Whats The Point

kidakida Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13778Members
<div class="IPBDescription">if you can only play hl2 with 10fps?</div> I read the gamespot article on benchmarks they did on different setups for hl2 and with a geforce fx5900 p42.8mhz top of the line computer, it got 30 fps. Now with my geforce 4 and etc, I will most likely get 4-10 fps. So unless I turn down the graphics until they look like the origional halflife, my comp won't run it. Plus I got no money to buy a 570 dollar Radeon 9800 and upgrade my computer....Again....

BTW, are they going to release the source for hl? That would be pretty sweet.
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  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    You'll get more than that, Gamespot doesn't know **** about HL2.
  • ViolenceJackViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members
    U know the benchmarks usualy mean every setting is put as high as it will go unless stated otherwise. U know when u play a game and u set the resolution, gfx details and switch certain things off and on. If it was stuck like that and a GFX5900 ran at 30fps and the minimum req is like a tnt2 what would the tnt2 run like, u prob be lucky to get a frame an hour.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    I get the feeling those of us with medium/good range PCs will be **** over. Those of you with 1500+dollar machines are lucky.
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    Remeber that "minimum" requirements are quite different from "recommended" requirements.

    C&C generals for example; runs ok-ish on my 1.5. Supposedly it can run on an 800mhz, that's the minimum requirement.

    So, for a laugth (yes, I was bored), I tried it on my mum's computer, an 800mhz.

    Apparently "minimum" means "this speed of processor won't run the game playably, but probably won't cause the machine to explode in protest, so we'll call it the minimum".
  • ViolenceJackViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members
    considering the minimum req some one who paid 10 pence for there comp will be able to run it.

    i always thought minimum was if u put all settings too the lowest its gonner run but its not gonner be fun.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nil_IQ+Sep 13 2003, 11:19 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Sep 13 2003, 11:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[...]Apparently "minimum" means "this speed of processor won't run the game playably, but probably won't cause the machine to explode in protest, so we'll call it the minimum".<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's the meaning of <b>minimum</b>. Minimum requirements mean that it won't run on a machine any worse than this. Meaning that if you run it on a machine that only fulfills the minimum requirements, you're going to get the worst possible performance.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Actually, $570 is the price on the GFFX5900 Ultra. The R9800 Pro is $400, standard retail. With the trade-up, that drops to $350.

    I know it isn't an option for most to swap video cards, but $350 is a far cry from the $570 part (which doesn't even have actual pixel shader 2.0 support... just PS1.4, emulating 2.0) quoted before.

    And don't worry. nVidia will be certain to release a new driver revision that will speed things up... one way or another.
  • Owen1Owen1 Join Date: 2003-04-13 Member: 15457Members
    umm ur gonna get lots of advancements with hl2 even on a crappeh comp. framerate for u should prob be about 25 to 28 fps
  • Duo_MaxwellDuo_Maxwell Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4631Members
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--kida+Sep 13 2003, 08:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kida @ Sep 13 2003, 08:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I read the gamespot article on benchmarks they did on different setups for hl2 and with a geforce fx5900 p42.8mhz top of the line computer, it got 30 fps. Now with my geforce 4 and etc, I will most likely get 4-10 fps. So unless I turn down the graphics until they look like the origional halflife, my comp won't run it. Plus I got no money to buy a 570 dollar Radeon 9800 and upgrade my computer....Again....

    BTW, are they going to release the source for hl? That would be pretty sweet. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Keep in mind, Gamespot knows **** about games.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    300 cheap for a video card, laff. Thats not an option for a lot of people
  • Bosnian_CowboyBosnian_Cowboy Join Date: 2003-06-07 Member: 17088Members, Constellation
    That's on Direct X 9.0 settings (which GeForce with its current drivers isn't equipped to handle) and everything else to the maximum. You guys are just having the pre-release jitters, don't worry about it.
  • JefeJefe Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15734Members, Constellation
    I'm gonna be screwed, I have a 32 mb video card D:
  • VacoVaco Join Date: 2003-09-09 Member: 20699Members
    Get a 9600. It runs HL2 about the same fps as a 5900
  • ViolenceJackViolenceJack Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5624Members
    there was a screen shot of the difference between dx9 and dx8.1 in HL2 on benchmark software or somin. the only difference i could see was the water reflected abit better. really i couldnt give a monkeys. that extract reflectiveness probably costs u like 30fps. i think ill have it off.
  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    From what I've heard, Source is one of the most scalable engines ever.

    Those benchmarks were no doubt taken at maximum <i>everything</i>, so you're going to do better than what they say.
  • TeflonTeflon Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20289Members
    nVidia released an announcement saying that the benchmarks were bogus and were performed with an nVidia card, but used the ATI optimized graphics code. And since both cards run differently, the card that's MADE to work with the chosen optimization will NATURALLY outperform the other. They said you'd get opposite readings if you used an ATI card with nVidia optimized code. (Yes, HL2 does have nVidia optimization)
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    they also called it bogus because their hl2 specific driver wasn't out in time.... I'm glad though, because now they can't run the benchmark with it and then hide it, they're forced to make a real one that will run everything, and not JUST hl2
  • monkeymastermonkeymaster Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13771Members
    edited September 2003
    CRAP!, im only a tafe student, and i cant afford ANOTHER upgrade!.

