<!--QuoteBegin--Drewbar99+Sep 15 2003, 06:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Drewbar99 @ Sep 15 2003, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What program do u use to make the models?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i used milkshape and maya... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Sep 16 2003, 12:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Sep 16 2003, 12:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Acid-Snake+Sep 16 2003, 02:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Acid-Snake @ Sep 16 2003, 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here we go...tha .45 mag...it holds 11 rounds, staggered... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> damn that must be a thickass grip.
uh, dewd... it looks like there is absolutely NO frame room for the gun, with the mag that deep. you know you just overlooked it ^_^ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> what in tha world are you talking about?
i gotta know..how much do you actually know about guns?
this magazine is waaayyy to long.... actually pistol magazines ending right under the slider and sticking some milimeters out of the frame..
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=33220&hl=pistol&st=0' target='_blank'>how a pistol reloads...</a> ive explained it often.... but again... the ammo is gettin reloadet from below in a low upward angle..when the slider is closed,he is right over the next bullet....when the slider gets back,he extracts the bullet from the chamber...the slider moves forward again,and push with a pin the next round out of the magazine ,in a vertical direction up, into the chamber... your magazine is way to long..the slider would crash into the magazine.. and he would not be able to close the chamber..
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<!--QuoteBegin--sheena yanai+Sep 16 2003, 06:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Sep 16 2003, 06:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> this magazine is waaayyy to long.... actually pistol magazines ending right under the slider and sticking some milimeters out of the frame..
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=33220&hl=pistol&st=0' target='_blank'>how a pistol reloads...</a> ive explained it often.... but again... the ammo is gettin reloadet from below in a low upward angle..when the slider is closed,he is right over the next bullet....when the slider gets back,he extracts the bullet from the chamber...the slider moves forward again,and push with a pin the next round out of the magazine ,in a vertical direction up, into the chamber... your magazine is way to long..the slider would crash into the magazine.. and he would not be able to close the chamber.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> it's okay, sheena.
constructive criticism is constructive criticism. he tries to explain, but in the action of firing the gun, the rounds would catch on each other from the pressure of the magazine spring. ^_^
i'll give this concept a go <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
me = jin-roh btw, bringer of terrible and awe-inspiring pwnification. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh jesus christ....
so you had me on that debate....when it comes to most other gun-related topics, ESPECIALLY HANDGUNS, you're not gonna win...
I like AR's, and heavy weapons, but handguns are definatly my strong suit...
<!--QuoteBegin--sheena yanai+Sep 16 2003, 01:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Sep 16 2003, 01:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> this magazine is waaayyy to long.... actually pistol magazines ending right under the slider and sticking some milimeters out of the frame..
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=33220&hl=pistol&st=0' target='_blank'>how a pistol reloads...</a> ive explained it often.... but again... the ammo is gettin reloadet from below in a low upward angle..when the slider is closed,he is right over the next bullet....when the slider gets back,he extracts the bullet from the chamber...the slider moves forward again,and push with a pin the next round out of the magazine ,in a vertical direction up, into the chamber... your magazine is way to long..the slider would crash into the magazine.. and he would not be able to close the chamber.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> it's internals are a lot different...tha slide still ejects tha spent casing, and causes tha next round to be loaded...it just works a little different....
tha Sci-Fi universe this gun comes from is several hundred years in tha future....so i designed appropriately...
additionally, if you didn't notice, it's magazine capacity is one round less than tha H&K Mk.23...and that's tha military model magazine, not that **** post-ban civilian crap...and since tha Mk.23, and this pistol are roughly tha same size, maybe you wanna explain that one to me?
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<!--QuoteBegin--Acid-Snake+Sep 17 2003, 01:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Acid-Snake @ Sep 17 2003, 01:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Sep 16 2003, 01:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Sep 16 2003, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>dum dadaDAAA!</b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yes, i'm well aware of that...that's tha way i designed it...tha round is lined up with tha barrel/chamber....
though, initially, this pistol had been designed to use both .45ACP, and .45 Caseless....but tha caseless was scrapped, because of design issues.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> there's not even a millimeter of frame space for the rear of the magazine, silly.
<!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Sep 16 2003, 10:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Sep 16 2003, 10:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Acid-Snake+Sep 17 2003, 01:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Acid-Snake @ Sep 17 2003, 01:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Sep 16 2003, 01:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Sep 16 2003, 01:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>dum dadaDAAA!</b> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yes, i'm well aware of that...that's tha way i designed it...tha round is lined up with tha barrel/chamber....
though, initially, this pistol had been designed to use both .45ACP, and .45 Caseless....but tha caseless was scrapped, because of design issues.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> there's not even a millimeter of frame space for the rear of the magazine, silly. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ::sigh:: unless you want to be more specific, shut up...
i'm tired of your vague one-liners...if you're gonna gripe, gripe in an intelligent fashion, KTHX! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
your a little bit ignorant dood... some ppls want to explain you something,teahc you something...but nooohooo.. you keep hardbitten.... you even ignore some important physical laws <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> yeah.. zero is right...theres not a milimeter space...a configuration like you have drawed it cant work,because theres not even space to extract the empty round out of the chamber... the slider would go back and crash into your way to long magazine... you want more specific description?... omg...better dont ask for it..... heres a little diagram how it should be ( ive not fixed the grip...to lazy...)
