Steam About To Be Released.

CatpokerCatpoker Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 816Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Devs might want to take a look...</div> <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=79914' target='_blank'>Forum Link</a>

and a ways down he says:
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Originally posted by [pmers]BulliT
I tried to get my mod running (www.planethalflife.com/agmod) with steam but it kinda nukes on me - will there be an updated SDK available in a decent amount of time before this release?
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After we reset the beta we'll work with any MOD developers to make sure everything works in Steam. There isn't any reason why they shouldn't.

Things are going to change a bit after we reset the account database and release a new version of Steam, so try again then and then let me know if it's still not working.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

i just thought flayra and the dev team would like to see
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  • TwexTwex Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4999Members
    edited August 2003
    No more WonIDs?

    Good news for the banned cheaters.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What are the system requirements for Steam?

    Windows 98, ME, 2000 or XP
    500 MB HD space
    256 MB RAM
    1.0 Ghz processor
    1GB HD space (strongly recommended)
    Broadband Internet connection (128kb/s or higher strongly recommended)

    It is also recommended that Steam be installed on a hard disk formatted using NTFS. Fat32 drives will work, but performance will be slower.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And this is the bad news, I guess.
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    The processor speed is not a system requirement. Those are recommended system specs. I have seen many people run 500mhz machines fine with Steam.
  • Bosnian_CowboyBosnian_Cowboy Join Date: 2003-06-07 Member: 17088Members, Constellation
    You have to have a valid cd-key in order to have a steam account (you can play all titles that are currently on steam with one valid cd-key). So I don't see why hackers should be happy about this. I doubt you will be able to run multiple cd-keys as you could before.
  • TwexTwex Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4999Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So I don't see why hackers should be happy about this.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    All the old bans will be invalidated, that's why. General amnesty.
  • BOZOBOZO Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3973Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow
    Whats with the parlor games? Can you acctuly play chess and hearts after you die in CS while you wait for the next round to start? That would hilarious!
  • monkeymastermonkeymaster Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13771Members
    edited August 2003
    im not gonna bother reading this thread. all im going to say is, the worst thing gooseman ever done was releasing counter-strike to valve, wich then valve is now suplying threw steam. its the most pathetic program ever made, it needs to be shutdown NOW!. ns dev team, please DO NOT release ns threw steam, UNLESS you will have the updates available as normal downloads as they are now.

    steam sux and i hope someone hacks valve and destroyes all data that has anything to do with steam.
    ( even though that will never happen )

    eh? i can dream ey

    edit: if you like steam because of the chess and tetirs u play when your dead, then ive seen a couple of those around already. i cant remmember where they were, but i remmemberd a certain ogc had it in it, so if you know about coding just download that ogc and rip the game code out.
  • RoCkIn_RiCkYRoCkIn_RiCkY Join Date: 2003-08-28 Member: 20306Members
    Steam is awful. It did something like copy my entire Half Life file to another location taking up another gigabyte of my space (back then I only had a 10GB HD and had 1.4GB left), increased loading times, screwed up my binds, and the interface in game with CS 1.6 was just simply awful not to mention loads of lag. I hope NS doesn't change to it any time soon cos I won't be around to see it.
  • nthingnthing Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3091Members
    edited August 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--RoCkIn RiCkY+Aug 28 2003, 04:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RoCkIn RiCkY @ Aug 28 2003, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Steam is awful. It did something like copy my entire Half Life file to another location taking up another gigabyte of my space (back then I only had a 10GB HD and had 1.4GB left), increased loading times, screwed up my binds, and the interface in game with CS 1.6 was just simply awful not to mention loads of lag. I hope NS doesn't change to it any time soon cos I won't be around to see it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It's beta software. 'Nuff said.

