Political Correctness
reasa
Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 8010Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Are we to PC?</div> Personally I believe that were far to PC as a nation. Point and case, our school text books, I don’t know about yours but my books, the ones that have pictures, always feature a kid in a wheel chair, a black kid and one white kid with glasses. If you looked in my Spanish book from two years ago you would have thought half of Mexico was filled with cripples.
Then there’s B.C.E. and C.E. I don’t care, that the AD, BC system has “religious background” it’s the familiar system almost everyone uses, stop trying to change it.
Not to mention every time one uppity atheist has the smallest problem with anything even slightly religious, it becomes this huge national drama. Honestly this guy who is trying to remove the phrase, “in God we trust” from the pledge of allegiance just needs to be sat down and slapped. But no we have to be PC, nice and cushy gushy, completely non offensive country. Then there’s the issue of race, which is blown our of proportion, no matter what people say, different races, are different people, we all have the same rights but we are no where near the same. Of course you can make fun of white people, but heaven forbid you call an “African American?” something not considered PC at the time.
I’m not a racist man, I have a few black friends, yes I call them black, and I have yet to be sued. But honestly this has to stop somewhere, what are your thoughts?
Then there’s B.C.E. and C.E. I don’t care, that the AD, BC system has “religious background” it’s the familiar system almost everyone uses, stop trying to change it.
Not to mention every time one uppity atheist has the smallest problem with anything even slightly religious, it becomes this huge national drama. Honestly this guy who is trying to remove the phrase, “in God we trust” from the pledge of allegiance just needs to be sat down and slapped. But no we have to be PC, nice and cushy gushy, completely non offensive country. Then there’s the issue of race, which is blown our of proportion, no matter what people say, different races, are different people, we all have the same rights but we are no where near the same. Of course you can make fun of white people, but heaven forbid you call an “African American?” something not considered PC at the time.
I’m not a racist man, I have a few black friends, yes I call them black, and I have yet to be sued. But honestly this has to stop somewhere, what are your thoughts?
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Also, tell me exactly why the 'God is good, obey god you heathens' crap you people plastered on everything shouldn't be taken down? Maybe we should still allow slavery then. I mean, c'mon, both were 'traditions' established way back when...
There's a difference between 'I'm right and you're wrong' and not offending people. I find the 'Christianity is the only true religion' crap I see every day offensive.
Why? Because they're right but you don't like it? Leaving the phrase in is basically government sponsored religion. And before you go telling me that it has been in there for 200 some odd years, it wasn't added untill the Red Scare, and it was added out of, what ammounts to, paranoia.
I think religious people who try to the state to thier version of God need to be sat down and slapped.... nay, shot.
Why not take it back to that thread?
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=28&t=47458' target='_blank'>Political Correctness - When is it too much?</a>
Dear god don't say that your gonna get my topic locked!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why? Because they're right but you don't like it? Leaving the phrase in is basically government sponsored religion. And before you go telling me that it has been in there for 200 some odd years, it wasn't added untill the Red Scare, and it was added out of, what ammounts to, paranoia.
I think religious people who try to the state to thier version of God need to be sat down and slapped.... nay, shot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am not a religious person, I don't belive in god, it does not bother me that he is in the pledge of allgence, or on the money, or in our dateing system. Santa is part of christmas, I don't see anyone complaining about him. God is part of this country wether you like it or not. Has been since the begining, our country was founed by insanely religious people, now we do not have to belive it, but I think we should respect it.
Why not take it back to that thread?
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=28&t=47458' target='_blank'>Political Correctness - When is it too much?</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well its not in the last 2 pages listed here so lets get a fresh topic on it.
Good for you, but it bothers some people and you don't repect that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Santa is part of christmas, I don't see anyone complaining about him.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How is that even close to relevant?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->God is part of this country wether you like it or not. Has been since the begining, our country was founed by insanely religious people, now we do not have to belive it, but I think we should respect it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This country was founded by slave owners, so obviously we should respect that too. Sorry black people, get back to work. There is no reason to respect the bigotry of the past today.
I do, but its much harder to remove something like that then it is to add it. Its to much of a problem over so little a thing. People in Europe may not like the King or Queen featured on their Euro, but you don't see them complaining, or they do, but they have they good sence to ignore it. We can't please everyone, just because some people don't belive in god dosen't mean everyone dosen't. Its harder to take away something thats already there, and been there for so long.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->How is that even close to relevant?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because Santa is another thing, that like god, some people don't like. If someone said, thats it no more santa, I don't want my child to belive in this nonsence, should we listen to them?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This country was founded by slave owners, so obviously we should respect that too. Sorry black people, get back to work. There is no reason to respect the bigotry of the past today.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
God never forced people into slavery, lets not make that comparison agian.
