A Formal Request To The Forum Mods

fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
edited August 2003 in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">please, for the love of sanity</div> I formally request that any threads about 2.0 balance, the lack of, the solution to, etc, be locked as soon as they're seen (unless they happen to have new info, which they most likely won't). I posted basically this same post, but in reply to another thread, and I'm making it formal. It's so hard to come back when you have to wade through 2-3 pages of "balance" threads that say nothing more than all the other threads over the past few weeks. It used to be that we could come here and discuss the game, the fun things, the annoying things, the great games we had, etc. Now it's all 100% flame-bait. Let me sum up the arguments:

1) NS is balanced
2) NS is unbalanced
3) Marines have the advantage
4) Kharaa have the advantage
5) Marines need a good comm and good grunts
6) It doesn't matter what the marines have, they'll loose to any semi-organized alien team
7) Nade spam and turret farming is annoying
8) There are ways to avoid and/or decimate nade-spammed turret farms
9) Aliens expand too quickly
10) Natural-Selection isn't what it used to be so I quit

I think I hit most if not all of the major topics, and any of them by themself is not bad, but when there are 3 variations of each of those as new threads every day, it's really getting old. Everyone should know by now that there are beta patches out that HELP equalize things. They're not perfect, but 2.01b is a great start. We all should know that the team is working on the balance, and we all should know that just about every argument about 2.0 balance has been thrown into a thread and debated to death from all sides. I'm respectfully asking you, the forum admins and moderators, to lock such threads. Please. For the love of our sanity.

Comments

  • DXODXO The one... the only... Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12894Members, NS1 Playtester
    cant argue too much, im sure we're all doing everything we can to preserve your sanity and ours.. so no worries it'll get better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ApeApe Join Date: 2003-06-17 Member: 17448Members, Constellation
    Agreed.

    I'm sick and tired of wading through the same old trash day in day out. C'mon guys! Give me something decent to entertain myself with while I bludge the day away at work.

    Cheers.
  • EighteenTwelveEighteenTwelve Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19366Members
    The other day I was in this game and OMG the aliens liek man OMG!!!111... Sorry had to ;D

    Gotta side with you punks here. Enough is enough people, we know the whole game is now garbage and that you hate it. That's great. Now go play more land we'll pretend we actually care.
  • Trojan2Trojan2 Join Date: 2003-01-14 Member: 12290Members
    Oh you forgot about Devoure and shotguns completly dominating and that both are totaly unbeatable
  • n4s7yn4s7y Join Date: 2003-04-18 Member: 15627Members
    If they did this then noone would post <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    no, if they did this, the people who were the community base that have been driven away would come back, and you'd have better and more meaningful threads. You underestimate the community my friend.
  • MavericMaveric Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Members
    Your forgetting the "Move NS to HL2" posts, dude. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RatRat Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11486Members
    my long winded, well thought out thread (which dxo gave two thumbs up to) is on the third or fourth page and it's only a day old. gg balance spam threads that accomplish nothing but diarrhea of the mouth and ulcers of the brain.
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    looking..... (didn't mean to steal your thunder, I was trying to get my thoughts out while I still had time...... now it looks like I have lots of time because the gas crisis in arizona is causing me to wait up until 1-2am to go find gas. It's 11:34, I just got back a few minutes ago, and 33 stations were empty, and the 2 that ad gas had 30+ cars in line. (sorry bout the rant, but this is getting annoying. 6 days our gas pipeline has been broken, and all the panickers are taking what little gas we have left, filling up their 30 gallon tanks on their SUVs and crap)
  • RatRat Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11486Members
    sorry to hear rough times goin on down there for you. i'm in houston, and 'gas crisis' usually means a plant explosion around these parts <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->

    i just bumped my post back to the front page. time to give it 24 more hours worth of attempts at having people actually read something other than balance bitching.
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    the main point to my post is that it's getting harder and harder to come back to the forums. I really want to hear about the awesome games people played, or the amazing moments they had where victory was in their grasp, but they lost it because a medpack fell through the floor. I LOVE hearing new ideas, I love hearing about problems people are having, and maybe offering advice, or thinking "hey, I'd like to see some answers to this as well." I love getting into a heated discussion over sportsmanship. I love pretty much everything about a general forum. The problem is, there are 30+ new topics every day, and probably 25 of them are rehashing the exact same thing that was beaten to death in the post below theirs. I go onto the forums because I wish to see interesting posts and threads, but instead what I get are hundreds of posts relating to balance (it's been discussed to death, no further discussion needed, PERIOD), or how much NS sucks now (are you kidding me? Go play a game of ns, then go play a game of cs, or fa, or dod, or monkeystrike, or pvk, and tell me NS isn't INFINITELY better), or the opposites on how it doesn't suck (flamebait), or how it's not imbalanced (ignorant flamebait). Wading through this stuff every day seems pointless, and I've personally seen many many members decide not to come around anymore because of that fact. Your "back button theory works well in some situations where there's a few threads to back out of, but here it's the opposite, you have to back out of just about every thread. That's why I love the Safe Box thread.... (speaking of which, I'm going to go find it and bump it up), it was like an oasis in the desert.
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--fo sheezy my neezy+Aug 19 2003, 12:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (fo sheezy my neezy @ Aug 19 2003, 12:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I formally request that any threads about 2.0 balance, the lack of, the solution to, etc, be locked as soon as they're seen (unless they happen to have new info, which they most likely won't). I posted basically this same post, but in reply to another thread, and I'm making it formal. It's so hard to come back when you have to wade through 2-3 pages of "balance" threads that say nothing more than all the other threads over the past few weeks. It used to be that we could come here and discuss the game, the fun things, the annoying things, the great games we had, etc. Now it's all 100% flame-bait. Let me sum up the arguments:

