I'm not saying "open the discussion forum" but, to be brutally honest, you (you being "the admin" not you specifically) have nipped each and every potential discussion in the bud (the g4y marriages thread, for example), but then continued to have a full blown discussion on your own.
I'm not trying to stir up stuff or create bad blood or anything, but you do seem to have double-standards on the matter <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jul 15 2003, 06:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jul 15 2003, 06:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For the last time, the mods/admins are discussing (ironic, isn't it?) its future, but even if the decision was positive, we'd be insane to open yet another forum during or shortly after 2.0s release. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Also if I may add, discussion aren't what got the discussion forums closed. Flame wars, whining, petty insults, yet more flames, racist comments, yet more whining, and even more flames is what shut them down.
Having well rounded constructive discussion has never been frowned upon, and there have been 2 decent discussion topics posted today, so maybe the forums are maturing a little?
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jul 15 2003, 06:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jul 15 2003, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Salty+Jul 15 2003, 11:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salty @ Jul 15 2003, 11:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thats not true, when you take what industry, education level, and exsperience into acount its not 75%. The latest study I read where they didn't take all those into account had it at women making 83% anyways. I doubt the thing about blacks even more. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A full 8% less injustice? I'll have to rewrite all my posts...
Note that I was talking about a statistic from Germany here. No idea about the American figures. The Black/White study is credible as far as I know, though. It's late, so allow me to search the sourceregister of the book I got it from tomorrow. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What I was getting at is if that study didn't take those things into factor and it is less of a diffrence then what did that study take into acount?
injustice? Whats injustice if some women earn less? Wouldn't it be injustice to give them what they didn't earn?
Its like the blacks get denied loans because of racism. Yet when you take into account things like blacks have a higher average of greater debt burdens, poorer credit histories, sough loans covering a higher percentage of the value of the properties in question, were also more likely to seek to finance multiple-dwelling unites rather than single-family homes, and had lower incomes. Its something like a 83% turn down to 89% rate.
Think about a free market for a secound. Employeers want maximum profit. To do this they try and hire the cheapest help. They are competiting with other employeers however. So if Joe the employer wants the best workers he has higher salaries. If hes sexist and only highers men then he will not get the cheapest price because he has cut out some of his supply of employees. He will have to pay more because there are less supply its a supply and demand thing. Joe may be a sexist but money is more important then his agenda so he will higher women and pay what the market decides they should be paid. Same with minorities.
The one place this dosent apply is goverment where they don't have to worry about cost.
::esuna::, you'll notice that this is me being a bad apple. I tend to be more leninent than my fellow mods/admins in this respect - everyone has their soft spots, I guess - and can't keep my big mouth shut. If you want to hold those "double standards" against anyone, hold them against me acting on my own behalf. If people truly feel this is a problem, I'll have to close discussions until a final solution is being found.
[edit]Salty, I'm trying and trying to tell you my opinion about what you just posted in a nice way, but I can't find any, so apparently, I should go to bed. Good night, maybe think about how doing the exact same work and getting less money for it isn't unjust.[/edit]
[edit2]The 'rubbish' forum idea was proposed regularly and always discarded. No.[/edit2]
Do what a lot of forums do, and create a section purely for "Rubbish"
It may take up more Database storage, but tell ppl they can post whateva they want in there, and put a disclaimer at the beginning saying that this may be offensive to some ppl. Also if another topic in a different forum turns into a flame war, instead of locking it, and getting the ppl all **** off and starting another topic called "why is it gone" just move it into the "rubbish" forum
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jul 15 2003, 06:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jul 15 2003, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ::esuna::, you'll notice that this is me being a bad apple. I tend to be more leninent than my fellow mods/admins in this respect - everyone has their soft spots, I guess - and can't keep my big mouth shut. If you want to hold those "double standards" against anyone, hold them against me acting on my own behalf. If people truly feel this is a problem, I'll have to close discussions until a final solution is being found. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't get me wrong, i want discussions, i do like them, but i am just a mere forumite so i sit here and obey whatever i'm told by the admins, and when you're told by one admin that discussions are forbidden, and another's actively taking part in one, it's hard to make your own judgement on whether or not to post a new discussion or whatever.
We all have out vices though mate <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jul 15 2003, 06:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jul 15 2003, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [edit]Salty, I'm trying and trying to tell you my opinion about what you just posted in a nice way, but I can't find any, so apparently, I should go to bed. Good night, maybe think about how doing the exact same work and getting less money for it isn't unjust.[/edit]
[edit2]The 'rubbish' forum idea was proposed regularly and always discarded. No.[/edit2] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm showing you thats it not exactly the same work.
well move all the **** users to my forum, i'd rather have annoying users than no users at all <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
moultanoCreator of ns_shiva.Join Date: 2002-12-14Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
I think theres enough of a distinction. **** marriage is a subject that many people have a religious opinion on, and as a result its much more difficult to discuss that affirmative action or feminism, which are fairly secular mundane issues by comparison.
