he or she was born to only have one arm - if they went into the hospital and asked to have their arm cut off because it's the way they want to live, they would get counseling and not an operation. Why it's the other way around for gender is beyond me.
As for the moniker, call them what they were born as. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i don't agree with all of this, but this is what i think too:
if you have weenies and testikkles, then you're a man, man.
because if i see you dancing on stage or something and i see your nuts pop out, god darnit i'm gonna say something.
edit: and it's not because i lack sympathy.. it's because the physical is more apparent than the psychological, unless you GET TO KNOW THEM...
<!--QuoteBegin--Gadzuko+Nov 3 2003, 12:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Nov 3 2003, 12:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My feeling is, it's not possible to be born into the "wrong" gender. Everyone, medically, has a gender. Some people have both sets of equipment, but one is always dominant. I think that if you believe psychologically that you were born as the wrong gender, then you have a problem. I don't think the problem should be solved by cutting you up, I think it should be solved by counseling and trying to help you deal with the fact that you are a woman/man, and not the other side.
I liken it to if someone suddenly decides that he or she was born to only have one arm - if they went into the hospital and asked to have their arm cut off because it's the way they want to live, they would get counseling and not an operation. Why it's the other way around for gender is beyond me.
As for the moniker, call them what they were born as. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If an operation helps a person cope psychologically, then why couldn't it be an option? Psychological problems aren't so divorced from physical ones. Yes, individuals should try to cope with their gender difficulties, and many individuals with this problem DO try to cope with it... but if this doesn't work (as it has with a few people), then what other option is there? If there's a solution like physical alteration then why not take it?
Besides, he looks spectacular as a woman, geeeez.
EDIT: Crap. I keep excluding words from sentences, making them incoherent.
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Lord Fanny-[MacH]+Nov 3 2003, 04:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lord Fanny-[MacH] @ Nov 3 2003, 04:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Besides, he looks spectacular as a woman, geeeez. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i guess i'm bi a little... so i don't rly kaares.
but... look at him in that suit! does he have boobies? *_*
<!--QuoteBegin--Lord Fanny-[MacH]+Nov 2 2003, 11:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lord Fanny-[MacH] @ Nov 2 2003, 11:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If an operation helps a person cope psychologically, then why couldn't it be an option? Psychological problems aren't so divorced from physical ones. Yes, individuals should try to cope with their gender difficulties, and many individuals with this problem DO try to cope with it... but if this doesn't work (as it has with a few people), then what other option is there? If there's a solution like physical alteration then why not take it?
Besides, he looks spectacular as a woman, geeeez.
EDIT: Crap. I keep excluding words from sentences, making them incoherent. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, he does make a pretty hot woman. This is obviously true.
Honestly, if an operation is the absolute only thing that's going to help, then go for it. I don't want people to be suffering horribly for their entire lives, if they are dead set on it then I don't really have a problem with it. I just think more should be done on the counseling side, and less on the physical side.
Some people are transsexuals, and some people are being fangoriously devoured by a gelatinous monster. They're both pretty freakin' wierd. I'm usually very open minded, but I draw the line here. If you've born with both sets of equipment, it's a different kettle of fish. But if you feel you were born the wrong gender and feel you need to change it.... your OS needs patching, shall we say.
You get born with either XX chromosomes, or XY chromosomes. Biologically - that makes you male or female, unless something goes horribly wrong. I have yet to see a decent claim made that whether you are male or female depends more upong your state of mind then upon built in biological traits.
If you feel like you are a woman, yet you have all the equipment of a male - seek help. The same way in which if you feel you are a teapot, yet dont have a handle and spout - you see a shrink, not a surgeon.
Actually, there's a pretty good handful of medical studies going on right now that have to do with brain development in transgendered folks (similar to the ones they did with homosexuals, I'm assuming), and last I checked, most scientists seemed to agree that transexuals had brain formation more akin to the sex they "believed" they were.
