So Comm Was Unresponsive For Three Minutes And...
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Join Date: 2003-09-14 Member: 20847Members
Join Date: 2003-09-14 Member: 20847Members
<div class="IPBDescription">...I initiated a eject on the comm</div> This was right at the beginning of the game, the entire rine team was waiting in hera reception for comm to cap rt there. Everyone said comm drop rt. Nothing, keeps plugging away stuff in base when no one is even there to build. Eventually we see aliens gaining rez all over the map in that brief three minutes. I initiate vote kick. It fails. (Mind you, time is ticking, nothing is being built comm is also unresponsive)
I then recommend everyone just F4 as we were off to an awful start, and let's start anew with a comm that actually talks back or heck, even types the occasional "ok" so we know he is actually there.
I hit my F4 key. No one follows.
I rejoin rines to tell everyone on rines to just F4 to start anew. Admin initiates votekick of ME(he was alien), and 1 minute later.
You have been kicked by console.
That really made my day...sigh...it's why I hardly join rines anymore, your fate lies in the hands of a total stranger.
And yes, I do comm every now and again and I would say I have a roughly 50% W/L ratio, which to me, on pubs ain't bad. I just don't want to comm every game. So I occasionaly take up the fight for rines by going comm. I took the time to learn the ins and outs.
I don't know whether to be more upset at the admin who initiated the votekick...or the players that actually voted me off...
I then recommend everyone just F4 as we were off to an awful start, and let's start anew with a comm that actually talks back or heck, even types the occasional "ok" so we know he is actually there.
I hit my F4 key. No one follows.
I rejoin rines to tell everyone on rines to just F4 to start anew. Admin initiates votekick of ME(he was alien), and 1 minute later.
You have been kicked by console.
That really made my day...sigh...it's why I hardly join rines anymore, your fate lies in the hands of a total stranger.
And yes, I do comm every now and again and I would say I have a roughly 50% W/L ratio, which to me, on pubs ain't bad. I just don't want to comm every game. So I occasionaly take up the fight for rines by going comm. I took the time to learn the ins and outs.
I don't know whether to be more upset at the admin who initiated the votekick...or the players that actually voted me off...
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All i could recommend is either u take it in ya stride as you was only kicked not banned or goto the website of the server and lodge a complait.
Also people prefer to push the button 1 for kick and not 2 as they feel that by pressing the number 1 they are somehow better then the number 2.
Dont take it personally, its only a game.
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Did not notice your post count, welcome to the forums hope you like it here.
PS. dont ever ever ever ever mention hovaring scorpians or lorks <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
You had a number of options:
speak to the admin
join aliens
and finally, find a new server.
All in all - sorry you were not enjoying the game - but that doesn't give you the right to try and spoil it for everyone else - next time - i'd suggest just leaving and finding somewhere different to play.
Sarcasm, right?
If a commander is being stupid/lame/not listening to his team despite being really new, and you ask the rest of the team to F4 so you can play a real game, you're being a lamer yourself?
Sarcasm, right?
If a commander is being stupid/lame/not listening to his team despite being really new, and you ask the rest of the team to F4 so you can play a real game, you're being a lamer yourself? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, in this situation the marines should have just said "come on aliens, finish this, we're done", F4ing IS very lame.
Sarcasm, right?
If a commander is being stupid/lame/not listening to his team despite being really new, and you ask the rest of the team to F4 so you can play a real game, you're being a lamer yourself? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes you are. I have won several "failure games" with a succesfull jp sg rush.
Sarcasm, right?
If a commander is being stupid/lame/not listening to his team despite being really new, and you ask the rest of the team to F4 so you can play a real game, you're being a lamer yourself? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes you are. I have won several "failure games" with a succesfull jp sg rush. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If this is true you really have no idea of what a failed game is...for once...how do you get sufficient JPs and SGs with 1 RT?
Sarcasm, right?
If a commander is being stupid/lame/not listening to his team despite being really new, and you ask the rest of the team to F4 so you can play a real game, you're being a lamer yourself? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes you are. I have won several "failure games" with a succesfull jp sg rush. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If this is true you really have no idea of what a failed game is...for once...how do you get sufficient JPs and SGs with 1 RT? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You can actually, even with teh starting res. You basicly have to sell everything...
But it's one of those everything or nothing tactics, and some servers don't like them.
Three minutes in the beginning is an eternity.
This is true especially for marines and when you realise that the game is tactically lost (that t-word excluding said rushes), what can you do?
NS honor code states that you may never F4 or sell IPs and leaving a game while you are losing will make everyone look at you as if you were a leper. So you basically have to sit and wait until aliens get three hives unimpeded and get stomped by onos (marines get stomped, not the aliens).
If I am an alien I want to fight against equal opponents. What is the point in biting a sandbag? If I want to do that I'll just download some bots.