<!--QuoteBegin--Salty+Jul 15 2003, 11:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salty @ Jul 15 2003, 11:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm showing you thats it not exactly the same work. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Damn you, I want to go TO BED <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The study simply compared standard payment of several big German corps, p.e. Daimler Chrysler, and showed that female employees were averagely recieving 75% of the payment males in their positions did. <i>Same positions</i>. Thus, equal or at least comparable qualifications, and, more importantly, the same work.
The issues you factored in just don't play a role in that comparision.
Ok, I am going to talk in laymen terms and such. Expert I am not at this issue, but some knowledge I do contain. If there was one belief that would be my strongest, it would have to be equality. Being a minority (asian) in Canada, I have had friends ranging from white, black, middle-eastern, and jewish.
I saw a show about affirmative action and it was quite interesting how minorities are likely more accepted than the white population, even if they have the same credentials. To my surprise, the minority in this show had less credentials than this white female, who had an extremely good background. It bothers me to see this kind of action (reminds me of the French-English relations in Canada).
Anyway IMHO it is getting a lot better these days. Even though the "white" people have had a nasty history on racism it is not happening anymore, because those ancestors of the past are no longer living and humans in general have learned from the past.
A major blocking stone is that western culture's pre-dominant image, especially in the media, is that of white descent and same in any culture.
Whatever, I just think that people should forget about all the bad racist things done in history and work towards something better.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jul 15 2003, 07:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jul 15 2003, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Salty+Jul 15 2003, 11:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salty @ Jul 15 2003, 11:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm showing you thats it not exactly the same work. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Damn you, I want to go TO BED <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The study simply compared standard payment of several big German corps, p.e. Daimler Chrysler, and showed that female employees were averagely recieving 75% of the payment males in their positions did. <i>Same positions</i>. Thus, equal or at least comparable qualifications, and, more importantly, the same work.
The issues you factored in just don't play a role in that comparision. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Go to bed then its not the forum is not gonna be here tommarow. Maybe Chrhystler is a buncha sexist I dunno Im not german. Maybe it also is regulated so It dosent have to deal with supply and demand i havent a clue.
A lot of people in this forums are saying that woman are smarter than men. I dont think this is true almost everygirl in my class isn't that bright. But wait NOONE in my class is that bright. I think there are like 4 smart kids in our school 2 of which are girls and 2 of which are boys. So i guess its equal and now that I think about most of the boys are even dumber than the girls. AHHG I ENDED UP CONTRADICTING MYSELF. Not again consarnit (cant use swears heheh)
Actually, in NZ we had a national televised IQ test. It was pretty interesting and the IQ of men and women showed that men had a higher average IQ of 109 compared to 103 for women (Nation). It was pretty funny actually. Of course, 6 pts of difference doesn't actually make a damn difference and probably means that both sexes are relatively equal in the end.
<!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Jul 14 2003, 03:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Jul 14 2003, 03:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What I hate is the Women who want Equal Rights but never do anything with them! Example: <b>Some Bi#@H</b> Complains about how men can bare their naked chests in public and women can't.. she yells SEXEST and Boom other Power hungry women demand that they be allowed to go topless in public also. Do you see Men complaining.. NO, go for it we are saying. They WIN and they are allowed to go topless, but after a week of freedom from shirts, what do they do... They realise that the only reason to wear a **** is to keep men from looking at your naked brests and they all cover back up. SO WTH was the Point of Causing all that **** when you don't even want to take off your shirt in the end?
Example: Woman want to be in the military, don't get me wrong, good for them, about time they stopped sitting at home and went out and got killed instead of us for once! But then you read about how some Women in the military didn't want to go to Afganistan because they were afrade to die. WELL WAKE THE **** UP, you joined the millitary, these guys don't go around making wicker baskets and nitting all day, they kill people for a living! The only reason these **** joined is because they wanted to express there Feminimity, but now that they might die, all that crying seems to be to get out instead of get in.
Example: Femaile Cops, Have you ever seen a bigger bunch of MAN-Haters ever? These women want to be cops because they feel they have equal rights (and they do). They joined the acadimy and couldn't do the levels the males had to do, so what happened, they bitched and cryed till the standards were dropped to the point that you have 5 foot 2 inch women becomming cops. I'm sorry but Size matters when you are trying to take down a 6'8 drug adict. So now that they are placed in a cop car and let out in the mean streets, they **** about how they shouldn't be placed in such situations! THEN QUIT THE FORCE YOU STUPID ****!
