Legalization Of Marijuana
p4Samwise
Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10831Members
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We have the alcohol topic going in full swing, now let's get up to something a little more controversial. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I'm in favor of it, or I wouldn't be bringing the topic up, but I want to hear a few opinions before I launch into a full-on diatribe.
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1. Marijuana has been studied for the course of about 60 years and there has been no scientific evidence of any direct phsycial harm or physical addiction caused by it's consumption.
2. The US goverment has been spending upwards of 20 billion dollars a year to combat marijuana and it's uses within the country for the last 20-30 years with absolutly no success.
3. Legilization would null and void the black market aspect of marijuana and end all illegal traffiking of the drug thus getting rid of millions of dollars in funds for criminals who not only sell pot, but cocain, heroine, and illegal arms.
Keep it for medical use.
Marijuana vs Tobacco vs Alcohol... - Which of these is the least <b>evil</b>?
Oh crap, forgot to turn on the Sarcasmatron... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Seriously though, I'm curious which of these has is most harmful to the human body. And I know it's actually quite unfair to judge tobacco (in cigarette form), considering the amount of additional chemicals tobacco companies add. If marijuana were to be legalized and mass produced, it would only be a matter of time before marijuana companies start adding all sorts of crap to make people addicted to it.
one of my favorite topics <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I am COMPLEATLY for the legalization of weed (I don't feel like spelling out Marijuana every friken time so it is WEED)
lets start with basics:
Prohibition sucked and had the revers effect desired nuff said right there <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
alot of people smoke up simply b/c they are not suposed to <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
so the simple straight out effects of legalization:
1) no more 'ohh lets do it cuss its 'bad''
2) TAXES!!!!!! WOOOT, the gov can tax the crap outa weed and it will STILL be cheaper then it is right now <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> (and tax local growers)
3) Safer, no more rat killer, no more bleach, no more pcp lacings <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> sooom uch better for you <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
4) drug related crime goes DOWN. well, lets see gangs can't push it, dope lords can't smuggle it, and thus NO ONE FIGHTS OVER IT <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
5) you can get some MUCH better stuff <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
6) if the medicinal usses are real, there is another quick one <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
so, unless you are going ot argue down the legality of:
Tobaco
Alcholhol
Caffine
and a mess of other things, lets see you give good reasons against it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
btw I am also for the legalization of all drugs, but I will do that in another thread if I feel like it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Genesis 1:12
you wana quote that for us? cuss I don't have the book of genesis on hand yah know
Genesis 1:12 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Please don't hijack threads, and relegion shouldn't play any part in any legislaton, if you want to respond to people's actual points that would be more in line with a discussion.
And as to your point I think the bible hardly applies to regulation of a controlled substance considering the DEA was about 1000 years from being conceived.
look, simply posting the chapter and verse of a book that a large number of us have never read nor do we own is about as smart as posting binary
so if you wana contribute please just give us quote and tell us why you think it is pertinant
(personaly I think that it can't be seeing how as I firmly believe in the seperation of church and state)
ok he is a twit, here it is
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
so, in other words he is atempting to quote an obscure pice of the bible that has the words herb, grass, and seeds thus he thinks that it must have to deal with weed.
congratz, stop hijaking
perhaps legalisation of other drugs would spark a better debate.
as for which is the worst, alcohol/ tabacco/ weed, well its not weed ill tell you that much for sure...
both tabacco and alcohol have pretty nasty features going for them but im not entirely sure which is worse.
im enclined to go with tabacco for the adictive aspect.
bit of information for those who dont know, there are (i believe) 7 varieties of tabacco found naturally, 2 of which are addictive. these 2 varieties are also the most carcenogenic. guess which 2 the tabacco companies use.
the main probelm i see with weed is that you think up all kinds of crazy stuff, which seems highly intelligent at the time, but upon later examination is usually kinda stupid. still it aint like it makes your arms fall off or anything drastic.
legalisation; im all for it. apart from when all the parents are blazing up regularly, what are the kids gunna use to rebel?!