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You sure?
The only people making a big deal about removing it are the bigot religous **** who thinks the state should force christian ideals on everybody. The people I said before should be shot, I stand by that statement.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Because Santa is another thing, that like god, some people don't like. If someone said, thats it no more santa, I don't want my child to belive in this nonsence, should we listen to them?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, you should. Santa, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny... they're all lies, why do you need to lie to your kids like that? And there are people who don't like the idea of santa, but since santa isn't state sponsored, no one really cares.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->God never forced people into slavery, lets not make that comparison agian.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wait... go back, read what I said again. Did I say slavery was God's fault? No, I put the blame squarly on this country's forefathers (not that slavery didn't exist before the US, just that it exists in the US because its founders didn't make it illegal). You said we should respect the religious bigotry because this country was founded by insanely religous people (it wasn't actually, I think you'll find that a good deal of the forefathers were not bible thumpers), and I pointed out that it was also founded by slave owners, so by your flawed logic, we should respect peoples rights to own slaves.
Slavery is a differnit issue entirely, its human rights. We fought a civil war to help end it. Haveing god in the pledge, or on our money, is not going to hurt anyone. Don't try and compare slavery to it.
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As you can see, you clearly said 'founders', meaning forefathers.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Haveing god in the pledge, or on our money, is not going to hurt anyone.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not physically, but it is basically the state saying: "There is a God". Now you may not think that the governemnt should be separate from relign, but I do, and so do many others, so we wan't the governemnt to stop saying that God exists.
Hardly, I'm not saying that the government should say that God doesn't exist, just that they shouldn't say it does. People use thier own good judgement? what planet have you been living on? here we have "relaity TV" which proves that people don't have good judgement.
Next time you're near a local bookstore, take a look around for <a href='http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=37IRZ77T4R&isbn=0375414827&itm=1' target='_blank'>The Language Police</a>. Thumb threw the first few pages and you'll understand why your books look so much different from those used only a few years ago. Textbooks have been "cleansed" repeatedly for years.
Sure, but as far as America is concerned teh rest of the world is just a place where the terrorists are harbored. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Lemme pull an excerpt from a paper I wrote about it....
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“Now let’s take up the minorities in our civilization, shall we? Bigger the population, the more minorities. Don’t step on the toes of the dog lovers, the cat lovers, doctors, lawyers, merchants, chiefs, Mormons, Baptists, Unitarians, second-generation Chinese, Swedes, Italians, Germans, Texans, Brooklynites, Irishmen, People from Oregon or Mexico. The people in this book, this play, this TV serial are not meant to represent any actual painters, cartographers, mechanics anywhere. The bigger your market, Montag, the less you handle controversy, remember that! All the minor minor minorities with their navels to be kept clean. Authors, full of evil thoughts, lock up your typewriters. They did. Magazines became a nice blend of vanilla tapioca.”<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And just like that, not stepping on anybodies toes takes the edge out of life. God forbid I try to tell you what God's done in my life, that would be conflicting with your worldview. Screw Aegeri talking about biology, us creationists get angry about that. Forget those philosophers and their BS about the social machine. While we're at it, who was the **** who invented moveable type? Why should people have the ability to assert their own opinion, they have no idea to tell me what is right and wrong...
While we're at it, lets just get rid of the moral teachers. And the scientists, they just give us crazy ideas about how things are, and that interferes with our ability to imagine things. I don't really like that painting of the clocks by Dali, lets take it down. Dickens was a hack, lets just take his stuff off the shelves too....
See where I'm going with this?
PC just waters down society to a point where the most raw human emotions are burned out, suppressed, and cast aside. Everyone becomes indifferent to each other, because there's nothing to make each other feel good or bad. And THAT, my friends, is Hell. Not so much a place of eternal suffering, but a place of eternal boredom, where the very things that are wired into at the moment of conception take a back seat to the "greater good" of society.
****. That.
If I want to stand up in the middle of the cafeteria and say grace for the food He's put in front of me, that's my own god-damned natural right for the persuit of happiness. If you want to get mad at me for doing so, for being arrogant in holding a belief, then fine. Throw something at me, offer an angry rebuttal, but don't you <b>dare</b> scilence me in the name of my ideas stepping on someone's toes.
Doing so just takes right out of humanity what makes us human. The abilty to think, the ability to feel, and the ability to feel passion about said ideas and feelings.
1: I have no problem with anything related to religion being anywhere. I've been to several churches, and read the bible, and intend to read other religious books, but I need to learn a few languages first. I can debate EITHER side (religious or atheis) to an extent. I happen to be looking for proof either way, but unfortunately, it isn't there. Boo hoo.