As for what Marine01 said, you DO see a shrink. Usually you first see a psychologist, who then sends you to a psychariatrist; after extensive testing and sessions, IF they believe you are a "valid" transexual, you are then allowed to begin treatment, which involves years of hormone replacement therapy and counseling. ONLY after a period of at least two years, and one year of living entirely "full-time" as a woman (or man if you're an FtM) are you considered for the surgery. It's not like you just suddenly go "Hey, I think I'm a woman! Let's go get an operation!".
Zig: And if you meet an FtM (female to male)? There are no "nuts" to pop out...
I concur with everything Athena says...EVER <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> .
But, to contribute to the conversation: There is a genetic disorder in which some peoples gender gets mixed up and based off of XXY instead of XX or XY chromosomes. Thus they're born with 'testikkles' and ...uhh, whatever non-vulgar form of [edit] swear filter...since apparantly female anatomy is bad... [edit] you want. (however, that - and most of this thread, have nothing to do with that picture)
So generally, they have to remove one of the sets, generally the male side is easier to remove, therefore if their brain chemistry is more male oriented and they get that part cut off they could be in trouble.
There's also the genetic disorder in which the gonads never fully develop (as in, no puberty). Which might also warrant surgery (such as you want to actually look like an adult).
I can't remember the names of either of these (I think the first one starts with Van-(something)'s disease). They're both pretty rare too.
Go 7th and 10th grade biology!
I'd also like to comment that reality TV in general is stupid...and lame...and completely unintersting. They're all stereotypically the same.
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:Well after reading all these. All I can say is. um... uh.... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
The amount of time for hormone treatment and stuff to kick in is a pretty amazing thing to watch. A guy who worked at one of my friend's offices was going through hormone treatment pre-op. I'd meet this friend virtually every day, failing that every other day, for years and every day id see him too, and the changes are totally mad.
It's like watching someone grow boobs in slow motion. No, wait, it IS someone growing boobs in slow motion.
Most of this seems to be argueing about terms. Some people define Man as having the male organs in all the right places, and define Woman as having female organs in all the right places. Others define Man as thinking like a male, and Woman as thinking like a female. I'm inclined to side with the biologically tinted view. That isn't to say that I don't support transgendered people etc. I have never known anybody that was like that, to my knowledge, so I can't really judge my feelings about that.
On the relationship side, I'd be **** off too. I'm not about to trust somebody who would lie to me like that. I'd simalarly be **** if somebody started out as being black than bleached their skin white. Honesty is pretty damn important if you ask me.
<!--QuoteBegin--Gwahir+Nov 3 2003, 11:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Nov 3 2003, 11:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I cannot and will not endorse deception, especially in the realm of elevated relationships. Period. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You refer to "elevated relationships". They chose this girl originally based on her appearance, i'd like to think that they got what they deserved.
Also, ontop of this, they proceed to impress her and get along with her, what does it matter what gender she is? If they get along, so be it, they get along, no need to blow it wholly out of proportion.
<!--QuoteBegin--Frikk+Nov 3 2003, 12:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frikk @ Nov 3 2003, 12:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> On the relationship side, I'd be **** off too. I'm not about to trust somebody who would lie to me like that. I'd simalarly be **** if somebody started out as being black than bleached their skin white. Honesty is pretty damn important if you ask me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well if you WERE going out with someone who decided to be transgender, I'm prrrreeetty sure you two would have talked about it a little beforehand.
If I was thrown into a situation like this that is how I would react. I figured that was pretty clear in the post. It's not like I'm going to pull a Crocodile Dundee and grab a girl's **** to check to see if she's actually a girl or not. That'd make my chances of actually going out with that girl pretty slim, real female or not.
I'm relying on them to be honest with me. It's not like nobody has ever lied to somebody else about something like this.
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On a side note. A friend of mine has encountered a similar situation (hits on a hottie only to find out she's a he [the sad thing is, it's happened to him on more than one occation]).
On a side note. A friend of mine has encountered a similar situation (hits on a hottie only to find out she's a he [the sad thing is, it's happened to him on more than one occation]). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the best of us...
the best of us -_-
edit: but see, i'm bordering on hypocrisy, or so it would seem..
the thing is, though.. usually you're not connected to the person enough to overlook the fact, even IF you're bisexual! it's like you're a cool person and all, but that's a <i>fat assed</i> lie..
and the truth of the matter is that you may like guys romantically for one reason, and not like a girl who had the same personality.
think about it.