If it's legalized, the government could regulate and tax it. The consumer is protected from shady characters with unsafe additives, and the government gets a HUGE source of revenue. Everyone wins. Not to mention it'd cut way back on pot use by minors - it's actually easier for teenagers to obtain pot than it is to obtain alcohol, since pot is by its very nature only sold by unlicensed sellers, whereas almost everyone who sells alcohol has a liquor license to worry about.
Regarding potheads coming to the US - where do you think most of the potheads in Amsterdam are coming FROM? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> The US is a big enough country that it could absorb a few extra vacationing stoners and we'd never notice. All they'd be doing is feeding our economy.
All available evidence indicates that pot is less addictive than cigarettes, and is no more debilitating or damaging than alcohol. Pot was only illegalized in the first place due to pressure from the cotton lobby, in order to hinder usage of hemp fiber as a cotton alternative. There just isn't any logical basis for having marijuana illegal while tobacco and alcohol are legal (and caffeine is more addictive than ANY of them and it's not even restricted!).
Funny but hardly relivent, I'm pretty sure Nem and others have said they want most discussion to be serious.
A thread hijack is more like:
"Fades are weak regardless of wheather marijuana is legal or not"
Don't even say that out loud! Do you want Monkeybonk to hear us?
stop hijaking
now back to a few other things.
Melatonin, there are a good number of peopole on this board who are anti legalization (or atleast there were)
Samwise, I am rather sure that the entire contton industrie thing is BS seeing how as hemp can esily be grown with out any THC in it (well, it would take a blunt the size of a telephone poll to get a buzz <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
but for the heck of it lets make another thread <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Naturally, similar policies should apply to pot were it made legal.
Regardless as soon as a mod sees this, it will be locked.
I read that it was DuPont aswell, trying also to cut down on the rope competition, so they could sell nylon ropes.
Cali was the first to make it illigal?
I though NY was (I know we didn't ban it from bars till this year but it has banned form resturants and such for much longer)
Well living in a small country, it isn't that simple. Obviously one of these countrys will have the cheapest/best pot and you will get a lot of people in that country.
I would also stop mentioning/boasting that you smoke weed. It is illegal and I don't think the mods will be too happy.
And this is different from any other industry how? I don't see how this is a point against it. Many people vacation in Germany because of the awesome beer. Has this hurt them any? Not as far as I've seen.
BTW, I just mentioned my own experience as an example to counter the argument that legalizing would lead to MORE harmful additives. The same argument has been made for X (and was the impetus for the free testing setups) And my experience was due to stupidity on my part - how does this count as a boast?
I though NY was (I know we didn't ban it from bars till this year but it has banned form resturants and such for much longer) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think bars were the last bastion of public indoor smokers, and CA was the first to knock that down. I know this because my friends from the Midwest try to give me crap about it (to which I say, "last time I went to a pub in the Midwest, I saw a baby choking to death on cigarette smoke. Go you.").
And this is different from any other industry how? I don't see how this is a point against it. Many people vacation in Germany because of the awesome beer. Has this hurt them any? Not as far as I've seen.
BTW, I just mentioned my own experience as an example to counter the argument that legalizing would lead to MORE harmful additives. The same argument has been made for X (and was the impetus for the free testing setups) And my experience was due to stupidity on my part - how does this count as a boast? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, let's see.
I am going on the assumption that it was legalized just in my country. It is unwise to asume that the whole world would say, "ahhhhh yes, OK let's legalize pot." So that leaves two countries, Amsterdam and the UK which would sell pot. So, let's say UK has the best pot... Word gets around and everybody flocks here. It's different to almost every other industry because most other industries are legal in every country, not just two.
I never said you were boasting. It was more of a fore-warning to people thinking of posting their experiences. Remember, it is illegal and this isn't the forum to say you smoke illegal substances.