Gamespy Arcade

SidSid Corwid of the Free Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12903Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Not just a Gamespy...</div> Well - it all started when I bought my new gaming rig. And not just two hours after hooking it up to the net was I bombarded by Viruses, Trojans and anxious hackers trying to comandeer my new gaming rig.

I kicked them all out using such tools as Mcafee, Norton, and Pest-Patrol.

I ran pest Patrol last as a "Cleanup-crew", and what it found surprised me. You know the trusted Gamespy comany? (Who run such things as Planet Half-Life?), well - this may be old news, but it sure shocked me.

Gamespy.
Spyware.

What do you think of them now?
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  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Well, their name kinda implies it, huh? However, the phrase "Gamespy. Spyware." doesn't say much. It could be collecting information on what games you play, to determine popularity. Wouldn't bother me tbh. You're not telling us WHAT information it collects, so calling "Spyware" doesn't really mean much. You could call Steam spyware too (like many people do). It would be easy for VALVe to collect information on what games you play, when you play, how long, on what servers, with which people and so on. The question is: Does it matter?

    So what's Arcade spying on then?
  • PithlitPithlit Join Date: 2003-05-07 Member: 16120Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    As u can see in your own screenshot, Gamespy is not issued as 'Spyware' wich gathers Information from your computer and sends them to others, but as 'Adware'!!!!
    BIG DIFFERENCE
    Adware just has ads occuring while u run the software, wich happens if u run Gamespy as an not subsciber (wich most people do) and wich u have agreed to as u installed it!

    So watch out, who u are accusing!
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Hah. Missed that one. <u>Completely</u> owned.
    Seems like GameSpy has now become so big it's fallen victim to the "Microsoft Syndrome": Criticising it is fashionable.
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    didn't surprise me in the slightest... they've got pop-up ads; if they're willing to be that satanic what's a little adware/spyware going to do to their reputation?

    now if you'll excuse me, I'll do what I really came into this thread for...

    ~huggles sid's red megaman avatar~
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    Get ASE. 11kb download, it rawks.
  • SidSid Corwid of the Free Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12903Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Geminosity+Sep 27 2003, 12:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Sep 27 2003, 12:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> didn't surprise me in the slightest... they've got pop-up ads; if they're willing to be that satanic what's a little adware/spyware going to do to their reputation?

    now if you'll excuse me, I'll do what I really came into this thread for...

    ~huggles sid's red megaman avatar~ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Yeah - I woke up this morning *Cough* 1 P.M. *cough* and was pretty tired - so... yeah, I may have confused Spyware with Adware... but still! ADWARE! Thats... worse!

    ..

    Yeah.
    -Sid
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Sep 27 2003, 09:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Sep 27 2003, 09:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hah. Missed that one. <u>Completely</u> owned.
    Seems like GameSpy has now become so big it's fallen victim to the "Microsoft Syndrome": Criticising it is fashionable. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    0wned like a fugimubutt.

    But either way, ya, its just adware. If you signed up for gamespyarcade complete or whatever, it wouldn't show up. ::shrug::
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Sep 27 2003, 12:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Sep 27 2003, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Get ASE. 11kb download, it rawks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ugly interface, but it gets the job done. I never really knew how to use it, I still supprizingly have it on my computer.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    I liked GSA.

    It got me into On-Line Gaming proper. And if you want the "add-less" version why didn't you go for Gamespy 3D?
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sid+Sep 27 2003, 09:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sid @ Sep 27 2003, 09:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You know the trusted Gamespy comany? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    tehe. hehe. haha. ahaha. aaahahahaha HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

    gamespy.. trusted.. oh man that's great. :P
  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    Seriously, they're gamespy, what reputation do they have to tarnish?
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Sep 28 2003, 02:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Sep 28 2003, 02:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Seriously, they're gamespy, what reputation do they have to tarnish? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The one of writing good reviews? Great fansites? Adding a little humour to their content?
    Steam is actually Adware too. Notice the little ad in the bottom of the "Monitor" window? Yep, that makes it Adware. Just like your television, your radio and your newspaper.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Sep 28 2003, 02:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Sep 28 2003, 02:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just like your television <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not in the UK!

