<!--QuoteBegin--Poofat+Aug 27 2003, 01:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Poofat @ Aug 27 2003, 01:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--th0r0n^+Aug 27 2003, 01:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (th0r0n^ @ Aug 27 2003, 01:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Aug 27 2003, 07:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Aug 27 2003, 07:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--th0r0n^+Aug 27 2003, 12:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (th0r0n^ @ Aug 27 2003, 12:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CHAMOIS+Aug 27 2003, 04:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CHAMOIS @ Aug 27 2003, 04:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--BLUNTSWORTH+Aug 27 2003, 06:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BLUNTSWORTH @ Aug 27 2003, 06:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Rat+Aug 26 2003, 11:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rat @ Aug 26 2003, 11:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> However, you have to understand that fundamentally, this game is nothing more than 1s and 0s arranged <i>just so</i> to provide you with the beautiful scenes and interaction on your computer monitor. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> God this really puts it all into perspective, Thanks Buddy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Flayra codes in binary now <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> C++ is compiled into binary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes but that original post makes it look as if Flayra is coding in binary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well he was right sort of, C++ isn't interpreted. lol. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The compiler intreprets the code. Obviously it was a joke, no one codes in binary anymore*
* Assembly might be considered coding in binary, but no one actually stares at 1s and 0s to write instructions.** ** Some people are masocists, and just might do this. Don't expect anything large to come out of it though. For other fun languages, do a google search on brainf--k (you must spell out the word) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I realize c++ compiles into binary. It's just by the <i>beautifully crafted wording</i> of the original poster I got the image of Flayra meticulously going through ones and zeros <i>"just so"</i> to give us our <i>"beautiful scenes and interactions on our computer monitors,"</i> never have words been so eloquently sculpted. They rival even those beautiful scenes comprised of 1s and 0s on my INTERNET COMPUTER MONITOR in sheer beauty.
In other words I was mocking what is blatantly terrible writing.
<!--QuoteBegin--CHAMOIS+Aug 27 2003, 02:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CHAMOIS @ Aug 27 2003, 02:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Poofat+Aug 27 2003, 01:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Poofat @ Aug 27 2003, 01:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--th0r0n^+Aug 27 2003, 01:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (th0r0n^ @ Aug 27 2003, 01:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Aug 27 2003, 07:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Aug 27 2003, 07:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--th0r0n^+Aug 27 2003, 12:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (th0r0n^ @ Aug 27 2003, 12:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--CHAMOIS+Aug 27 2003, 04:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CHAMOIS @ Aug 27 2003, 04:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--BLUNTSWORTH+Aug 27 2003, 06:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BLUNTSWORTH @ Aug 27 2003, 06:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Rat+Aug 26 2003, 11:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rat @ Aug 26 2003, 11:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> However, you have to understand that fundamentally, this game is nothing more than 1s and 0s arranged <i>just so</i> to provide you with the beautiful scenes and interaction on your computer monitor. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> God this really puts it all into perspective, Thanks Buddy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Flayra codes in binary now <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> C++ is compiled into binary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes but that original post makes it look as if Flayra is coding in binary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well he was right sort of, C++ isn't interpreted. lol. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The compiler intreprets the code. Obviously it was a joke, no one codes in binary anymore*
* Assembly might be considered coding in binary, but no one actually stares at 1s and 0s to write instructions.** ** Some people are masocists, and just might do this. Don't expect anything large to come out of it though. For other fun languages, do a google search on brainf--k (you must spell out the word) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I realize c++ compiles into binary. It's just by the <i>beautifully crafted wording</i> of the original poster I got the image of Flayra meticulously going through ones and zeros <i>"just so"</i> to give us our <i>"beautiful scenes and interactions on our computer monitors,"</i> never have words been so eloquently sculpted. They rival even those beautiful scenes comprised of 1s and 0s on my INTERNET COMPUTER MONITOR in sheer beauty.
In other words I was mocking what is blatantly terrible writing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Are you sure it's blantently terrible writing? I doubt he wrote it like that on purpose.
Anyhow, I reconize where the post is coming from, but for the sake of most of the half ill-literate people on these forums, you should have use more paragraphs.
When it's long winded, non-sensical, offers no new information or different takes on old information, all while being thickly layered in pretension without the intellect to back it up, yes, I can say it's both terrible writing and a terrible thread.
I don't think Rat will ever post in this thread again... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
InsaneAnomalyJoin Date: 2002-05-13Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
<!--QuoteBegin--nØthing+Aug 27 2003, 08:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nØthing @ Aug 27 2003, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I know this is a little hypocritical to ask, but what was the point in posting this?
It's just stating the obvious. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If that's so, then why do people still make threads about the issues mentioned? It might be obvious to you, but it clearly isn't obvious to the just-below-average forumite.
Assuming perfect developers with infallible memory and communication software would work perfectly except for hardware problems. Back out here in the real world: we're human, humans make mistakes. All it takes is a single error that manifests intermittently at runtime and you're off to the wonderful fun of debugging.
If anyone thinks they can do better, by all means feel free to do so. Until you've actually worked on a substantial project integrated with an API of questionable design while being dragged in six directions by an enthusiastic but clueless user community: please shaddup about software quality.