    1) NS is balanced
    2) NS is unbalanced
    3) Marines have the advantage
    4) Kharaa have the advantage
    5) Marines need a good comm and good grunts
    6) It doesn't matter what the marines have, they'll loose to any semi-organized alien team
    7) Nade spam and turret farming is annoying
    8) There are ways to avoid and/or decimate nade-spammed turret farms
    9) Aliens expand too quickly
    10) Natural-Selection isn't what it used to be so I quit

    I think I hit most if not all of the major topics, and any of them by themself is not bad, but when there are 3 variations of each of those as new threads every day, it's really getting old. Everyone should know by now that there are beta patches out that HELP equalize things. They're not perfect, but 2.01b is a great start. We all should know that the team is working on the balance, and we all should know that just about every argument about 2.0 balance has been thrown into a thread and debated to death from all sides. I'm respectfully asking you, the forum admins and moderators, to lock such threads. Please. For the love of our sanity. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Amen.

    On that note, I'm still doing my bit to stem the rising tide of whining idiocy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Im_F4Im_F4 Join Date: 2003-08-18 Member: 19918Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--fo sheezy my neezy+Aug 19 2003, 01:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (fo sheezy my neezy @ Aug 19 2003, 01:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the main point to my post is that it's getting harder and harder to come back to the forums. I really want to hear about the awesome games people played <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well soon as the balance issues are dealt with thats what you will get but for now you get what NS 2.0 is like for marines: aliens get their self-gratification while marines lay on the other side of the bed frustrated. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    don't bring it here please, this isn't flamebait, this isn't about balance. We realize that there are issues with balance, and we're not disputing that. You're attitude of "this is what it is and you'll just have to deal with it" is VERY immature, and I'd appreciate it if you would keep it out of this thread. Feel free to post here if you have something constructive to say, but keep it constructive please.
  • MaredtextMaredtext Join Date: 2003-08-18 Member: 19899Members
    edited August 2003
    fo sheezy my neezy, do you have full control of your mouse sir?

    I seem to have no problem controling my mouse and simply not clicking on topics that I don't want to read about. Not sure exactly what your problem could possibly be... perhaps some sort of new virus that auto clicks topics that you don't want to read?

    Regardless of the reason I would recommend that you get either get a new mouse or a virus scanner to fix the problem asap so that you won't be reduced to whining to admins about locking posts that other forum members (might I point out at this time that your opinion that these posts should be locked is of no greater value than that of the people who want to post them) have felt inclined to submit.

    Please be sure to inform all of us if you manage to get your clicking problem fixed so that those few other people that seem to suffer from this same problem can remedy their situation as well.

    P.S. "You're attitude of "this is what it is and you'll just have to deal with it" is VERY immature, and I'd appreciate it if you would keep it out of this thread. Feel free to post here if you have something constructive to say, but keep it constructive please."

    Your above quote I find to be extemely ironic especialy coming from someone who was just attempting to get admins to lock posts that contain other peoples opinions (no mater how trivial they may be) on a public forum. Not only was that attempt immature, but it was also unconstructive both traits that you manage to ignore in yourself but accuse this other gentleman of. Very amusing.
  • SuBSuB AusNS Forum Admin Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13723Members
    Yeh, I think to give everyone some credit it's getting slightly better though... less "OMG WHAT W3R3 YOU TH1NKING???" threads and some more with serious discussions about the various in and outs.

    As much as the 'whiners' **** me off, they're are some merrit in the argument that they care a lot and want to see any percieved issues they may have fixed.
  • CyberopticCyberoptic Join Date: 2003-08-12 Member: 19573Members
    I'm rather new at the forums, but I must admit that I have to, literally, wade through posts that are all basically the same thing. Alienz own, shotty is overpowered, etc... you get the idea. Most certainly It's their opinion, but at least they could have enough decence to post it all on ONE thread, not twenty...
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    NS <b>is</b> unbalanced
    You may now lock <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SoberanaSoberana Join Date: 2003-06-25 Member: 17695Members
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Epidemic+Aug 19 2003, 06:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Aug 19 2003, 06:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NS <b>is</b> unbalanced
    You may now lock  <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • kuperayekuperaye Join Date: 2003-03-14 Member: 14519Members, Constellation
    NS is <b>NOT</b> unbalanced


    i dont like the redemption devour thing but hey its in the game get over it they ever cool devs of ns put it in there for a reason everyone has to bicker about some crap about games...

    so by locking or deleting all the topics fo shezzy said will prolly be a really good thing...

    i also like to say i like marines cuz of the good teamwork involved.... so nothing needs nerfing in my eyes i like 2.0 as is and maybe 2.1a would satisfy me
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
  • Cheez1Cheez1 Join Date: 2003-01-28 Member: 12900Members
    edited August 2003
    As MonsE once said after crushing our alien team wtih a shotty rush on RR.org server, and laughing manically:

    "Oh yeah, those aliens are REAL overpowered ah ha ha ha."
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    Shotguns <b>are</b> overpowered.
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    I have taken no stance in this argument in this thread other than to ask all around for a cease-fire. Every argument has been heard. Don't put word in my mouth.
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--DXO+Aug 18 2003, 11:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DXO @ Aug 18 2003, 11:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> cant argue too much, im sure we're all doing everything we can to preserve your sanity and ours.. so no worries it'll get better <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Can we all just pretend we went back in time to when DXO posted this, so we can all just get along? We and I will do what we think is best, and all that we ask in return is that when you're about to make a new post or thread, try to do the same. And as much as I'd like not to, this thread is getting<span style='color:orange'>*locked*</span> so as not to get bumped up again for mindless, one-line "but it <i>is</i>/<i>isn't</i> unbalanced!" posts.
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