    <b>EDIT:</b> Removed link, as there is already one at the top <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Oops...
  • PoofatPoofat Join Date: 2003-06-17 Member: 17434Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--RoCkIn RiCkY+Aug 28 2003, 11:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RoCkIn RiCkY @ Aug 28 2003, 11:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Steam is awful. It did something like copy my entire Half Life file to another location taking up another gigabyte of my space (back then I only had a 10GB HD and had 1.4GB left), increased loading times, screwed up my binds, and the interface in game with CS 1.6 was just simply awful not to mention loads of lag. I hope NS doesn't change to it any time soon cos I won't be around to see it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Steam downloads content on-the-fly. You don't need half-life, or a CD-key to play it (currently)* Thusly, it must re-download/copy the game files for half-life and counterstrike

    I actually like steam. It doesnt have problems with alt-tab, I like the interface where you can find the servers your friends are playing on without having to use third party stuff that usually sucks. I would play NS on steam, though I think it would be better to wait for half-life 2 which will probally have these sort of features, and not have sloppy netcode.

    *It may check cd-key or hl installation, but people with identical CD-keys can still play together.
  • TeflonTeflon Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20289Members
    This <b>almost</b> makes me wish I had the damndest idea what 'Steam' is.
  • lazygamerlazygamer Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 126Members
    1)I don't see the point to it.

    2)We buy games directly through steam? Why is this needed? Is the ol' order of internet/buy at store system not good enough? Or is steam just an alternative?
  • GuspazGuspaz Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2862Members, Constellation
    The big problem here is most of the people complaining about STEAM don't understand what it is.

    MonkeyMaster: You sound like a 10 year old complaining about something you don't understand. You barely make any sense, and you don't give any arguments AGAINST STEAM.

    RockinRicky: it's a SEPERATE PROGRAM. It creates a fresh copy of any game you play through it, and of course you have to make new binds for it, being a new program. And since it's creating a new copy of the game by downloading files as needed over the internet, of COURSE it is going to make a second copy of Half-Life.

    LazyGamer: You don't have to buy games through it. It's also for people who already own the game. It will enable much more frequent smaller patches, allowing developers to quickly patch individual exploits or cheats without releasing an entire new version. As for purchasing, it eliminates the middlemen (Sierra and the store), which should reduce the price for people who buy over STEAM.
  • RoCkIn_RiCkYRoCkIn_RiCkY Join Date: 2003-08-28 Member: 20306Members
    Can the rest of us who don't want to support Steam play the normal way through Half-Life?
  • GuspazGuspaz Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2862Members, Constellation
    edited August 2003
    Yes, I do belive that VALVe has said they will still release large patches over the internet. However, you probably will have to wait much longer for patches to come out, since Steam allows VALVe to release many small single-issue changes at any time, and they'd probably wait for a bunch of changes to build up before packaging them into a large patch.

    Once you have Steam set up, and have the important files cached, there are few advantages to NOT using Steam. The only serious downside to Steam is that on slow connections like dialup it takes a while to build up the initial cache before it's at the point where you don't need to download (much) when you want to play. I do believe that you can manually copy over non-steam files in order to speed up the cacheing process, but I'm not certain of that.
  • Jabba_The_HuntJabba_The_Hunt Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11850Members
    I know a lot of you think that steam sucks, but remember this has only been a beta so far, there are loads of optimisations that people can see for it without even having the source code, basically when steam is released fully it will be far better than the beta's have been, please give it another try after the beta is over.
  • TwexTwex Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4999Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Can the rest of us who don't want to support Steam play the normal way through Half-Life?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, that's not how I understand the post. In a few weeks from now, WON is going down and the whole HL community will be forcibly moved to Steam.

    And whoever registers a CD-Key first gets to keep it permanently and exclusively.
  • GuspazGuspaz Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2862Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Twex+Aug 28 2003, 06:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Twex @ Aug 28 2003, 06:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And whoever registers a CD-Key first gets to keep it permanently and exclusively. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, only YOU should have your CD key, so that's not a problem, now is it?
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    Whats steam?

    Pay for play service?

    Streaming games?

    Huh? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • joevjoev Giving grief... With a smile. Join Date: 2002-07-20 Member: 977Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jabba The Hunt+Aug 28 2003, 11:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jabba The Hunt @ Aug 28 2003, 11:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I know a lot of you think that steam sucks, but remember this has only been a beta so far, there are loads of optimisations that people can see for it without even having the source code, basically when steam is released fully it will be far better than the beta's have been, please give it another try after the beta is over. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ... Because VALVe have such a good track record in this respect...

    HLDS 3/4.1.1.1, Steam 2.0 beta, DoD V1.0 retail....

