Hey, this is a pretty good idea. I'm interested to get better. The clan i have been in has kinda died since school started and im getting out of practice, i used to be really good. Hey Paque, remember playing DMC with me? Im TL | NoJo....... Well my AIM name is: TheRealNoJo and my e-m@il is: analious@cox.net
i'm very interested... every time i set foot on a strange new world
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"oh my god jim we are on a hostile world!" <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
If I'm not too late, sign me up! I'm pretty much a newbie, been playing ns and half-life mods in general for little under a month. But I have played ns quite extensively on lan, so I can just about tell the difference between a phase gate and an offence chamber.
If I remember to sign in to msn, I should get any e-mails sent to this address: col_t13@hotmail.com
Very Interested in joining group two. Like many school and other issues have killed our server, so I get little or no practice. I can be reached at Drakon_II@hotmail.com, or Drakon@digitalinfestation.com. My AIM is Drakon0101 And for IRC I can be reached at #DI-clan.
I'd like to join. I've been doing pretty decent lately as a 'rine but I'd like to get better and play with some more organized peeps. I've got Yahoo messenger: Thirten1985, or PM me here I guess?
<!--QuoteBegin--Mendevel+Sep 30 2003, 12:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mendevel @ Sep 30 2003, 12:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you didn't you probably shouldn't be playing the game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You suck!
you can sign me up jojo <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm already l337, I can kick all of your newb a$$es with eeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase. I will make you look so damn bad that you will never want to play any kind of game again. haha, you guys are such f'ing newbs to do a thing like this.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sarcasism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
Meh, I fair damn good to damn sucky depending on teams, map, server, and whatever, but how do you improve somebody at NS besides teaching them that +attack is really the only command you need along with +use? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> I understand Com'ing, but nothing works all the time and other people may not like what you are doing (had this problem many times, even though it led to victory 3 times in a row when two other ppl have done it.) Oh well. Anyways, good luck to anybody who is using this hehe.
Hmm, apparently I chose a bad time to take a sabbatical from the NS forums! Anyways, I be Spazmatic, known as Spazmatic, semi-regular on (KCSA)Infectious Wastes and (LGSO)Killing Fields, been playing since 1.03, and I'm interested in improving (always am), especially if it's under the tutelage of pandas. I'm available for contact at zcochrane4077@yahoo.com, and on AIM as zcochrane4077.
Also, thank you Jojo, for doing this... It's rather needed, and it's nice of you and the other pandas to step up and take the time. We love you! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Would you care to enlighten me about how you plan to take people that may have been playing NS ever since it came out, and therefore know all the tricks (but still turn out to be bad at killing things), and turn them into super bad4ss clan-forming superheroes? The only way to get better (if you already understand all the workings of NS) is to play alot, like every damn day. If you're going to teach them special exploits or teach them to fiddle with console settings to improve their game, please dont bother, I'm really tired of hearing "elite" players talking about all the latest scripts and binds to make the game easier so you can respond more quickly and hence become a "better" player. I'm not saying you are, but if you are, stop it. Now the only other alternative that comes to mind is that you're going to work with these people in a private server and tell them you know the "secrets" of aiming well, or special camping spots or special strategies, chamber/tech priorities etc. This reminds me of home workout tapes...stop being lazy, I'm definitely not the best player, but when I play NS for days or weeks consecutively I can tell that I get progressively better, when you stop playing for any length of time, theres only one thing that can happen as a result...you get worse. The people who are any good, assuming only a percentage of them have any natural talent, are letting reality take the back-seat, and THAT is why they are so good. If you're not going to sacrifice the time to get better at NS like these guys then you had better face the fact that you will always be mediocre.
Wow, Arawn. How does it feel to live in a world where everyone has a hidden agenda or conspiracy behind everything they do?
Some people decide to set up something to help out people who feel they aren't as good at the game as they could be... Ands suddenly, they're all egotists who are going to teach these people loads of exploits?
I mean, come on... sometimes, people just do things to be nice, you know? These guys want to help the other players, and we should *appluad* them for that.
I'm an OK example; I know the inner workings of the game, I know what to do and not do in different situations, but I have a major weakness; I can't find my way anywhere by name, I need a waypoint or someone to follow. I need to work on that.