Me? I do industrial development, research programming languages, and write programming competitions for fun. Have done enough work with the Half-Life SDK to know that I'd really rather not. Would rather work on compiler tools to allow larger maps with more detail and better visuals.
The thing is that there is a BIG difference between a game balanced by playtesters/devs (perhaps not perfectly so, but reasonably close) and a game that has been playtested.
You have all said that Flayra threw alot of things in at the very end (for God KNOWS why). Maybe Flayra has some brilliant reasoning and I will one day say "OMG, YOU PWN ME" but, right now it seems to me he basically threw out a very long period of playtesting in order to restore "FUN" when he could have just held back the release a week, or even a few days to TEST those changes.
Blah blah blah, complex interconnected variables, blah blah blah. The game had been finetuned once before, and while not perfect was awfully close. Still don't see why we should expect a game to be MORE unbalanced than it was during beta testing. (Again, I know the REASON, but I don't believe its a valid excuse, insofar as wanting to make the game fun again is a worthwhile reason to basically trash all the playtesters work)
<!--QuoteBegin--RPG_Jssmfulhud+Aug 27 2003, 03:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RPG_Jssmfulhud @ Aug 27 2003, 03:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't think Rat will ever post in this thread again... :) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> good
FamDiaper-Wearing Dog On A BallJoin Date: 2002-02-17Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
A nicely written post has been flamed and dragged off topic so much that it needs to be closed. Everyone who posted in this thread, look at what you wrote, and then think how it was constructive to the thread in general.
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you know, rip out my eyes!
God this really puts it all into perspective, Thanks Buddy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Flayra codes in binary now <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
C++ is compiled into binary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes but that original post makes it look as if Flayra is coding in binary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well he was right sort of, C++ isn't interpreted. lol. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The compiler intreprets the code. Obviously it was a joke, no one codes in binary anymore*
* Assembly might be considered coding in binary, but no one actually stares at 1s and 0s to write instructions.**
** Some people are masocists, and just might do this. Don't expect anything large to come out of it though. For other fun languages, do a google search on brainf--k (you must spell out the word) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I realize c++ compiles into binary. It's just by the <i>beautifully crafted wording</i> of the original poster I got the image of Flayra meticulously going through ones and zeros <i>"just so"</i> to give us our <i>"beautiful scenes and interactions on our computer monitors,"</i> never have words been so eloquently sculpted. They rival even those beautiful scenes comprised of 1s and 0s on my INTERNET COMPUTER MONITOR in sheer beauty.
In other words I was mocking what is blatantly terrible writing.
God this really puts it all into perspective, Thanks Buddy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Flayra codes in binary now <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
C++ is compiled into binary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes but that original post makes it look as if Flayra is coding in binary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well he was right sort of, C++ isn't interpreted. lol. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The compiler intreprets the code. Obviously it was a joke, no one codes in binary anymore*
* Assembly might be considered coding in binary, but no one actually stares at 1s and 0s to write instructions.**
** Some people are masocists, and just might do this. Don't expect anything large to come out of it though. For other fun languages, do a google search on brainf--k (you must spell out the word) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I realize c++ compiles into binary. It's just by the <i>beautifully crafted wording</i> of the original poster I got the image of Flayra meticulously going through ones and zeros <i>"just so"</i> to give us our <i>"beautiful scenes and interactions on our computer monitors,"</i> never have words been so eloquently sculpted. They rival even those beautiful scenes comprised of 1s and 0s on my INTERNET COMPUTER MONITOR in sheer beauty.
In other words I was mocking what is blatantly terrible writing. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you sure it's blantently terrible writing? I doubt he wrote it like that on purpose.
Anyhow, I reconize where the post is coming from, but for the sake of most of the half ill-literate people on these forums, you should have use more paragraphs.
<span style='color:orange'><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>It's just stating the obvious.</span></span>
It's just stating the obvious. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If that's so, then why do people still make threads about the issues mentioned? It might be obvious to you, but it clearly isn't obvious to the just-below-average forumite.
If anyone thinks they can do better, by all means feel free to do so. Until you've actually worked on a substantial project integrated with an API of questionable design while being dragged in six directions by an enthusiastic but clueless user community: please shaddup about software quality.
Me? I do industrial development, research programming languages, and write programming competitions for fun. Have done enough work with the Half-Life SDK to know that I'd really rather not. Would rather work on compiler tools to allow larger maps with more detail and better visuals.
Cheers,
Chris
The thing is that there is a BIG difference between a game balanced by playtesters/devs (perhaps not perfectly so, but reasonably close) and a game that has been playtested.
You have all said that Flayra threw alot of things in at the very end (for God KNOWS why). Maybe Flayra has some brilliant reasoning and I will one day say "OMG, YOU PWN ME" but, right now it seems to me he basically threw out a very long period of playtesting in order to restore "FUN" when he could have just held back the release a week, or even a few days to TEST those changes.
Blah blah blah, complex interconnected variables, blah blah blah. The game had been finetuned once before, and while not perfect was awfully close. Still don't see why we should expect a game to be MORE unbalanced than it was during beta testing. (Again, I know the REASON, but I don't believe its a valid excuse, insofar as wanting to make the game fun again is a worthwhile reason to basically trash all the playtesters work)
good
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