2.1 Speculation

RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
<div class="IPBDescription">What exactly needs changing?</div> Reading through the NS:C screenshots thread I ran into one of Max's little posts:

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->QUOTE (Zek @ Sep 26 2003, 07:02 PM)
According to the changelog threads, no changes have been made to regular NS yet? Makes me wonder how long this patch is going to take  Or is 2.1 going to be primarily Combat-related?

There are other things in progress.

Max <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

This got me intrigued. Now, we know that 2.1 is going to ship with Steam support. We know that it's probably going to fix those few remaining bugs such as bile bomb sometimes not working. But gameplay wise, what exactly needs fixing or changing?

What many people would say, and this is my opinion as well, is that 2.01 is pretty much balanced. The better side will generally win; the only imbalances seem to be map-related. The game really has come a long way, and I sit here thinking to myself: Well heck, what have the developers got left to do?

The only thing I can think of that might be going in is marine third-person reload animations. Does anyone else have any speculation on what might be coming in 2.1? Could one of the devs give us a hint or a nibble? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

I guess the big question here is: Does anyone think that NS needs to change much more from it's current incarnation? Is what we have now, NS 2.01, the vision of NS that Flayra imagined?
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  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    meta needs serious boosting for the fade and pheremones needs replacing but other than that it's not too bad.
    I'd replace acid rocket completely too or change it but that's just a fade fanperson speaking =P
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    Another (albeit minor) addition to 2.1 are the different language versions. So far, we've got a French, a Spanish, a Turkish, and a German version done.
  • WitherWither A Bugged Life Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11513Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Sep 28 2003, 12:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Sep 28 2003, 12:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Another (albeit minor) addition to 2.1 are the different language versions. So far, we've got a French, a Spanish, a Turkish, and a German version done. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And someone willing to do the Dutch one. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    - third person reload
    - random bugs
    - more maps ( which they actually are working on, I think)
  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    Speculation : they will remove the scope from the LMG and replace it with a tech-ish little screen.
  • FieariFieari Join Date: 2002-10-22 Member: 1566Members, Constellation
    We know more maps are going in, from the mapping forum. We're pretty sure 3rd-person reloading is going in, from other threads. We know combat is going in.

    What with all the complaints about Phermones, one might HOPE for a replacement ability... but that may be pushing speculation too far.

    Changing the 1st person models for the guns? Whatever for?

    Also note this is a speculation thread, not a suggestion one.
  • nojmasternojmaster Join Date: 2003-06-05 Member: 17027Members
    I'd hope for a few more cosmetic updates, like the weapon models and animations especially.
  • eggmaceggmac Join Date: 2003-03-03 Member: 14246Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Sep 28 2003, 07:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Sep 28 2003, 07:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What many people would say, and this is my opinion as well, is that 2.01 is pretty much balanced. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    far from it
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    I love NS right now. All it needs to be is polished. Its like building your own house, the house is built, everything is implace, all the furnature, it just needs to be painted. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • rennexrennex Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2688Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--eggmac+Sep 28 2003, 02:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eggmac @ Sep 28 2003, 02:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Ryo-Ohki+Sep 28 2003, 07:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ Sep 28 2003, 07:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What many people would say, and this is my opinion as well, is that 2.01 is pretty much balanced. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    far from it <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    D:
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    I think it's balanced. Everyone knows my opinions are worth two of other peoples :O
  • PrometheusPrometheus Join Date: 2003-04-25 Member: 15825Members
    Since every chamber is supposed to be an equally good first choice, I think sensory chambers will be slightly reworked.

    What I'd LIKE to see is missionbased gamemodes, cooler onos charge and cooler fade abilities. Thats it, I guess. Oh, and maybe make those jetpacks a bit more attractive for pubbers.
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    There are ... things...

    *starts manically laughing*

    Ahem.