    Release code all greatly optimised over the beta code... no wait....

    joev.
  • prsearleprsearle Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2365Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Twex+Aug 28 2003, 06:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Twex @ Aug 28 2003, 06:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No, that's not how I understand the post. In a few weeks from now, WON is going down and the whole HL community will be forcibly moved to Steam.

    And whoever registers a CD-Key first gets to keep it permanently and exclusively.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think the way it will be is that Valve will turn off the WON authentication servers and turn on the Steam authentication servers. The latest client patch (or the next big one, I'm not sure) will update your machine so instead of it going like this:
    CDkey -> WON server -> WONID -> game server
    it will go like this:
    CDkey -> STEAM server -> STEAMID -> game server
    The client shouldn't even notice that anything has changed. And if someone else has your CD key you will only know it if you play at the same time as them... just like WON.
  • lazygamerlazygamer Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 126Members
    edited August 2003
    So basically, our CD key is currently encoded into a Wonid, but steam ID will replace WonID, so our steam ID will be an encoded version of our cd key. Is this correct?


    IF, this means lower prices, that is kewl. Although the main advantage is quick patches.
  • LazerLazer Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14406Members, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester
    If your computer/net connection doesn't suck, steam is a great program. It makes everything so much easier to do. And it adds a lot of cool features. I'm just not sure how hlsw would work with it though...
  • TeflonTeflon Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20289Members
    I wanna know what Steam is!
  • TwexTwex Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4999Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And if someone else has your CD key you will only know it if you play at the same time as them... just like WON. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, the CD-Key will be used to create a Steam account which you permanently keep.
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So basically, our CD key is currently encoded into a Wonid, but steam ID will replace WonID, so our steam ID will be an encoded version of our cd key. Is this correct?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Neither a WonID nor a SteamID is algorithmically derivable from a CD-Key. They're just unique database IDs. SteamIDs will be generated sequentially IIRC, so the sooner you register, the lower and shorter it'll be.
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    edited August 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I wanna know what Steam is! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><a href='http://www.steampowered.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.steampowered.com/</a>

    Great system. I can't wait until NS is on Steam. You all should be excited. This is a significant improvement to online gaming through Half-Life. Just thinking of NS on Steam makes me drool. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • lazygamerlazygamer Join Date: 2002-01-28 Member: 126Members
    Well the thing is, i don't really wanna register until it's out of beta.
  • p4Prosperop4Prospero Join Date: 2002-12-04 Member: 10454Members, Constellation
    As a Steam user from day 1, I can say honestly it's been a rocky road. However, the last month or so has been just great. It's wonderful to log in after a long day at work and see that while I was away a new HL2 movie and CS patch have been installed for me. The game searching is fairly strong, and the builtin chat system is just darn handy. I wholeheartedly recommend it.
  • GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
    FYI:

    Given that the WONID DB will cease to exist, you'll have a pretty tough time playing mods unless you re-register with STEAM.

    I've not had the best experience with STEAM either, but hey, look at it this way:

    Even if you never play HL or a mod of it again, when was the last time that you got several <b>hundred</b> hours of entertainment for between £10-30?

    If you need to complain about STEAM, the place to do it was on the STEAM beta discussion boards.

    Complaining about STEAM now is like moaning about Bush getting elected. You should have voted and agitated BEFORE he got into office.

    Anyway, STEAM can only get better. If it doesn't, HL2 will get *****-slapped by Quake IV (go KEN20BANKS!!!) and Doom III. And those guys all have mortgages to pay, so I doubt that will happen.
  • CatpokerCatpoker Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 816Members
    edited August 2003
    steam (how i understand it) is basicly a way to get a game without even downloading it...

    it also has a new GUI (something that hl has needed for a long long LONG time) which has some niffty features like "Friends" which is basicly like an ingame messanger

    PLEASE NOTE: i have not downloaded this, and am only telling stuff i know from what i have read...

    EDIT: and yes, i *think* you MUST use it to play any HL game, it comes with the next HL patch
  • PseudoKnightPseudoKnight Join Date: 2002-06-18 Member: 791Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> steam (how i understand it) is basicly a way to get a game without even downloading it...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I think you mistakenly wrote "downloading" instead of "buying", by which you mean "buying from a retail store". It's an online content delivery system so of course you download stuff.
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