    We have the BBC!
  • ImmacolataImmacolata Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2140Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sid+Sep 27 2003, 10:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sid @ Sep 27 2003, 10:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Yeah - I woke up this morning *Cough* 1 P.M. *cough* and was pretty tired - so... yeah, I may have confused Spyware with Adware... but still! ADWARE! Thats... worse!

    ..

    Yeah.
    -Sid <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    How can it be worse? Spyware is clandestine data harvesting that you aren't supposed to know about. ADware is at least frank about it. I'd much prefer the latter to the former if I was forced to make a choice. Of course I'd much prefer none of it. I guess you don't mind about things as long as they don't bother you directly, is that it?
  • ImmacolataImmacolata Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2140Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Sep 28 2003, 02:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Sep 28 2003, 02:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Seriously, they're gamespy, what reputation do they have to tarnish? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Could you back up your unfounded mud slinging with arguments of substantial value? You are not moving in circles of 100% anti-gamespy fanboys.... I think I counted at least 4 individuals around here who does not knee-jerk into mindless conformist "OMG GAMESPY SUX".
  • ImmacolataImmacolata Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2140Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Venmoch+Sep 27 2003, 11:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Sep 27 2003, 11:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I liked GSA.

    It got me into On-Line Gaming proper. And if you want the "add-less" version why didn't you go for Gamespy 3D? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, I owe a lot to Gamespy as well for introducing me to online gaming an easier way. I later picked up more specialized online programs such as ASE. While it rocks, it's also a tad complicated to figure out for starters, if you want to mess with filters. Overall, Gamespy Arcade is a free product, with adds. On top of that Gamespy does lots of reviews and writing about games. I can't really with conviction say that Gamespy (including Gamespy Arcade) sucks. Not unless I belong to the narrow minded but apparently huge crowd of people whose world consists entirely of things that utterly "SUCKS" and things that are completely "COOL".
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    I didn't jump on a bandwagon or anything, It's just the way they handle ads that put them in my low tolerance area.
    When it was just banners I didn't mind but then they started with that redirection crud (click here to continue to planethalf-life) and the innane pop-ups that everyone loathes ><

    I don't know about anyone else, but I don't hate them or anything; I just get irritated when I try to use it and have to click a few more times than are necessary just to get a file or read something -.-
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Yes, GameSpy's advertising is starting to get a tad obnoxious. But seriously, you gotta get revenue somewhere. You receive more money for a popup than a banner. You get even more for that redirection stuff, or some cool frontside ad that totally redesigns their page to make it look like the Matrix or whatever. But you can pay to get rid of ALL ads.
    The bottom line is that they are a big industry with lots of employees, technical equipment and other money-consuming stuff. Meaning that they need revenue somehow. Essentially, we are offered a choice: We pay them directly, or we pay them indirectly by suffering the ads. Nothing in life comes free. And the few seconds of my time that are wasted every day by skipping their ads are not worth a membership fee.
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    The only place I was ever tempted to pay membership for was gamespot... I love their cool movies and stuff and it almost seems worth it to access all the exclusives and huge movie archives <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ImmacolataImmacolata Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2140Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    The big mistake I see is, that too many people endure ads now that it is possible, so publishers kind of can't decide if they go for all-out ads or much more toned down ads. The day they dared to charge money and sit it out, they will know if their product is that good. Combatsim.com went pay-only some years ago, and they seem to live on still. Thing is, if your target audience are freeloading teenagers, you aren't going to be very likely to make them pay for your product. So you do it the advertisement way instead.

    IGN has used the "click to banner" thing for a while now. Answer me: if regular banner ads doesn't make a buck, but pop-up's and "click to continue" ads do - what would YOU suggest gamespy did instead, to make your visit pay towards their bills, geminosity? apparently their ads aren't annoying for you to not care, since you gripe about them when you visit their site. Yet do not want to pay them a subscription fee to get rid of it. It smacks of inconsistency <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Complaining about free stuff is just acting spoiled.
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    not really... if gamespy suddenly vanished off the face of the earth it wouldn't really effect me at all.
    About the only thing I do is check planethalf-life for the latest news on HL2, NS and Svencoop but they're all handled by other sites anyway.
    I don't expect them to work for free but I don't find the quality of the things they produce worth either the effort of the ads nor the price of subscription. I put my money down where I feel it's worth it and for me, games news usually isn't... it's just something to read when you're bored and I'd quite happily go for a cycle instead if GS suddenly collapsed <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    If they want my cash they have to make it worthwhile; gamespot almost did but when I thought about it I came to the conclusion it was just short of it's value. I've quite happily forked out money for things like MMORPGs (Ragnarok comes to mind) so I'm not some frantic freeloader... I just make a point of only paying if I feel the price justifies the product =3