F4ing when you are in the last minutes of an epic battle is just lame, but trying to restart a lost cause isn't.
That's just my sound opinion.
Just a note.
Restart a lost cause does not mean giving up as soon as you are at a disadvantage.
3 Minutes of NO comm activity is, assuming aliens that have at least a small amount of skill in the game, game over. Why would anyone want to continue with that game when they could start over? It's not lame... it's starting over.
The problem here is, I think, there's no real alien analogy. No single alien could concievably completely ruin the game for the rest. (And no, building a certain chamber type at start without consulting doesn't count as ruining the game. Learn to adapt.) A none-responsive comm does. People can jump on F4ing in that circumstance, without realising that it is, effectively, a marine-only problem, and hence, a rather large imbalance. F4ing in that situation is, as I said, warranted.
I have ended a few games F4ing because teams have just been on the edge, say 8v5 so if some one on the 5 team leaves it ends. I just think its pointless to continue a game like that.
Can some one explain how F4ing is lame.
NS IS A GAME
If you don't have a commander you CANNOT win.
If you CANNOT win its not much of a game, for either side
If I was an admin on that server, I'd kick the comm for letting the side down so badly, and maybe give Prefab a medal for actually trying to sort out the situation
*growl*
Or /exit or /quit. To hell with the "honor code."
Sarcasm, right?
If a commander is being stupid/lame/not listening to his team despite being really new, and you ask the rest of the team to F4 so you can play a real game, you're being a lamer yourself? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes you are. I have won several "failure games" with a succesfull jp sg rush. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are sooooo right! All you need to do to win a failure game is kick the current commander and get someone competitent to take over.
OSHIWAIT!!!
F4ing is a fair tactic if your team is not able to kick them. Commanders like this should be i-banned and e-shot in the inter-head. <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
So imagine you join marines. The teams are 6 vs 7, lets say. Someone hops into comm chair and drops 5 comm chairs and hops back out. So according to the 'NS honor code,' you are expected to stay there while aliens get 3 hives and all the resources only to fight a losing battle. I DON'T think it is so unreasonable to F4 in such a situation. I mean hell, it isn't like you could switch teams. Your only option would be to switch servers. Perhaps instead of leaving the game and causing aliens to win due to uneven teams anyway, why not just F4. If it helps to pretend you left the server only to find a new server which happened to be the same one, then think that.
BTW, i wouldve just spectated until the marines lost miserably.
Some ppl can hav fun without winning. Just because you <b>cant</b> doesnt mean you mean should spoil it for others.
Or you could have joined the aliens.
Btw , i hate going on a marine team with a newb comm too, but instead of getting everyone to f4, i just leave.
Some ppl can hav fun without winning. Just because you <b>cant</b> doesnt mean you mean should spoil it for others.
Or you could have joined the aliens.
Btw , i hate going on a marine team with a newb comm too, but instead of getting everyone to f4, i just leave. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Can people have fun with an AFK commander too?
I'm pretty sure the popel that think F4 is "lame" are the ones who think the highlight of NS is to wait at the IP for someone to spawn and eat them, for 20 minutes, instead of finishing it.
Some ppl can hav fun without winning. Just because you <b>cant</b> doesnt mean you mean should spoil it for others.
Or you could have joined the aliens.
Btw , i hate going on a marine team with a newb comm too, but instead of getting everyone to f4, i just leave. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The server had a fair amount of ppl on it, and it was late at night and not too many servers with activity.
I can have fun without winning, but not without a comm! Couldn't join aliens either, they were already up a player, and why would I want to? No challenge in destroying a crippled marine team.
I'd really like to point out that the game was only five minutes in. It's not like our comm went afk 30-40 minutes into the game. As an experienced NS player, I know how critical the first five minutes in a game is. I knew the odds of wining were slim to none. I tried kicking the comm, the vote failed. Not much left to do at that point then suggesting an F4.
Then again, the more I think about it, the marines didn't even kick the comm when I hit my eject commander key. It was a lost cause from the start. Oh well.
Last night I was in a game that started as 2 on 5, asked people to switched teams, when the other team just laughed at us I F4ed and the game ended I feel things like that are justified. If the game gets so stacked that its no fun, go ahead F4.
However F4 to avoid getting eaten by an onos or to do the res exploit and such are misuses of F4ing,
I can lose and have fun with it but sometimes times the teams are unfair so i hit F4.
Then head over to your server browser of choice and find a new game. If anything you'll have a totaly new team and new chance to see what they can do. F4'ing just to end the game early, because of a bad comm means you don't want to stick it out and see what happens, so just quit.
But its not an awesome win if its 8v5, or 10v6, or whatever. One team is going to get decimated unless the team with the numerical advantage are a bunch of utter muppets, which is rarely.