<!--QuoteBegin--sheena yanai+Sep 16 2003, 11:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Sep 16 2003, 11:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> your a little bit ignorant dood... some ppls want to explain you something,teahc you something...but nooohooo.. you keep hardbitten.... you even ignore some important physical laws <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> yeah.. zero is right...theres not a milimeter space...a configuration like you have drawed it cant work,because theres not even space to extract the empty round out of the chamber... the slider would go back and crash into your way to long magazine... you want more specific description?... omg...better dont ask for it..... heres a little diagram how it should be ( ive not fixed the grip...to lazy...) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks for that..
i'm not ignorant, and i'm not hardbitten...i just don't like it when people are vague about things...
now then, your diagram is correct, if tha internals are idential to a current gun...but this is a few hundred years in tha future....and tha mag is not a solid piece at tha top...it's hollow...
i guess it's time to draw up NEW diagrams...::sigh::
Laws of physics apply in the future as well <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time. Even in 2172 <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
though, initially, this pistol had been designed to use both .45ACP, and .45 Caseless....but tha caseless was scrapped, because of design issues.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> there's not even a millimeter of frame space for the rear of the magazine, silly. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ::sigh:: unless you want to be more specific, shut up...
i'm tired of your vague one-liners...if you're gonna gripe, gripe in an intelligent fashion, KTHX! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i use one liners because i figure you might understand.
here's the picture, made huge so you can see.
<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'><b>NO FRAME SPACE AT THE REAR.</b> </span>(bold text helps. just not Size 7... ~delarosa)
seee? ^_^ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yes i see it, smart-***....
it's a low-res-diagram, not that it really matters...in real life, it'd be resting right up against the inside of the grip....pretty much that close...
when i did tha diagram for tha mag, i had to make sure it was still within tha footprint of tha grip...it is...so there's no problem....
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<!--QuoteBegin--nthngnsd+Sep 17 2003, 12:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nthngnsd @ Sep 17 2003, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> stop flaming pls - all of u aint leading to anywhere
and it's just a concept, so dont cry cuz of small details like that as long as it looks cool ingame no1 cares anyway <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i know, it's just hilarious. ^,..,^
sorry for givin ya a hard time, bud. XD
and i think you PMd me a long time ago about you not being my "bud"...
<!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Sep 17 2003, 06:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Sep 17 2003, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--nthngnsd+Sep 17 2003, 12:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nthngnsd @ Sep 17 2003, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> stop flaming pls - all of u aint leading to anywhere
and it's just a concept, so dont cry cuz of small details like that as long as it looks cool ingame no1 cares anyway <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i know, it's just hilarious. ^,..,^
sorry for givin ya a hard time, bud. XD
and i think you PMd me a long time ago about you not being my "bud"...
well you're officially promoted to "bud" status. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> are you talking to him or me?
<!--QuoteBegin--nthngnsd+Sep 18 2003, 12:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nthngnsd @ Sep 18 2003, 12:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i believe he's talking to u since i've never sent any pm to him <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ::shrug:: alright..
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i used milkshape and maya... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
damn that must be a thickass grip.
uh, dewd... it looks like there is absolutely NO frame room for the gun, with the mag that deep. you know you just overlooked it ^_^
damn that must be a thickass grip.
uh, dewd... it looks like there is absolutely NO frame room for the gun, with the mag that deep. you know you just overlooked it ^_^ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
what in tha world are you talking about?
i gotta know..how much do you actually know about guns?
me = jin-roh btw, bringer of terrible and awe-inspiring pwnification.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=33220&hl=pistol&st=0' target='_blank'>how a pistol reloads...</a> ive explained it often.... but again... the ammo is gettin reloadet from below in a low upward angle..when the slider is closed,he is right over the next bullet....when the slider gets back,he extracts the bullet from the chamber...the slider moves forward again,and push with a pin the next round out of the magazine ,in a vertical direction up, into the chamber... your magazine is way to long..the slider would crash into the magazine.. and he would not be able to close the chamber..
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=33220&hl=pistol&st=0' target='_blank'>how a pistol reloads...</a> ive explained it often.... but again... the ammo is gettin reloadet from below in a low upward angle..when the slider is closed,he is right over the next bullet....when the slider gets back,he extracts the bullet from the chamber...the slider moves forward again,and push with a pin the next round out of the magazine ,in a vertical direction up, into the chamber... your magazine is way to long..the slider would crash into the magazine.. and he would not be able to close the chamber.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
it's okay, sheena.
constructive criticism is constructive criticism. he tries to explain, but in the action of firing the gun, the rounds would catch on each other from the pressure of the magazine spring. ^_^
me = jin-roh btw, bringer of terrible and awe-inspiring pwnification. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh jesus christ....
so you had me on that debate....when it comes to most other gun-related topics, ESPECIALLY HANDGUNS, you're not gonna win...