Well actually, I was mostly responding to someone on like the first or second page who said he played these guys and that they used exploits (but were still good), so if that was their intention, to teach exploits, then they need to start packing. Would you also please note that I didn't say they were -definitely- out to teach exploits. Their motives were not in question either, but I fail to see exactly how they could teach anyone to be better..you can pick up strategies VERY easily just by playing a couple games, and executing strategies requires the most important skill in the game..aiming..you need to shoot people and you need to be able to shoot people well. We'll go by your example..you dont need their help to learn the room names, if you do need them to hold your hand, then the fact you could even construct a response to my post has me in awe. There are very few things in this game that can't be discovered/improved upon easily on your own, so I really have no idea how these guys could do anything to help. If everyone has issues as simple as yours then there is no need for them. Oh, and you have to admit clanners (including this guy) have some pretty big egos, "Oh, look at me, the leet clanner, lets take all these poor pub souls under our wing and teach them real skills." Ask anyone who the better players are, the ones in clans or the ones who dont want to serve in one of these substitutions for street gangs. They even get special treatment/regard from the devteam, Flayra always wants to tune the game for clans, instead of public servers, which are in the majority, plus those stupid veteran slots and what not are for clan-people, they're constantly getting peeks, getting to test, and being asked for their input just because they are in a clan. I'm tired of being sneered at (or rather the public players, of which I am a part) by people in clans because they think they're gifted or something, I can imagine how hard it must be for these guys to re-enter society and remind themselves that no one is going to take a tone of reverence with them just because they're in a clan/the devteams inner circle. Bitter? You're damn right I am.
<!--QuoteBegin--Arawn+Oct 4 2003, 11:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Arawn @ Oct 4 2003, 11:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well actually, I was mostly responding to someone on like the first or second page who said he played these guys and that they used exploits (but were still good), so if that was their intention, to teach exploits, then they need to start packing. Would you also please note that I didn't say they were -definitely- out to teach exploits. Their motives were not in question either, but I fail to see exactly how they could teach anyone to be better..you can pick up strategies VERY easily just by playing a couple games, and executing strategies requires the most important skill in the game..aiming..you need to shoot people and you need to be able to shoot people well. We'll go by your example..you dont need their help to learn the room names, if you do need them to hold your hand, then the fact you could even construct a response to my post has me in awe. There are very few things in this game that can't be discovered/improved upon easily on your own, so I really have no idea how these guys could do anything to help. If everyone has issues as simple as yours then there is no need for them. Oh, and you have to admit clanners (including this guy) have some pretty big egos, "Oh, look at me, the leet clanner, lets take all these poor pub souls under our wing and teach them real skills." Ask anyone who the better players are, the ones in clans or the ones who dont want to serve in one of these substitutions for street gangs. They even get special treatment/regard from the devteam, Flayra always wants to tune the game for clans, instead of public servers, which are in the majority, plus those stupid veteran slots and what not are for clan-people, they're constantly getting peeks, getting to test, and being asked for their input just because they are in a clan. I'm tired of being sneered at (or rather the public players, of which I am a part) by people in clans because they think they're gifted or something, I can imagine how hard it must be for these guys to re-enter society and remind themselves that no one is going to take a tone of reverence with them just because they're in a clan/the devteams inner circle. Bitter? You're damn right I am. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You fail to see how people can be taught to play better? Why dont you just go ask them.... In short, this isnt the place to post about childish grudges. You want to join and see for yourself or not?
Hey I hate to interrupt a good flame... <b>well actually I don't</b> but getting to the point; is there going to be another one of these held any time soon? I missed the last one by a hair's breadth. I was hoping I would have the chance to try again.
Oh and Arawn, you forgot that perhaps they could help us by <i>watching our play tactics and pointing out what we are and are not doing</i>. I mean come on, when you write an english paper, do you not get it proof read? Perhaps twice or thrice? Input from minds other than your own helps you refine your technique. You don't claim to know everything, and neither do I, but I do know one thing, if you were to watch me play, you may know something that I do not, and vice versa, from there we would end up learning that much more, <i>that much faster</i>. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
And please, <b>please</b> don't block your text like that <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->, it makes it hard to read and it is doubtful you want people disrespecting your opinon any further due to something like that. Note however that I do not disrepect your opinion because you are entitled to it, but must you provoke others?
