Communism Vs Democracy
Fire_Eel
Join Date: 2003-08-19 Member: 19950Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">Which do you perfer?</div> The world is basically, split into 2 different values and beliefs. One of this is Communism , countries like Russia or China or North Korea are communist countires. The other side is Democracy, countries like USA or Singapore or South Korea are Democratic, which do you perfer? Democracy or Communism?
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The real title should be communism vs capitalism. Once you clarify if that's what you meant I'll deliver my arguement <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->.
Democracy is just too...corrupt.
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LoL, funny how the same thing can be said of communism, at least every communism/socialist state we have seen so far.
The only thing that stops corruption is morality. Democracy makes corruption harder, but it doesnt stop it. Morality doesnt exist in a position of power - and therein lies communisms flaw. It works against human nature. I have yet to hear a decent response to that criticism - but if you have one I'd love to hear it.
To post with the same level of possiblity as Nova's perfect Government, I'd like a democracy where everyone is wealth, and no one is poor/suffers. Not that its ever going to happen.
The interesting thing about societies is that they have a sort of rubberband entropy, they constantly degrade from order to chaos and then from chaos to order. Ultimately capitalism will die, but I doubt communism (or any current form of socialism) will replace it. I'm putting ym money on pornocracy.
This is true, it is nice to see people still have faith in the human race <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> . But i feel the same way, from an economic point of view, communism just doesn't work, you cannot expect someone to be motivated by patriotism, or other non-self rewarding means. The idea of equality is nice, and it is reflected in religious teachings and such but the bottom line is, to quote george orwell
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Hmm, seems to be working for the U.S. right now
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Well, the US are spreading propaganda to the people, similar to communist russia. Its no coincidence, they are told they love America, they are raised to believe the ideals of liberty, freedom, even if they cant see them in their world. On the other hand, the US is a strong capitalist economy, do you really expect the US people to settle for everyone having the same standard of living, eg. why should i, a doctor live in the same standards as a garbage collector. You can't expect that, it will never happen.
No they are not. Russia never was a communist country and North Korea has never been communist either. China since Deng Xioping's time has been getting more and more capitalist. Give China another 10 or so years and it will be communist in name only.
Personally, I think taking the most desirable elemants from both and combining them is the best form of government. Take say, free schooling and health care from socialism, as well as strong unions and good pay rates, whilst maintaining the democratic process and allowing the free market, plus competition, to exist. Social Democracy essentially. It's what Australia slowly moves towards sometimes.
A government at either extreme end of the political spectrum is bad. Best to hit the middle line.
I hope this isn't true. Enlighten me please.
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That is what is called "Propaganda". "Communist" countries like russia were never like that.
Note "Communist" in commas. Russia was never a true representation of the ideals of communism, neither has any "Communist" country for that matter.
I tend to agree with Ryo on this one. The best of both worlds would be the best form of government, though I do admit we have yet to test out a Technocracy in any way...
However, can someone please explain to me how communism plans to overcome human greed? I havent seen it answered yet, and until it can be, any communist/socialist idea is doomed.
Borg, here we come...
Democracy is a method for establishing a government. Communism is one of the ways a government can operate. Democratic Communism is not a contradiction so the question is meaningless.
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Yeah, let's sell off every remaining government owned business! Meanwhile we'll cut funding to universities, health services and the ABC whilst getting this lovely big war chest to get us re-elected! Go the Liberals.
If only Labour actually posed a threat. *sigh*
The economy does need stabilising, if it is growing too fast a discretionary counter-ciclical fiscal policy is in order, naturally that decreases funding to certain sectors of the economy. Plus more money is being spent on security and foreign aid, that diverts funds aswell.
All in all, the best type of economy as it is mosty unanimously agreed on is a modified free market economy, like australia. Basically capitalism with limited govt intervention/redistibution.
Communism destroys humanity in a way no other government system ever has, except for possibly dictatorships. That's why it's on the way out, after its short-lived and disasterous term in a handful of countries. It's also the reason that only the lowest and simplest organisms follow a similar pattern and survive natural selection...
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Yeah, let's sell off every remaining government owned business! Meanwhile we'll cut funding to universities, health services and the ABC whilst getting this lovely big war chest to get us re-elected! Go the Liberals.
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Are you denying he's helping the economy Ryo? The sale of Telstra was a bloody good idea. I have had many an unpleasant experience with them, and would like to see it shook up a litte. And all the money from the sale of Telstra is going to pay off debts - the debts that the Labor party racked up. The economy is climbing, the debts are being paid, Howard is more popular then ever and Labor are in disarray, its beginning to feel a lot like Christmas.
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I can actually see what MonsE is driving at, but I think the slight boredom and lack of variety is more then compensated by the supposed benefits of everyone having a job/insurance etc.
Having a horrible dead-end go nowhere job is hell on earth, and if you'd ever had one, and no prospects of release, you'd understand why. You can have a job and health insurance in a democratic and capitalist system just as well, and most people do.
So, like poor people in the U.S? MonsE are you a funtionalist.... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Your right, and thats the problem. The country is spending utterly billions of dollars on blowing up a tiny country, where it could've been spent towards a renewable resource development.
Its going to be too late when people finally wake up and go "hey, we have no gas" Although I don't think world war 3 will be fought over fuels. I think it would be fought over water...
Why else would people be poor if they didn't have a job, unless of course corporate america dosen't bother to pay people jack....
but thats not going to happen becuase humans are thirsty for power.
That is why communism always crumbles under its own weight. It has little to do with greed at the top, but a yearning from the masses to be something or somebody. A very human desire yes - it's why we run this show, and not the ants.
Going on about how it's a great theory is pointless, because there are lots of great theories that don't work and have never worked, and nobody cares about them any more because of that. Take the old Catholic Church - does anyone really think the Earth is the center of the universe any more? It's been proven wrong, time and time again. So has communism.