2: I DO have a problem with where this went wrong: "Seperation between church and state" Do any of you realize that the government recently began supporting the christian church? Am I the only one bothered by that? Did I misinterperet something?
3: I have a VERY large problem with people who come onto forums, flame, and leave. Especcially religion. It is NOT a simple subject. I have seen NO proof either way. Most likely because it doesn't exist. If you can get me some, then show me and you win, and then show the world. Otherwise, argue and speak factually.
Edit: Actually, in certain areas of the US, whites are now a minority, with latin-americans actually outnumbering our majority. GG, we're still the evil ones. Maybe because the majority of us is for some reason overly aggressive? Anyhow, I just thought that would put an interesting spin on this thread.
Flame on
Anyway these were called 'black boys', but as this is now politically incorrect, they are now known as 'grass trees'.
And you should hear the tripe they shove down our throats about 'reconciliation' and 'saying sorry' to the indigenous australians. The text book thing is true, as a staple, there has to be one asian kid, one white 'nerd' with glasses and a black kid.
Let me direct you to article six of the United States constitution.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
now how does that jibe with "under God" in the pledge of allegiance?
Anyway these were called 'black boys', but as this is now politically incorrect, they are now known as 'grass trees'.
And you should hear the tripe they shove down our throats about 'reconciliation' and 'saying sorry' to the indigenous australians. The text book thing is true, as a staple, there has to be one asian kid, one white 'nerd' with glasses and a black kid. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't think of the Aboriginals when you mentioned Black Boy trees... but... c'mon, those people had their land forcefully taken away, they were abused, you name it, the Aussies didn't give a damn about them.
Hmm and you should've seen a picture from my Consumer Ed book
One white guy. One asian female. One white cripple. One black guy. One mexican. One Indian (India). I'm almost POSITIVE one was an American Indian. All in one picture.
I saw this on the news a while ago, a white guy was not allowed to play the didjeridoo on a stage in front of people because it is a 'sacred' aboriginal instrument. Now cmon, should we forbid them playing our guitars and pianos?? Ive had nothing but negative experiences with 'native australians', they steal our bricks which are used to hold down the recycling bags, they take these bricks and throw them at the bus stop. Theres broken bottles around all the time, and everyday their children go missing etc etc. And do you know the amount of welfare they get??!!?!
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->One white guy. One asian female. One white cripple. One black guy. One mexican. One Indian (India). I'm almost POSITIVE one was an American Indian. All in one picture.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It seems they are trying to make the minorities feel like majorities. Hey ill see if i can scan and put up some pictures of this in some of my text books. I cant remember where i saw mine, i think it was a french book <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
This country has been very deliberate to open the opportunity of leadership to <i>all</i> people, and until we demonized communism, we were very deliberate to leave religigion out of politics. I'm sorry, but when it comes to religion and government we can not be too politicaly sensative until the two are completely and undeniably seperated. This is one of extremely few issues we are <i>not</i> to PC about.
Yea, it seems anytime someone lets their "toung slip" its a national media fest. Nothing Trent Lott said was something even close to something he deserved to be fired for, and he was fired(pressured to resign by his own party) This is sad, it almost un-american, but no one seemed to step up for the guy. Why? Because the media is far to PC, yes even FOX. Heaven forbid some news anchor should give his ideas out, and they support Trent Lott, chances are they would lose their jobs to, or end up doing the weather.
...and we all know the black, and asian athletes are being hyped like no ones even seen a black man play football before. Or China just invented basketball. Its sad we feel we have to cater on our hands and knees to minorities, many of which will be in the majority soon. Then who will cater to the whites?
Honestly the whole idea that language needs to be regulated is silly. Censorship is just a cop out for people to avoid responsibility for themselves. A kid shoots up a bunch of people and then blames it on a video game, the violence was to real he says, it made me want to commit crime. Should we ban every violent video game cause some moron says it made him shoot people? Of course not, people are indviduals and are capable of making their own informed decescions about everything, there is no need to sell humanity short.
Political correctness and censorship just dumb down society, they make it less necessary for us to think about things, "Instead of hmm I watched this movie and I have so and so feelings about it" it becomes "That movie is bad because it has so and so rating". Where is it going to stop, when people have scripts written out for them and they just drone on about nonesense that the PTA soccer moms of this world find acceptable, when minorities are so completely crippled by stereotypes and "crutch" welfare that they no longer have any motivaton to fight for equality, and maybe when we finally are fined for cussing and having impure thoughts ala Demolition Man? Honestly cut that **** out all you retards, militant g@ys, over sensitive blacks, man hating femenists, and god damn bible thumpers, just fu**king relax call someone a retard, say beaners bother you sometimes, jesus smacked up christ, get those poles out your arses.