Orson Scott Card On Music Piracy/sharing

MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
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<div class="IPBDescription">Finally, a well-written article</div> <a href='http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2003-09-07-1.html' target='_blank'>http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2003...03-09-07-1.html</a>

A very well written article; far better than most web-page 'journalists' can usually muster...
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  • p4Samwisep4Samwise Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10831Members
    Wow - he said what I would have said if I were a better writer and had more knowledge about the history of copyright law. This reaffirms his status as one of my favorite authors.
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  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    OSC just 0wn3d the RIAA and all their legal crap.


    Thank ya much MonsE for pointing out that article.
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  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    ooh

    that article is great

    absolutely love it

    much of the music I listen to comes from friends who download it, and then if I like the songs I support the authors, the record industty are getting far to overzealous about the people swapping songs

    I can't wait to read the next article, please keep up informed on this <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    I don't think he really 'owned' anyone. He just explained the situation better. He never stated that what the people were doing was good, just that what the music industry said it was doing to them was less than honest. However, it doesn't make it right for people to steal, and I think he made that pretty clear as well.
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  • Josiah_BartletJosiah_Bartlet Join Date: 2002-07-04 Member: 880Members, Constellation
    An extremly well written article.

    <!--QuoteBegin--SmokeNova+Sep 17 2003, 06:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SmokeNova @ Sep 17 2003, 06:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->OSC just 0wn3d the RIAA and all their legal crap.
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    Wouldn't go that far, I'm pretty sure the RIAA have some extremly well paid lawyers, who know more about this then I, who would disagree with you.
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  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    Come on, the man just put the RIAA's entire problem down in a small nutshell. They expect to keep the same profits year after year after year, so now they just want someone to pin the blame on when it fails. How can you NOT say he 0wn3d them? (Bear in mind I'm talking about him showing them up)
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  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    How very true that all was.
    I want to read Part 2 when it comes out.
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  • Josiah_BartletJosiah_Bartlet Join Date: 2002-07-04 Member: 880Members, Constellation
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--SmokeNova+Sep 17 2003, 06:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SmokeNova @ Sep 17 2003, 06:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Come on, the man just put the RIAA's entire problem down in a small nutshell.  They expect to keep the same profits year after year after year, so now they just want someone to pin the blame on when it fails.  How can you NOT say he 0wn3d them? (Bear in mind I'm talking about him showing them up) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I thought it was quite obvious that the record industry was just using the Internet as a scape goat.

    The RIAA will not be able to cut off file-sharing all together, so they can just continue to blame it for whatever happens to their profits.

    They take legal action against some of the file-sharers, those whos cases the RIAA can win and win resoundingly.

    They say "Hurrah, we are great and we're going to clamp down on this even more and save our artists who are losing money" and then it just goes on and on, with either:

    - Profits still going down - "Those filesharers are still around - we shall make more examples"

    - Profits go up/level off - "Hurrah! We scared those filesharers and saved money for our artists, but we must keep a watchful eye on them"

    Its all a case of PR and politics - at least that is the way I see it.
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  • DreadDread Join Date: 2002-07-24 Member: 993Members
    That gave a lot of new information. Now I know why record companies are teh evil <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited September 2003
    Orson Scott Card just "ended" the RIAA...hehe...heh...eh...sorry....

    He's right about them targetign the younger demographic though, I never unerstood why music industry always tenders to the teens. Even though they are impulsive they inherintly have less money than adults don't they? Well whatever, he's 100% right and the RIAA are greedy pigs, and I'm going to start mass downloading music just because of all this crap.
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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Sep 17 2003, 03:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Sep 17 2003, 03:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Orson Scott Card just "ended" the RIAA...hehe...heh...eh...sorry.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Very punny.

    The RIAA's gate is down?

    <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    And the ISP's and US Senate has started getting involved also. Rather suprisingly, the charge against the RIAA has been lead by a couple of Republican senators...

    <a href='http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/17/technology/17SWAP.html' target='_blank'>Verizon Challenges RIAA subpoenas</a>

    <a href='http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,60461,00.html' target='_blank'>Senators introduce legislation to weaken RIAA tactics</a>

    <a href='http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/16/business/media/16SWAP.html?pagewanted=all' target='_blank'>SBC Communications tells RIAA to quote, 'Go **** yourself'</a>
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  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited September 2003
    Also I've done some reading into these lawsuits and it turns out they sue based on how many songs you have "ready for upload" so basically anything you put into p2p programs upload folder would be cause for a lawsuit, despite the fact that not everything in there is downloaded.

    My question is how do they sue people without physical evidence? Until there is a burned copy of a CD all the songs are just very temporary files on a computer, and correct me if I'm wrong they still have to prove these cases in court right?
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  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Sep 18 2003, 03:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Sep 18 2003, 03:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Sep 17 2003, 03:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Sep 17 2003, 03:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Orson Scott Card just "ended" the RIAA...hehe...heh...eh...sorry.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Very punny.

    The RIAA's gate is down?

    <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lol.

    ...

    Good article <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • lilbadwolflilbadwolf Join Date: 2003-01-21 Member: 12542Members
    w0rd!
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