Uh... huh. Buddy, you do know that "she" is reserved for females, right? Nice work. Pretty much showcases how much thought went into this show. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Honey, you should read Athena's post prior to acting like an idiot. Might help. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Umm.. say what? Maybe you should read my post again. The guy contradicted himself in one sentence. I was making fun of him. Don't go attacking me just because you think I don't subscribe to your definition of gender (although, as it happens, I don't). I said nothing at all related to Athena's post.
Uh... huh. Buddy, you do know that "she" is reserved for females, right? Nice work. Pretty much showcases how much thought went into this show. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Honey, you should read Athena's post prior to acting like an idiot. Might help. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Umm.. say what? Maybe you should read my post again. The guy contradicted himself in one sentence. I was making fun of him. Don't go attacking me just because you think I don't subscribe to your definition of gender (although, as it happens, I don't). I said nothing at all related to Athena's post. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, then I guess there's no hope for you then, is there? Too bad.
them's fightin words..
let's make it a fair bout, boys.
okay... ready?
GO!
edit: OHHH
EMMMM
GEEEE!!!
XD
Well, seeing as you aren't actually responding to my posts with anything other than clever one-liners, no, there isn't.
gadzuko takes the leeaaad..
Well, seeing as you aren't actually responding to my posts with anything other than clever one-liners, no, there isn't. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What, what else is there to say to someone who doesn't believe that there juuuust might be the possibility that you could be born the wrong gender?
At the same merit, you feel like calling anyone, pre-op post-op or non-op, "it"? Which is kinda insulting. Because, technically, if you call the "beautiful creature" he/she, that also will cross that "genderless" line and the producer would contradict himself yet again.
So what would you call her? He, she, he/she or it?
hmmmm? ^^
edit: and Zig leaps into the fray...!
hmmmm? ^^
edit: and Zig leaps into the fray...! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, I've only read an article about this pre-op, I don't know specifically.
(note above clever way to avoid gender)
At the same merit, you feel like calling anyone, pre-op post-op or non-op, "it"? Which is kinda insulting. Because, technically, if you call the "beautiful creature" he/she, that also will cross that "genderless" line and the producer would contradict himself yet again.
So what would you call her? He, she, he/she or it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
My feeling is, it's not possible to be born into the "wrong" gender. Everyone, medically, has a gender. Some people have both sets of equipment, but one is always dominant. I think that if you believe psychologically that you were born as the wrong gender, then you have a problem. I don't think the problem should be solved by cutting you up, I think it should be solved by counseling and trying to help you deal with the fact that you are a woman/man, and not the other side.
I liken it to if someone suddenly decides that he or she was born to only have one arm - if they went into the hospital and asked to have their arm cut off because it's the way they want to live, they would get counseling and not an operation. Why it's the other way around for gender is beyond me.
As for the moniker, call them what they were born as.
My feeling is, it's not possible to be born into the "wrong" gender. Everyone, medically, has a gender. Some people have both sets of equipment, but one is always dominant. I think that if you believe psychologically that you were born as the wrong gender, then you have a problem. I don't think the problem should be solved by cutting you up, I think it should be solved by counseling and trying to help you deal with the fact that you are a woman/man, and not the other side.
I liken it to if someone suddenly decides that he or she was born to only have one arm - if they went into the hospital and asked to have their arm cut off because it's the way they want to live, they would get counseling and not an operation. Why it's the other way around for gender is beyond me.
As for the moniker, call them what they were born as. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i don't agree with all of this, but this is what i think too:
if you have weenies and testikkles, then you're a man, man.
because if i see you dancing on stage or something and i see your nuts pop out, god darnit i'm gonna say something.
edit: and it's not because i lack sympathy.. it's because the physical is more apparent than the psychological, unless you GET TO KNOW THEM...
