<!--QuoteBegin--Umbraed Monkey+Aug 24 2003, 10:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Aug 24 2003, 10:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Many of you mentioned how poorly the TSA represents humanity and its weapons, have you thought about what weapons the Kharaa might have that arent shown in NS? If we have nukes, and it aint shown in NS, what the fr33kin hell does Kharaa have that isnt shown?! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> More lifeforms...
If Smart_Bomb's dream came true then we really would have to worry,bacterium could through possibly everything they have at us
As for our weapons tearing through aliens....I don't think they can,since the equipment used for TSA are like infused with nanites that actually work to quickly diffuse bacterium, and I don't think anyone has made that kind of nanite yet
I just wish we had REAL nanotechnology right now....not 5 years or 5 minutes later but now....
And as for ice....there's a reason why we called it Natural-Selection,and next thing we know there are hives covered in icicles and lerks with santa hats and candy cane....and Onos with antlers ROOFL
<!--QuoteBegin--Dread+Aug 24 2003, 11:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Aug 24 2003, 11:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Besides I thought you supported Bush. You always took his side when I tried to bash him a bit. I guess you were doing it only to argue with someone <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hopefully you have learned a valuable lesson about assuming things then. Go back through all my old posts and find where I said I liked bush, took his personal side, or favored any politician for that matter. I am loosely libertarian at best, and despise professional politicians in all their guises. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyhoo, it seems like if it came down to us versus them nowadays, we'd do pretty much what we did in Jerry Pournelle's <b>Footfall</b> or Harry Turtledove's <b>In The Balance</b>. Fight them conventionally until we reached a standstill or losing equation, then bust out the hydrogen bombs. Seems like the Kharaa would lose their advantage in outdoor maps though <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> (which is why we never allowed them!).
The hivemind is not stupid...if the Kharaa are at a complete disadvantage in open terrain, it will know it and it will avoid it. What does this mean? Well, since its lowest form is just bacteria, they would probably spread by latching on any common animal/insect/vehicle, and find itself a favourable environment to grow and fight in. What would be a favourable environment? Well, as mentioned before, NOT open land, which would probably mean they would go to human cities. Some of you are still in the old ww1 mindset, where wars have 'us' on one side of the line, and 'them' on the other side. Alls we gotta do is send nukes over 'there'. Well, now that we see the Kharaa will probably rise from our own cities (probably stick the hive in bombshelters too <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->), cities with sewage and ventilation systems that makes ns_nancy's seem simple, what would you do against that? Nukes? Nuke any city with signs of the alien menace? And what if you do? they could just spread the bacterium elsewhere..
eurasian forces would destroy the kharra before they made a significant base on earth, using weapons of mass destruction, BUT, Bush Junior would steal a sensory chamber to research and make money off from secret defense contract deals, but a lab mistake would let it's bacteria spread into the world! Oh, and since he couldnt tell anyone about it, it would fester and grow, and eat the USA from the inside out! Then Eurasia would have to nuke us, and , well, everyones problems would be solved.
<!--QuoteBegin--Umbraed Monkey+Aug 24 2003, 10:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Aug 24 2003, 10:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Many of you mentioned how poorly the TSA represents humanity and its weapons, have you thought about what weapons the Kharaa might have that arent shown in NS? If we have nukes, and it aint shown in NS, what the fr33kin hell does Kharaa have that isnt shown?! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The Kharaa have old "Happy Days" Re-runs
<!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Aug 24 2003, 02:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Aug 24 2003, 02:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Umbraed Monkey+Aug 24 2003, 10:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Umbraed Monkey @ Aug 24 2003, 10:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Many of you mentioned how poorly the TSA represents humanity and its weapons, have you thought about what weapons the Kharaa might have that arent shown in NS? If we have nukes, and it aint shown in NS, what the fr33kin hell does Kharaa have that isnt shown?! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The Kharaa have old "Happy Days" Re-runs <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> thus Kharaa pwns us.
I suppose they could make us into Xenociders. That way they dont have to kill skulks, which are more useful in battle. One thing though- If the bacterium need nanosludge to build, how would they build if there's no nanosludge?
<!--QuoteBegin--Dirty Harry Potter+Aug 24 2003, 01:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dirty Harry Potter @ Aug 24 2003, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i just realised.... ...this question have been made to break the NS community, proof?
look at the Poster: CShank4 :O notice the CS part.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> OH FFS ITS C SHANK. NOT CS HANK OR CSH ANK ITS C SHANK IT STANDS FOR CHRIS FUGGIN SHANK
<!--QuoteBegin--cshank4+Aug 24 2003, 04:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (cshank4 @ Aug 24 2003, 04:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Dirty Harry Potter+Aug 24 2003, 01:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dirty Harry Potter @ Aug 24 2003, 01:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i just realised.... ...this question have been made to break the NS community, proof?
look at the Poster: CShank4 :O notice the CS part.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> OH FFS ITS C SHANK. NOT CS HANK OR CSH ANK ITS C SHANK IT STANDS FOR CHRIS FUGGIN SHANK <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> thats what they all say, isnt it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
i was a little "afriad" there, and im sorry if i ticked ya off. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The more velocity/weight a bullet has, the more umbra needed nullify it. So tank rounds would be a **** to deal with.