Ask them? They have no idea what you're going to do, they're like fat people and you're John Basedow. "Hey! I have a miracle cure for fat people, err bad players, nevermind how but I'll have you thinking you'll be a good player by working out, or playing, just 3 minutes a day for 3 weeks and you WILL see results!" As far as I know you haven't taught anyone to be better, so how am I going to ask them..and why didn't you bother taking the time to tell me how you do it while you were posting? You clanners really aren't anything special. The similarities between clans and street gangs are amazing, the clanners on here are just as lame as people in real gangs, but they're too chicken-sh1t to do it in real life. If anything their case is worse than real gangs, it's motivated by their "skill" in a mod hardly anyone has heard of for an extremely old game.
I'm not saying I dont like NS or Half-life, but you've got to admit the whole clan-scene is pretty damn trivial. The first time I heard that people actually made a career out of playing Counter-Strike and winning money I almost had a heart attack because it was so stupid. Clans are the same thing in NS on a smaller scale, I mean some of you are so proud of your clans to the brink of arrogance and you get this really grand image of yourself, but really it means nothing. You're nothing. Step back and look at yourself and your clan, there's nothing tangible about it, as far as everyone else in the world is concerned your clan doesn't exist, the only evidence of clans is a stupid tag, and anyone can wear one, anyone on a public server can just stick that into their name. Some of you really egotistical people have a WEBSITE for a clan that no one cares about except for you. The only traffic your website generates consists of your members and any "friends" you direct to it. Nobody cares. Take a look at who you are in the real world, I know some of you love to think you can substitute your accomplishments in clan matches for personal worth in the real world, but I'm sorry you just can't.
Edit: Man..I swear I was writing this post before I saw yours lol, I try to cut it into sections whenever I feel it's necessary..I don't understand why you all have such a hard time reading this, but obviously you do because you either didn't read my post or didn't understand it. I'm not saying this training program has no merit, initially I wanted to know how they intended to do it, but the fact that someone mentioned his clan uses exploits regularly didn't inspire my confidence. Anyway, it sort of turned into a flame on clans, which are a crock of sh1t by the way, oh well. --I usually read over my posts 2 or 3 times for content, and spelling etc. I have no problem reading it when it's all blocked..I'm also aware that I skip apostrophes sometimes, but it's such a pain so I don't bother. --Damn it, I keep having to edit this..I just wanted to thank you for such a civil response, here's a guideline to posting I just made up on the spot: Don't respond to someones post about veterans with "poor boy" when you ARE, in fact, a veteran. It makes you look like even more of an assh0le than me.
But you are provoking them again! I mean was this really necessary:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The similarities between clans and street gangs are amazing, the clanners on here are just as lame as people in real gangs, but they're too chicken-sh1t to do it in real life. If anything their case is worse than real gangs, it's motivated by their "skill" in a mod hardly anyone has heard of for an extremely old game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There is really no need to <i>aggravate anyone</i>, because your initial question was reasonable, but by doing this, you make people view you with an unreasonable slant. I may not be doing so myself, but I am pretty sure others will. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The first time I heard that people actually made a career out of playing Counter-Strike and winning money I almost had a heart attack because it was so stupid.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I have to admit this gave me a good laugh though. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm not saying I dont like NS or Half-life, but you've got to admit the whole clan-scene is pretty damn trivial. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> But if you <i>like</i> NS, why are you antagonizing its members. Just try the Panda's "training server" and see for yourself, if it is an utter lie then it is, if it is not then you may get something out of it.
Oh and about the block text, it is not that it is <i>that</i> hard to read, it is simply that it makes people less inclined to read it. Well my eyesight is not perfect so ok it is <b>not</b> so much fun to read your first two posts. Your reply to mine was fine.
Jeez..ok, it feels so unnatural to start a new paragraph every third sentence..whats a guideline, is about every second or third sentence good? It wasn't REALLY my intention to provoke them, but it's just an ugly truth, clans are bull, besides, my position was attacked first.