    *Fixes the collar on his shirt*

    There are plenty of new additions.
  • RabidWeaselRabidWeasel Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5337Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->There are ... things<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Great, now I'm excited about NS for about the 6th time in the last month <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • KissamiesKissamies Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4748Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Sep 28 2003, 05:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Sep 28 2003, 05:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Another (albeit minor) addition to 2.1 are the different language versions. So far, we've got a French, a Spanish, a Turkish, and a German version done. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Could someone do a Finnish version, I wonder. Not me, I have other communities to help and I don't need translation anyways, it's just national pride <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    How are fades being nerfed? I know they will be. Blink's getting a change of some sort. What is it?
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    they'd better not o.O
    I thought I heard somewhere they were going to make the fade sorta cloak while blinking or something or was that just wild rumour? ~tilts head curiously~
  • ssjyodassjyoda Join Date: 2002-03-05 Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
    Many Many lil fancy touches. Structure damage, 3rd person animations(many need to be redone, they look weird), I think some death crys could be added, structure destruction animation. Just a lot of little things that the average gamer doesn't really notice.
  • SjNSjN Join Date: 2003-01-07 Member: 11983Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    I just hope it won't take another 5 months ^^
  • rennexrennex Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2688Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Sep 28 2003, 03:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Sep 28 2003, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How are fades being nerfed? I know they will be. Blink's getting a change of some sort. What is it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What? Stop sniffin that whiteout.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Note on Pheromones: They <i>will</i> be replaced. They would've been for 2.0 if you hadn't insisted on actually getting to play <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    There's more translations in the making, and an announcement calling for more help coming up - it would've been posted already if my motheboard hadn't intervened...

    As for further 2.1 info, let's just say that we'll see a few *ahem* additions...
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->*ahem* additions<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Just to cause mass chaos and anarchy I'll wildly speculate that you mean flayra got the flamethrower working or introduced a new alien... or maybe even both o.O
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    Flamethrower aliens will pwn you.
  • Umbraed_MonkeyUmbraed_Monkey Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9922Members
    THERE WILL BE PAI AND CAEK FOR ALL
  • SuddenFearSuddenFear Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17571Members
    Possibly a few tweaks to the Fade. A larger range for the swipe attack and a light umbra affect to blink would be just about perfect. :D

    Mind you, judging from the higher-ups postings, we'll be getting a bit more than minor tweaks and Combat mode. Which is nice.
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Rennex+Sep 28 2003, 04:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Sep 28 2003, 04:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Sep 28 2003, 03:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Sep 28 2003, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How are fades being nerfed?  I know they will be.  Blink's getting a change of some sort.  What is it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What? Stop sniffin that whiteout. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dude they are. I'm nearly 100% sure blink will be slowed down.
  • eggmaceggmac Join Date: 2003-03-03 Member: 14246Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Sep 29 2003, 01:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Sep 29 2003, 01:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Rennex+Sep 28 2003, 04:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Sep 28 2003, 04:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Sep 28 2003, 03:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Sep 28 2003, 03:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How are fades being nerfed?  I know they will be.  Blink's getting a change of some sort.  What is it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What? Stop sniffin that whiteout. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dude they are. I'm nearly 100% sure blink will be slowed down. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you're 100% sure, how come you asked then? :|
  • philmcnealphilmcneal Join Date: 2002-10-24 Member: 1585Members
    i hope 2.1 FIXES ALL COMAMDNER BUGS
  • MrPinkMrPink Join Date: 2002-05-28 Member: 678Members
    My personal opinion on 2.01 balance for pub's:

    Fairly balanced, jetpacks are way too expensive or way too ineffective, lerks are a bit underpowered, aliens expand a little too fast, and skulk is slightly overpowered. D-M-S is way too forced as starting chamber order.


    My personal opinion on 2.01 balance for clannies:

    Marine biased, but not too bad. Fades are WAY overpowered (the backbone of most clans revolves around 3-5 aliens going fade as soon as they get 50 res). D-M-S is way too forced as order. Heavy armor is next to useless, electrification costs too much, shotguns are a little too strong and onos die too fast.
  • FlyFlownFlyFlown Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15847Members, Constellation
    Yeah I *hope* fades will be nerfed, cuz thats what makes the 2.01 imbalanced. Eventhough that's the best version so far imo and I hope 2.1 will improve NS gameplay again..
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