I'm sure gorges and fades could bilebomb/acid rocket tanks, they just would have to fire off several shots, or have several fades/gorges.
It's possible that some humans might adapt to the bacterium, but the question is, would the bacterium adapt to the adapted humans?
Maybe a fade can only blink so much before being exhausted, so going to the skies to take out helicopters is bad idea. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Bacterium could be dealt with by a laboratory made counter bacterium, or some form of special injection to boost human defenses. It's not surefire, and there would be problems, but if mankind was facing extinction, and had a few months of time to adapt, the scientists might be able to figure something out. After all, they would no longer be worried about profits, they would be motivated by survival.
I think Kharra would win in the end, simply because they reproduce and grow so easily, and they can probably directly utilize our plantetary resources like wood, plants, metal etc. We have to build factories, produce stuff with them, wait for humans to grow old enough to fight etc.
What can a tank do to a Rhino? -Make it into Rhino paste. What can a Attack 'copter do to a large bat that shoots boney spikes? -Fill it with holes. GG What can a platoon of soldiers holding assult rifles do to 40 rabid dogs running towards them? -Another obvious answer. What can your average house wife do against a 3 foot tall walking tube of goo? -Hell, a broom would be a decent threat to a gorge.
Plus, with all the stuff we've got in our orbit, I'm sure we'd see them coming. They have to get here somehow, and we've got plenty of missles to go around.
Nuke them, Nuke them all <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--$niper Chance+Aug 25 2003, 12:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ($niper Chance @ Aug 25 2003, 12:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and making sexual jokes about their CO's mother. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not to his face, at least...
<!--QuoteBegin--Frikk+Aug 25 2003, 10:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frikk @ Aug 25 2003, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Plus, with all the stuff we've got in our orbit, I'm sure we'd see them coming. They have to get here somehow, and we've got plenty of missles to go around. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sure we'd see them coming...well not technically, they'd be in our spacecraft in bacterial form. Once the crew left the shuttle the bacteria would spread over the planet.
I'd pay good money to see that. While humans might have the advantage above ground...an onos charging through the sewers would be something different entirely...
The world would be doomed. America and it's continents are dead. And some guy with a beard wich can't talk will free us all from the aliens in East-Europe.
If we went around nuking everything to kill them, We help kill off ourselves. that wouldnt be so smart <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> We have so much more then anything on NS (cept for jet packs <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> ) but our common day weapons, tanks, air crafts.... we wouldnt need nukes. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
You guys are forgetting one vital point, NS takes place in space where there is no bacteria and that is why the aliens need nanites to spawn buildings. On earth there is probably enough bacteria in a square mile to produce thousands of offspring, one pond could probably spew out 15 hives, so I'd have to say we'd be pretty screwed if they invaded especially considering how crappy our response time would be to a full out world-wide invasion considering everyone is so used to Mutually Assured Destruction. There probably isn't even a real plan currently to handle an invasion.
Specifically, one sensory in the middle of a crowded street = lotsa dead people. : )
As far as nuking the planet goes if I remember correctly we can tacticially nuke 1 city and have fallout so small that it wouldn't affect a village 50 miles away.
No no no, the Kahraa is a specific strain of bacteria, not all bacteria combined. This particular strain just happens to be able to create hives which are sentient. The bacteria are able to feed off any form of food that other bacteria can feed off of, and apparently nanosludge is a form of food. Human waste is also a very rich source of food, which is why I'm thinking sewers.
<!--QuoteBegin--Decimator+Aug 25 2003, 02:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Decimator @ Aug 25 2003, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No no no, the Kahraa is a specific strain of bacteria, not all bacteria combined. This particular strain just happens to be able to create hives which are sentient. The bacteria are able to feed off any form of food that other bacteria can feed off of, and apparently nanosludge is a form of food. Human waste is also a very rich source of food, which is why I'm thinking sewers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> sewers and cities...
Personally I think the marines would win for some reason. Ill post mroe after I get some caffiene in my veins
<!--QuoteBegin--Rellix+Aug 25 2003, 10:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rellix @ Aug 25 2003, 10:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Other idea, call in SHODAN!!! Mankinds best AI. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> we would have to fire up SKYNET <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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well dread you forgot one thing the bacteria changes as needed, so possible it would make a Artic force...