I would say; spare my eyes and cut it off at four sentences. How's that? Anyway, I also try to read over my posts and edit them often, you may have noticed the numerous times I edited that post. So I know how it is to be nit-picky. And yes, I also try to keep my sentences of even length, but you shouldn't take it that far, I am just a neat freak about writing.
I also felt the same way about clans, but what the hell, if they want to do as they do, I could care less. I might not outright <i>hate</i> clans, but the idea seemed silly to me when I first thought about it. Then I was offered the chance to be in one, and no, we are not gangs of street thugs that have the insatiable urge to grab our crotches and walk like we have a disorder of the unnameable variety. Simply put it was fun.<ul> <li>It was fun when we got together online and talked, many a good discussion was born. <li>It was fun when we played and helped each other learn things we would not have learned alone about the game. <li>It was fun when we were respected. To a degree of course. Not a one of us claimed to be L337. <li>It was fun to see comraderie in a game when before there existed none for any of us. </ul> Then the mod we played died. But I actually have memories, god bless my sappy soul, of playing with people I <b>have never seen, in a place that does not actually exist</b>. Do I deserve to be called an idiot and a fool because of nostalgia? Oh great, thanks for making me talk about it, now I am depressed.
Yeah..I see Jojo hovering on this thread, but I'm gonna say I'll stop posting flames for now..unless he writes a VERY good one, which he might because hes been sitting on here for so long. Anyway, I dont outright hate clans, to tell the truth I've been in a CS clan and I was in an NS clan for a short time..the CS clan was a group of people I already knew very well outside of the game, and we did not play "professionally".
My experience is, for example, that when you make a rule and enforce it moderately, people still tend to bend it a little and usually the rule was made with the intention that it would be the minimum acceptable behavior. If you set them to a higher standard and enforce it more vigorously, but of course it would still be bent a little, but by that time people will be behaving in a manner you wanted in the first place..
I'm not sure if that made sense. Here's a crappy example: No chewing gum in class, punishment is a 15 minute detention after school. Big deal. The purpose of this rule is to stop them from leaving wrappers/gum in the desks, if you say punishment is 1 week suspension, call to parents, and upon your return you have to scrub toilets for an additional week almost NO ONE is going to be leaving wrappers in that desk, I assure you. People might still chew gum but they will definitely take the wrapper/gum with them, thus the desired goal is accomplished and you aren't being overly harsh, because they can still do what they want, chew gum, but you get what you want, no wrappers/gum in the desks. Damn, I don't know if that sucks, let me know and I can edit it.
By the same token, if I politely say that only some clan members are like this, my post will be wholly ignored, this way people are listening to me, really only some people take it to that extreme, but that guy just p1ssed me off too. If I make this issue look really ugly, they'll respond, but not in the way I have outlined, and maybe (I don't have this much optimism really) change enough for my comfort. If I said only a few people were just a *little* bit out of line then everyone would go "Oh, I'm not like that, besides what he's talking about isn't really a big deal." Do you see what I'm saying? I just ruined it, but people would be thinking "Oh, other people think I'm like that." and possibly be more self-conscious. Blah I'm tired.
Arawn, I'd like to ask you to put your personal animosity towards clans and the generalizations of arrogant clanners aside.
Jojoshua is providing a service to people who want it. If you don't want it, don't reply in here knocking his free service.
I personally am glad such a thing is being offered, as often there are people who seek to play at a different level of play than just pubs but have no direction in how to accomplish that.
Jojoshua isn't taking pubbers under his wing and turning them into arrogant clanners. He's taking clanners under his wing and making them better clanners and better players. These are people who want to try a different style of play and are accepting of the fact that the style exists. And please, do not assume that people who have played the game since day 1 know everything there is to know about the game. There's always somebody better out there.
I gotta agree. I seen the pandas guys play. and most of them are averagely skilled and jojo is a good commander, but I dont see how they can teach people to get better at NS when they lack a lot themselves :/
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jane smells good tho =o <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
-Impy *squeak* <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm interested to get better.
The clan i have been in has kinda died since school started and im getting out of practice, i used to be really good. Hey Paque, remember playing DMC with me? Im TL | NoJo.......