    Before:
    900mhz duron
    gf4mx440
    256mb sd ram

    Now:
    amd athlon xp 2000+
    gf fx 5600 128mb ddr myvivo ( FREEKIN COST ME 400$!!!!!~~ )
    512mb ddr ram

    will my new system run hl2 good ? ?? if not then im not gonna upgrade, i dont think its worth spending so much money for a game.

    the only reason i upgraded is because i rip dvd movies and my iolder system was way to slow for that.
  • sk84zer0sk84zer0 Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17478Members
    I dont have a good graphics card and i get a constant 100 fps, my card is a 64mb GeForce 4 MX 440
  • FinaFina Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3267Members
    From what I've heard, PC's with Geforce4 Ti class cards and 1-2ghz processors's should be able to run HL2 fine in DX8 mode. Runs better than a FX 5900 in DX9 mode, I believe.

    We'll just have to wait and see to be sure.
  • TeflonTeflon Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20289Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Fina+Sep 14 2003, 03:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fina @ Sep 14 2003, 03:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> From what I've heard, PC's with Geforce4 Ti class cards and 1-2ghz processors's should be able to run HL2 fine in DX8 mode. Runs better than a FX 5900 in DX9 mode, I believe.

    We'll just have to wait and see to be sure. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Which is good news for me.

    But...

    My GF4 is having some WIERD problems. I fear it may have been fried somehow.

    Basically, running high-graphics things for an extended time will cause a spontaneous reboot of my system. Which is strange because my temps are reading well below 120 degrees, and I have 7 fans in my system, and I'm not overclocked at all.

    Running VERY graphic-intensive things causes the gameplay to freeze every few seconds like it's 'reprocessing textures' or something.

    Doing something that quickly changes to high-graphics (minimizing NS and going back) stands a good chance of a hard reboot.

    I put a PCI fan under it and it's sucking a lot of hot air out, and the wierd 'gameplay freezes' largely quit. I think the card itself is starting to die <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • criticaIcriticaI Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15269Banned, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--kida+Sep 13 2003, 04:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kida @ Sep 13 2003, 04:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I read the gamespot article on benchmarks they did on different setups for hl2 and with a geforce fx5900 p42.8mhz top of the line computer, it got 30 fps. Now with my geforce 4 and etc, I will most likely get 4-10 fps. So unless I turn down the graphics until they look like the origional halflife, my comp won't run it. Plus I got no money to buy a 570 dollar Radeon 9800 and upgrade my computer....Again....

    BTW, are they going to release the source for hl? That would be pretty sweet. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Get a job and buy some new equiptment.

    HL2 isn't a right, its a privelege and if you want it you might actually HAVE TO DO SOME WORK oh my.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    Yeah it sure is a priveledge that software companys intentionally require expensive hardware(unlike HL2) to make a quick buck. (EA for example)
  • NecroNecro &lt;insert non-birthday-related title here&gt; Join Date: 2002-08-09 Member: 1118Members
    first of all the gf4ti4600 got 40fps on dx8, gf fx got worse cause it sucks monkey balls.

    also those with full detail. you can lower it.
  • ViPrViPr Resident naysayer Join Date: 2002-10-17 Member: 1515Members
    i think Valve decided not to use those new Nvidia drivers coz they thought Nvidia was cheating because they saw that fog was disabled to increase frame rates, but Nvidia said that was a bug and not a deliberate cheat. anyway from what i understand Nvidia is going to go to work on getting directx9 mode to be playable by using some other cheats like lowering the precision of some calculations. i think that is considered cheating anyway, and i'm not sure if ATI has already done something like that to get their good frame rates. Anyway we should all wait for some new drivers to test frame rates and we should pay attention to the visual quality as well. Nvidia seemed to claim that some of the optimizations were not cheats. i don't have much faith in them though.

    out of curiosity did Nvidia's stock go way down after Valve's presentation?
  • NessNess Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10935Members, Reinforced - Onos
    <!--QuoteBegin--cri.tical+Sep 14 2003, 04:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cri.tical @ Sep 14 2003, 04:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--kida+Sep 13 2003, 04:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kida @ Sep 13 2003, 04:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I read the gamespot article on benchmarks they did on different setups for hl2 and with a geforce fx5900 p42.8mhz top of the line computer, it got 30 fps. Now with my geforce 4 and etc, I will most likely get 4-10 fps. So unless I turn down the graphics until they look like the origional halflife, my comp won't run it. Plus I got no money to buy a 570 dollar Radeon 9800 and upgrade my computer....Again....

    BTW, are they going to release the source for hl? That would be pretty sweet. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Get a job and buy some new equiptment.

    HL2 isn't a right, its a privelege and if you want it you might actually HAVE TO DO SOME WORK oh my. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Silly me, I was always under the illusion that going out and purchasing a game gave you the right to play it. I have absolutely no problem with people getting jittery over a game that they have been waiting for, and for a long time at that. If I go out and purchase a game, I goddamned well better be getting what they tell me I'm going to get. In that case, accurate benchmarks, without a bunch of underhanded sneaky crap, would be nice.
  • SkulkBaitSkulkBait Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ness-Earthbound+Sep 14 2003, 12:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ness-Earthbound @ Sep 14 2003, 12:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Silly me, I was always under the illusion that going out and purchasing a game gave you the right to play it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Obviously you've never heard of the DMCA <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin--Duff-Man+Sep 13 2003, 10:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Duff-Man @ Sep 13 2003, 10:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> From what I've heard, Source is one of the most scalable engines ever.

    Those benchmarks were no doubt taken at maximum <i>everything</i>, so you're going to do better than what they say. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Listen to Duff-Man! He is correct! You don't have to upgrade your 2.8ghz system w/ GF4 just because Valve says "jump"
  • TenSixTenSix Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7932Members
    Always fun watching another endless game of <b>Jump To Conclusions!</b>

    /Office Space = win
  • absenticabsentic Join Date: 2003-09-03 Member: 20517Banned
    edited September 2003
    Everyone mouthing off about "cheap" $400 3d cards please realize that not everyone has their mother and father paying for their hardware. Thank you.
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