I like AR's, and heavy weapons, but handguns are definatly my strong suit...
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=33220&hl=pistol&st=0' target='_blank'>how a pistol reloads...</a> ive explained it often.... but again... the ammo is gettin reloadet from below in a low upward angle..when the slider is closed,he is right over the next bullet....when the slider gets back,he extracts the bullet from the chamber...the slider moves forward again,and push with a pin the next round out of the magazine ,in a vertical direction up, into the chamber... your magazine is way to long..the slider would crash into the magazine.. and he would not be able to close the chamber.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
it's internals are a lot different...tha slide still ejects tha spent casing, and causes tha next round to be loaded...it just works a little different....
tha Sci-Fi universe this gun comes from is several hundred years in tha future....so i designed appropriately...
additionally, if you didn't notice, it's magazine capacity is one round less than tha H&K Mk.23...and that's tha military model magazine, not that **** post-ban civilian crap...and since tha Mk.23, and this pistol are roughly tha same size, maybe you wanna explain that one to me?
yes, i'm well aware of that...that's tha way i designed it...tha round is lined up with tha barrel/chamber....
though, initially, this pistol had been designed to use both .45ACP, and .45 Caseless....but tha caseless was scrapped, because of design issues..
yes, i'm well aware of that...that's tha way i designed it...tha round is lined up with tha barrel/chamber....
though, initially, this pistol had been designed to use both .45ACP, and .45 Caseless....but tha caseless was scrapped, because of design issues.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
there's not even a millimeter of frame space for the rear of the magazine, silly.
yes, i'm well aware of that...that's tha way i designed it...tha round is lined up with tha barrel/chamber....
though, initially, this pistol had been designed to use both .45ACP, and .45 Caseless....but tha caseless was scrapped, because of design issues.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
there's not even a millimeter of frame space for the rear of the magazine, silly. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
::sigh:: unless you want to be more specific, shut up...
i'm tired of your vague one-liners...if you're gonna gripe, gripe in an intelligent fashion, KTHX! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
yeah.. zero is right...theres not a milimeter space...a configuration like you have drawed it cant work,because theres not even space to extract the empty round out of the chamber... the slider would go back and crash into your way to long magazine... you want more specific description?... omg...better dont ask for it.....
heres a little diagram how it should be ( ive not fixed the grip...to lazy...)
yeah.. zero is right...theres not a milimeter space...a configuration like you have drawed it cant work,because theres not even space to extract the empty round out of the chamber... the slider would go back and crash into your way to long magazine... you want more specific description?... omg...better dont ask for it.....
heres a little diagram how it should be ( ive not fixed the grip...to lazy...) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks for that..
i'm not ignorant, and i'm not hardbitten...i just don't like it when people are vague about things...
now then, your diagram is correct, if tha internals are idential to a current gun...but this is a few hundred years in tha future....and tha mag is not a solid piece at tha top...it's hollow...
i guess it's time to draw up NEW diagrams...::sigh::
Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time. Even in 2172 <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
yes, i'm well aware of that...that's tha way i designed it...tha round is lined up with tha barrel/chamber....
though, initially, this pistol had been designed to use both .45ACP, and .45 Caseless....but tha caseless was scrapped, because of design issues.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
there's not even a millimeter of frame space for the rear of the magazine, silly. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
::sigh:: unless you want to be more specific, shut up...
i'm tired of your vague one-liners...if you're gonna gripe, gripe in an intelligent fashion, KTHX! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i use one liners because i figure you might understand.
here's the picture, made huge so you can see.
<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'><b>NO FRAME SPACE AT THE REAR.</b> </span>(bold text helps. just not Size 7... ~delarosa)
edit: 4?
up there!!
seee? ^_^
up there!!
seee? ^_^ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes i see it, smart-***....
it's a low-res-diagram, not that it really matters...in real life, it'd be resting right up against the inside of the grip....pretty much that close...
when i did tha diagram for tha mag, i had to make sure it was still within tha footprint of tha grip...it is...so there's no problem....
aint leading to anywhere
and it's just a concept, so dont cry cuz of small details like that
as long as it looks cool ingame no1 cares anyway
aint leading to anywhere
and it's just a concept, so dont cry cuz of small details like that
as long as it looks cool ingame no1 cares anyway <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i know, it's just hilarious. ^,..,^
sorry for givin ya a hard time, bud. XD
and i think you PMd me a long time ago about you not being my "bud"...
well you're officially promoted to "bud" status.
aint leading to anywhere
and it's just a concept, so dont cry cuz of small details like that
as long as it looks cool ingame no1 cares anyway <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i know, it's just hilarious. ^,..,^
sorry for givin ya a hard time, bud. XD
and i think you PMd me a long time ago about you not being my "bud"...
well you're officially promoted to "bud" status. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
are you talking to him or me?
::shrug:: alright..
edit: don't you just adore his painfully forced nonchalance?
edit: don't you just adore his painfully forced nonchalance? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
O,o
wasn't forced...
anyone wanna model these yet?