Well my AIM name is: TheRealNoJo
and my e-m@il is: analious@cox.net
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I'm a CL of a new-ish clan and any help moving from pub to clan play mentality would be appreciated.
Email is phoenix@nc.jarhedz.com, MSN is p_ashton@hotmail.com.
It would be great if a panda could take me in and teach me things.
If a panda is willing to take me under their wing my Aim is - paralaxshifter and my email is - psiRenny@aol.com (Nope I'm not using AOL + i have mIRC)
AAAAAARRRRRGGGHHHH-- dead <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
"oh my god jim we are on a hostile world!" <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
email
capt.raffo@email.it
If I remember to sign in to msn, I should get any e-mails sent to this address:
col_t13@hotmail.com
MSN: KBTKaiser@hotmail.com
AIM: Aznshk85
Yahoo: KBTKaiser@yahoo.com
Email is preferable.
You suck!
Burstaholic
jane smells good tho =o <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
-Impy *squeak* <!--emo&::lerk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
impy's hitting on jane
w00t w00t
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sarcasism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol
Meh, I fair damn good to damn sucky depending on teams, map, server, and whatever, but how do you improve somebody at NS besides teaching them that +attack is really the only command you need along with +use? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I understand Com'ing, but nothing works all the time and other people may not like what you are doing (had this problem many times, even though it led to victory 3 times in a row when two other ppl have done it.) Oh well.
Anyways, good luck to anybody who is using this hehe.
Also, thank you Jojo, for doing this... It's rather needed, and it's nice of you and the other pandas to step up and take the time. We love you! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Some people decide to set up something to help out people who feel they aren't as good at the game as they could be... Ands suddenly, they're all egotists who are going to teach these people loads of exploits?
I mean, come on... sometimes, people just do things to be nice, you know? These guys want to help the other players, and we should *appluad* them for that.
I'm an OK example; I know the inner workings of the game, I know what to do and not do in different situations, but I have a major weakness; I can't find my way anywhere by name, I need a waypoint or someone to follow. I need to work on that.
You fail to see how people can be taught to play better? Why dont you just go ask them....
In short, this isnt the place to post about childish grudges. You want to join and see for yourself or not?
Oh and Arawn, you forgot that perhaps they could help us by <i>watching our play tactics and pointing out what we are and are not doing</i>. I mean come on, when you write an english paper, do you not get it proof read? Perhaps twice or thrice? Input from minds other than your own helps you refine your technique. You don't claim to know everything, and neither do I, but I do know one thing, if you were to watch me play, you may know something that I do not, and vice versa, from there we would end up learning that much more, <i>that much faster</i>. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
And please, <b>please</b> don't block your text like that <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->, it makes it hard to read and it is doubtful you want people disrespecting your opinon any further due to something like that. Note however that I do not disrepect your opinion because you are entitled to it, but must you provoke others?
I'm not saying I dont like NS or Half-life, but you've got to admit the whole clan-scene is pretty damn trivial. The first time I heard that people actually made a career out of playing Counter-Strike and winning money I almost had a heart attack because it was so stupid. Clans are the same thing in NS on a smaller scale, I mean some of you are so proud of your clans to the brink of arrogance and you get this really grand image of yourself, but really it means nothing. You're nothing. Step back and look at yourself and your clan, there's nothing tangible about it, as far as everyone else in the world is concerned your clan doesn't exist, the only evidence of clans is a stupid tag, and anyone can wear one, anyone on a public server can just stick that into their name. Some of you really egotistical people have a WEBSITE for a clan that no one cares about except for you. The only traffic your website generates consists of your members and any "friends" you direct to it. Nobody cares. Take a look at who you are in the real world, I know some of you love to think you can substitute your accomplishments in clan matches for personal worth in the real world, but I'm sorry you just can't.