I liken it to if someone suddenly decides that he or she was born to only have one arm - if they went into the hospital and asked to have their arm cut off because it's the way they want to live, they would get counseling and not an operation. Why it's the other way around for gender is beyond me.
As for the moniker, call them what they were born as. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If an operation helps a person cope psychologically, then why couldn't it be an option? Psychological problems aren't so divorced from physical ones. Yes, individuals should try to cope with their gender difficulties, and many individuals with this problem DO try to cope with it... but if this doesn't work (as it has with a few people), then what other option is there? If there's a solution like physical alteration then why not take it?
Besides, he looks spectacular as a woman, geeeez.
EDIT: Crap. I keep excluding words from sentences, making them incoherent.
i guess i'm bi a little... so i don't rly kaares.
but... look at him in that suit! does he have boobies? *_*
and really nice ones, at that? *_*!!
/me is so confused with my sexuality -_-
Besides, he looks spectacular as a woman, geeeez.
EDIT: Crap. I keep excluding words from sentences, making them incoherent. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, he does make a pretty hot woman. This is obviously true.
Honestly, if an operation is the absolute only thing that's going to help, then go for it. I don't want people to be suffering horribly for their entire lives, if they are dead set on it then I don't really have a problem with it. I just think more should be done on the counseling side, and less on the physical side.
lol Zig.
If you feel like you are a woman, yet you have all the equipment of a male - seek help. The same way in which if you feel you are a teapot, yet dont have a handle and spout - you see a shrink, not a surgeon.
As for what Marine01 said, you DO see a shrink. Usually you first see a psychologist, who then sends you to a psychariatrist; after extensive testing and sessions, IF they believe you are a "valid" transexual, you are then allowed to begin treatment, which involves years of hormone replacement therapy and counseling. ONLY after a period of at least two years, and one year of living entirely "full-time" as a woman (or man if you're an FtM) are you considered for the surgery. It's not like you just suddenly go "Hey, I think I'm a woman! Let's go get an operation!".
Zig: And if you meet an FtM (female to male)? There are no "nuts" to pop out...
But, to contribute to the conversation: There is a genetic disorder in which some peoples gender gets mixed up and based off of XXY instead of XX or XY chromosomes. Thus they're born with 'testikkles' and ...uhh, whatever non-vulgar form of [edit] swear filter...since apparantly female anatomy is bad... [edit] you want. (however, that - and most of this thread, have nothing to do with that picture)
So generally, they have to remove one of the sets, generally the male side is easier to remove, therefore if their brain chemistry is more male oriented and they get that part cut off they could be in trouble.
There's also the genetic disorder in which the gonads never fully develop (as in, no puberty). Which might also warrant surgery (such as you want to actually look like an adult).
I can't remember the names of either of these (I think the first one starts with Van-(something)'s disease). They're both pretty rare too.
Go 7th and 10th grade biology!
I'd also like to comment that reality TV in general is stupid...and lame...and completely unintersting. They're all stereotypically the same.
I'm free! This 'reality' stupidity can't get to me anymore!
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*checks Netscape cache to find it full of LiveJournal entries, E/N junk and meaningless blogs*
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Uh oh.
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I am just waiting for FOX to have a show called
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>THE RUNNING MAN</span>
It's like watching someone grow boobs in slow motion. No, wait, it IS someone growing boobs in slow motion.
On the relationship side, I'd be **** off too. I'm not about to trust somebody who would lie to me like that. I'd simalarly be **** if somebody started out as being black than bleached their skin white. Honesty is pretty damn important if you ask me.
You refer to "elevated relationships". They chose this girl originally based on her appearance, i'd like to think that they got what they deserved.
Also, ontop of this, they proceed to impress her and get along with her, what does it matter what gender she is? If they get along, so be it, they get along, no need to blow it wholly out of proportion.
Well if you WERE going out with someone who decided to be transgender, I'm prrrreeetty sure you two would have talked about it a little beforehand.
With this TV show, they didn't, though.
I'm relying on them to be honest with me. It's not like nobody has ever lied to somebody else about something like this.