    My suggestion would be just to make it more... worthwhile really. heck jolt hosts weebl and bob and that stuff's great. But it's free so that's not really a good example ^^;
    well, you get the idea...
  • ImmacolataImmacolata Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2140Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Geminosity+Sep 28 2003, 08:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Sep 28 2003, 08:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> not really... if gamespy suddenly vanished off the face of the earth it wouldn't really effect me at all.
    About the only thing I do is check planethalf-life for the latest news on HL2, NS and Svencoop but they're all handled by other sites anyway.
    I don't expect them to work for free but I don't find the quality of the things they produce worth either the effort of the ads nor the price of subscription. I put my money down where I feel it's worth it and for me, games news usually isn't... it's just something to read when you're bored and I'd quite happily go for a cycle instead if GS suddenly collapsed <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    If they want my cash they have to make it worthwhile; gamespot almost did but when I thought about it I came to the conclusion it was just short of it's value. I've quite happily forked out money for things like MMORPGs (Ragnarok comes to mind) so I'm not some frantic freeloader... I just make a point of only paying if I feel the price justifies the product =3

    My suggestion would be just to make it more... worthwhile really. heck jolt hosts weebl and bob and that stuff's great. But it's free so that's not really a good example ^^;
    well, you get the idea... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I perfectly well know what you mean, and I'm playing Devil's advocate and messing about <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I basically tried to say what you put clearly, but I put it in a much more convoluted and badly phrased way. Gamespy, Gamespot, IGN etc. all have subscriber option, but the difference betwen what they offer for free and what they offer for money is insignificant. That is their problem, they want to have their cake and eat it too. I find the idea "pay for no ads" a strange phenomenon. They would then be the first mass media ever to live without heavy subsidies from advertisement. I don't even think I'd want a mainstream magazine (on paper) without a few ads in them.

    Thing is, lots of us use their sites for "hit-and-run" operations. I rarely go onto IGN, gamespot etc. just to waste time in general, I have very specific goals for my timewaste: find a preview or a review for some game, often games that I'm already informed about but want a "second opinion" of.

    I don't pay for any subscription to news sites, because as long as they let me read them for free, but show ads, I can deal with it. I don't nag about it, why would I? They aren't like telemarketeers who invade on your privacy and disturb, they serve up ads when you voluntarily visit their sites. I can accept that. And should gamespy vanish tomorrow I'd probably not miss them <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    And of the two, Gamespy and gamespot, I actually feel Gamespy has a more justified presence in what work they have done for gaming in general. their server browser client, however bloated and clunky it has become, as well as their large network of fanboy sites. That's recommendable IMO, unlike Gamespot who's just another online magazine about games.
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    what they've done for gaming is probably why some people had such a high view before the ad campaign and why they have such a low opinion after it.

    They act as a prelimary host for a lot of HL mods out there, they provide a free gamebrowser and they host all kinds of potentially useful files including demos of smaller games that will never see the market shelves but GS gives them a little boost by making them available anyway.

    If you look at that then it's easy to see something nice about the much maligned Gamespy service; it felt like it was all about the gamers and the community... then the ads started. Rather than think why they were doing it a lot of people got outraged. I didn't really care when they put banner ads in; they're non-obtrusive. Then they started locking up fileplanet with waiting queues (which a lot of people will have you believe are actually mainly artificial and used as an incentive for you to buy their subscription service) and the pop-ups/in your face ads came up.
    Sure they're trying to support themselves and we don't have to go to their site. Essentially it's up to them what they do because it's really their site. But not a lot of people saw it that way... for them it was an outright <b>Betrayal!!</b>

    anyways, lots of roaring, reputation in tatters, yadda yadda yadda, you know what happened =3