More lifeforms...
If Smart_Bomb's dream came true then we really would have to worry,bacterium could through possibly everything they have at us
As for our weapons tearing through aliens....I don't think they can,since the equipment used for TSA are like infused with nanites that actually work to quickly diffuse bacterium, and I don't think anyone has made that kind of nanite yet
I just wish we had REAL nanotechnology right now....not 5 years or 5 minutes later but now....
And as for ice....there's a reason why we called it Natural-Selection,and next thing we know there are hives covered in icicles and lerks with santa hats and candy cane....and Onos with antlers ROOFL
Hopefully you have learned a valuable lesson about assuming things then. Go back through all my old posts and find where I said I liked bush, took his personal side, or favored any politician for that matter. I am loosely libertarian at best, and despise professional politicians in all their guises. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyhoo, it seems like if it came down to us versus them nowadays, we'd do pretty much what we did in Jerry Pournelle's <b>Footfall</b> or Harry Turtledove's <b>In The Balance</b>. Fight them conventionally until we reached a standstill or losing equation, then bust out the hydrogen bombs. Seems like the Kharaa would lose their advantage in outdoor maps though <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> (which is why we never allowed them!).
...this question have been made to break the NS community, proof?
look at the Poster: CShank4 :O notice the CS part....
The Kharaa have old "Happy Days" Re-runs
The Kharaa have old "Happy Days" Re-runs <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
thus Kharaa pwns us.
The kharaa would turn humans into yet another lifeform to be evolved into (with many modifications of course)
So.... what would a soft skinned thing like a human be good for? We'd be the after action janitors.
...this question have been made to break the NS community, proof?
look at the Poster: CShank4 :O notice the CS part.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
OH FFS ITS C SHANK. NOT CS HANK OR CSH ANK ITS C SHANK IT STANDS FOR CHRIS FUGGIN SHANK
...this question have been made to break the NS community, proof?
look at the Poster: CShank4 :O notice the CS part.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OH FFS ITS C SHANK. NOT CS HANK OR CSH ANK ITS C SHANK IT STANDS FOR CHRIS FUGGIN SHANK <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
thats what they all say, isnt it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
i was a little "afriad" there, and im sorry if i ticked ya off. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
The more velocity/weight a bullet has, the more umbra needed nullify it. So tank rounds would be a **** to deal with.
I'm sure gorges and fades could bilebomb/acid rocket tanks, they just would have to fire off several shots, or have several fades/gorges.
It's possible that some humans might adapt to the bacterium, but the question is, would the bacterium adapt to the adapted humans?
Maybe a fade can only blink so much before being exhausted, so going to the skies to take out helicopters is bad idea. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Bacterium could be dealt with by a laboratory made counter bacterium, or some form of special injection to boost human defenses. It's not surefire, and there would be problems, but if mankind was facing extinction, and had a few months of time to adapt, the scientists might be able to figure something out. After all, they would no longer be worried about profits, they would be motivated by survival.
I think Kharra would win in the end, simply because they reproduce and grow so easily, and they can probably directly utilize our plantetary resources like wood, plants, metal etc. We have to build factories, produce stuff with them, wait for humans to grow old enough to fight etc.
-Make it into Rhino paste.
What can a Attack 'copter do to a large bat that shoots boney spikes?
-Fill it with holes. GG
What can a platoon of soldiers holding assult rifles do to 40 rabid dogs running towards them?
-Another obvious answer.
What can your average house wife do against a 3 foot tall walking tube of goo?
-Hell, a broom would be a decent threat to a gorge.
Plus, with all the stuff we've got in our orbit, I'm sure we'd see them coming. They have to get here somehow, and we've got plenty of missles to go around.
You don't see USMC soldiers bunnyhopping around their base, demanding Jetpacks and making sexual jokes about their CO's mother.
Not to his face, at least...
Sure we'd see them coming...well not technically, they'd be in our spacecraft in bacterial form. Once the crew left the shuttle the bacteria would spread over the planet.
And some guy with a beard wich can't talk will free us all from the aliens in East-Europe.
Oh wait..
We have so much more then anything on NS (cept for jet packs <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> )
but our common day weapons, tanks, air crafts.... we wouldnt need nukes. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Specifically, one sensory in the middle of a crowded street = lotsa dead people. : )
As far as nuking the planet goes if I remember correctly we can tacticially nuke 1 city and have fallout so small that it wouldn't affect a village 50 miles away.
sewers and cities...
Personally I think the marines would win for some reason. Ill post mroe after I get some caffiene in my veins
we would have to fire up SKYNET <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->