Edit: Man..I swear I was writing this post before I saw yours lol, I try to cut it into sections whenever I feel it's necessary..I don't understand why you all have such a hard time reading this, but obviously you do because you either didn't read my post or didn't understand it. I'm not saying this training program has no merit, initially I wanted to know how they intended to do it, but the fact that someone mentioned his clan uses exploits regularly didn't inspire my confidence. Anyway, it sort of turned into a flame on clans, which are a crock of sh1t by the way, oh well. --I usually read over my posts 2 or 3 times for content, and spelling etc. I have no problem reading it when it's all blocked..I'm also aware that I skip apostrophes sometimes, but it's such a pain so I don't bother. --Damn it, I keep having to edit this..I just wanted to thank you for such a civil response, here's a guideline to posting I just made up on the spot: Don't respond to someones post about veterans with "poor boy" when you ARE, in fact, a veteran. It makes you look like even more of an assh0le than me.
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There is really no need to <i>aggravate anyone</i>, because your initial question was reasonable, but by doing this, you make people view you with an unreasonable slant. I may not be doing so myself, but I am pretty sure others will.
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I have to admit this gave me a good laugh though.
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But if you <i>like</i> NS, why are you antagonizing its members. Just try the Panda's "training server" and see for yourself, if it is an utter lie then it is, if it is not then you may get something out of it.
Oh and about the block text, it is not that it is <i>that</i> hard to read, it is simply that it makes people less inclined to read it. Well my eyesight is not perfect so ok it is <b>not</b> so much fun to read your first two posts. Your reply to mine was fine.
I also felt the same way about clans, but what the hell, if they want to do as they do, I could care less. I might not outright <i>hate</i> clans, but the idea seemed silly to me when I first thought about it. Then I was offered the chance to be in one, and no, we are not gangs of street thugs that have the insatiable urge to grab our crotches and walk like we have a disorder of the unnameable variety. Simply put it was fun.<ul>
<li>It was fun when we got together online and talked, many a good discussion was born.
<li>It was fun when we played and helped each other learn things we would not have learned alone about the game.
<li>It was fun when we were respected. To a degree of course. Not a one of us claimed to be L337.
<li>It was fun to see comraderie in a game when before there existed none for any of us.
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Then the mod we played died. But I actually have memories, god bless my sappy soul, of playing with people I <b>have never seen, in a place that does not actually exist</b>. Do I deserve to be called an idiot and a fool because of nostalgia? Oh great, thanks for making me talk about it, now I am depressed.
My experience is, for example, that when you make a rule and enforce it moderately, people still tend to bend it a little and usually the rule was made with the intention that it would be the minimum acceptable behavior. If you set them to a higher standard and enforce it more vigorously, but of course it would still be bent a little, but by that time people will be behaving in a manner you wanted in the first place..
I'm not sure if that made sense. Here's a crappy example: No chewing gum in class, punishment is a 15 minute detention after school. Big deal. The purpose of this rule is to stop them from leaving wrappers/gum in the desks, if you say punishment is 1 week suspension, call to parents, and upon your return you have to scrub toilets for an additional week almost NO ONE is going to be leaving wrappers in that desk, I assure you. People might still chew gum but they will definitely take the wrapper/gum with them, thus the desired goal is accomplished and you aren't being overly harsh, because they can still do what they want, chew gum, but you get what you want, no wrappers/gum in the desks. Damn, I don't know if that sucks, let me know and I can edit it.
By the same token, if I politely say that only some clan members are like this, my post will be wholly ignored, this way people are listening to me, really only some people take it to that extreme, but that guy just p1ssed me off too. If I make this issue look really ugly, they'll respond, but not in the way I have outlined, and maybe (I don't have this much optimism really) change enough for my comfort. If I said only a few people were just a *little* bit out of line then everyone would go "Oh, I'm not like that, besides what he's talking about isn't really a big deal." Do you see what I'm saying? I just ruined it, but people would be thinking "Oh, other people think I'm like that." and possibly be more self-conscious. Blah I'm tired.
Jojoshua is providing a service to people who want it. If you don't want it, don't reply in here knocking his free service.
I personally am glad such a thing is being offered, as often there are people who seek to play at a different level of play than just pubs but have no direction in how to accomplish that.
Jojoshua isn't taking pubbers under his wing and turning them into arrogant clanners. He's taking clanners under his wing and making them better clanners and better players. These are people who want to try a different style of play and are accepting of the fact that the style exists.
And please, do not assume that people who have played the game since day 1 know everything there is to know about the game. There's always somebody better out there.