    buuuut i think we're both pretty much in agreement about it all anyways, I just felt like typing a small essay for some reason and the events and reasoning behind the public hate-figure felt like something good to do lol
    The end <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Teufel_EldritchTeufel_Eldritch Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 124Members
    I liked and used GSA for a while but then they absorbed MPlayer and after that it sucked. It wasnt so much the ads(tho they are annoying), no it was the mindset of those that came with MPLayer. MPlayer was the ghetto of the internet, a place fillled to the brim full of ppl with a negative attitude. Imagine if you will if 10,000 screaming, yelling, leet speaking CSers came here to hangout. What do you think would happen to this place? It would get f**ked just like GSA did.
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    lol MPlayer was horrible but it was the only thing you could play AvP on until the later patches... the AvP rooms were actually ok but one of my friends strayed from safety and came running back pretty quick =3
  • ImmacolataImmacolata Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2140Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Teufel Eldritch+Sep 29 2003, 05:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Teufel Eldritch @ Sep 29 2003, 05:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I liked and used GSA for a while but then they absorbed MPlayer and after that it sucked. It wasnt so much the ads(tho they are annoying), no it was the mindset of those that came with MPLayer. MPlayer was the ghetto of the internet, a place fillled to the brim full of ppl with a negative attitude. Imagine if you will if 10,000 screaming, yelling, leet speaking CSers came here to hangout. What do you think would happen to this place? It would get f**ked just like GSA did. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Word! I stopped playing CS at some point, and I think it was mainly due to the pottymouthed people I ran into. Prolly MPlayahs <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Supra_SoldierSupra_Soldier Join Date: 2003-02-02 Member: 12993Members, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sid+Sep 27 2003, 10:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sid @ Sep 27 2003, 10:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well - it all started when I bought my new gaming rig. And not just two hours after hooking it up to the net was I bombarded by Viruses, Trojans and anxious hackers trying to comandeer my new gaming rig.

    I kicked them all out using such tools as Mcafee, Norton, and Pest-Patrol.

    I ran pest Patrol last as a "Cleanup-crew", and what it found surprised me. You know the trusted Gamespy comany? (Who run such things as Planet Half-Life?), well - this may be old news, but it sure shocked me.

    Gamespy.
    Spyware.

    What do you think of them now? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OMG too funny! I'm kinda surprised GameSpy actually allowed another company to do that... either way, that post r0x0rs, ill think ill put it in my siggy
  • GadzukoGadzuko Join Date: 2002-12-26 Member: 11556Members, Constellation
    I really, really hope that post was sarcastic.
  • eagleceaglec Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9948Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Venmoch+Sep 28 2003, 08:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Sep 28 2003, 08:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Sep 28 2003, 02:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Sep 28 2003, 02:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Just like your television <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not in the UK!

    We have the BBC! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The BBC that you have to PAY FOR if you watch it or not? Just owning a TV or radio means you have to PAY the BBC for the right to watch their programmes. Now thats a dirty trick.

    You probably all know I like GSA because it's free and does what it says on the tin. Easy to use, pretty interface(comparativley) fairly low on bugs, and if the adds bother you you can pay to get rid of them.

    but many of you prefer ASE. Thats great, but all you people who scream the joys of ASE and have been using it for years:-
    <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>PAY FOR IT !</span></span>
    Yes that's right, your given the software as shareware to be paid for after you test it. So if you like it and use it often you are supposed to pay. It's done on trust by the good people who program it, so don't rip them off.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--eaglec+Sep 29 2003, 08:05 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eaglec @ Sep 29 2003, 08:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The BBC that you have to PAY FOR if you watch it or not? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It is a bit stealth but frankly the BBC comes up with some of the best programming ever. Without the adds (Including adverts during Films one of my pet hates.)

    The only 2 TV programs I recently enjoyed on TV (The ones that were able to turn me away from the PC and GC) were 24 and Spooks (MI5 in the USA because the Americans don't know what a "Spook" is)

    Now thats TV programming I would pay to watch. Rather than watch adverts through.

    This is also not mentioning the BBC News, The <b>World</b> service (Yes you everywhere else in the world can get that), BBC Radio and the amazing BBC website (Which you can also visit and allows you to listen to BBC radio wherever you are)

    It may be a dirty track but you get good TV/Radio/News/Website from it. As opposed to not-so-good-tv/Radio/etc. And adverts, between the program credits. (I mean how much advertising do you have to put in?)
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