Example: Female Construction workers, Good for you, you want to get your hands dirty and you have skills enough to build stuff also! Now the foreman tells you to take these 15 bags of Concreet up the the 3rd floor via that ladder, "But its too heavy" they whine.... WTH did you think you would be lifting, a dust buster and sweaping the work site. TAKE THAT freaking CONCREET AND GET UP THAT freaking LADDER!
If you can't keep up, Shut Up! Some thing are better set for men to do, somethings are better set for women to do. I am in no way a sexest, I think everyone has a fair chance, its the women who **** and cry to get there way or fight for Womens rights but can't contribute to the cause once its won, that I have a problem with! You want to make a big sceen, then Live with the results of all your hard work. I know the Majority of women don't complain and can do even better than some men, but its the few that are like the ones in my example that serve no use in this world!
^_^ <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hello again Majin. You should know I agree with you, even though you need to work out a way to discuss this without all the yelling <i>(excessive caps)</i> And along those lines some other treatment/therapy. Releasing anger on forums is a good theraputic activity, I know, but it's not always the best way. And some admins don't like it...
There are some men in this world whom are just as dumb about things like that, the whole job requirements thing. And women whom fight for poor jobs just because they think that the industry/business/service is sexist are just plain dumb. It does get worse when they lower the standard to let 'certain people' get through. Because in the long-run you aren't helping these people or the people they are working to help/please. Lowering the bar seems to have become a past-time activity in this country. That's why it's always such a shock when your boss looks at you and says "It's time to raise the bar."
Roughly the fault for low job standards doesn't lye with any one ethnicity or gender, the blame falls on the nation as a whole. Very few of us have bothered to rise above these poor standards, yay for them. We're, you know, the people who talk in full sentences and don't use words like "R0x0r j00r b0x0r" on a regular basis. Oh yeah, we do vote and we don't watch DBZ <i>(anymore)</i> And even though we know that our current president is an idiot we support him still because he is the leader none the less. Plus when he smiles you can't help but be reminded of a cute monkey you saw on the discovery channel.
Maybe I did get a bit out of control! Its just funny because I was having a heated debate with a female friend of mine and she was saying that women should be able to do antything that a man should do, but there are some jobs that trust me, women should be happy they don't do. Like Cut the lawn on a 120 degree day. Or Work in a Mine! or be Doormen. Who wants to be a door man? Women today are as equal as they ever have been, but there are time where you need to draw the line and say, Heres what the men have to do, if you can't do the same, I'm sorry thats too bad for you. EXAMPLE: Navy Seals, are all men, because the level of training has to be set so high that only the top % will make it, and most women can't reach that percent, hell most men can't make it, so it just goes to show you what I mean.
Sorry If I seemed a bit CRAZY <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited July 2003
Wow. This is just so damn funny.
I swear...
I left this post for dead, thinking I was going to kill my reputation with it.
Little did I know that it would end up my best yet...
But to elaborate on WHY women are better than men: They are smart enough to train a man. Its as simple as that. The only way men can train a woman is by hurting her, or saying bad things to her or something like that.
The right kind of woman can get a hold of any man.
While I personally am not the "usual" type of guy, its not that I hate them either.
I too have been prejudiced in my life, like many of the white hetero males have in this thread.
I too, am a white hetero. And proud.
But see, MOST(note: this doesn't mean you HAVE to be) white hetero guys are either A: interested in getting in the girl's pants, and during sex, probably wouldn't remember their name, or B: Like prostitutes for those nights alone.
And no, I'm not kidding. I have friends at my HIGH SCHOOL(me sophomore now, no more fresh, yayyyY) that have sex with a different girl every day, or every 2 days, just cause they know how to fool them well.
I personally am the kind of guy girls always ask "why can't I meet?". I'm not bragging here, mostly cause while it is something to brag about, it also isn't. Most guys consider it that if your like me, a guy who would rather talk with a woman, a good, long talk, rather than have sex with her. I don't know. Maybe I'm low on testosterone, or something...
But back on to MY topic. I'd like to say: I forgot about this thread, and came back today to make another topic. But I'm gonna keep talking about this with you guys. This is the kind of forum I always dreamed of...and they just had to take it away.(discussion. I wasn't here when discussion was on).
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Maybe I did get a bit out of control! Its just funny because I was having a heated debate with a female friend of mine and she was saying that women should be able to do antything that a man should do, but there are some jobs that trust me, women should be happy they don't do. Like Cut the lawn on a 120 degree day. Or Work in a Mine! or be Doormen. Who wants to be a door man? Women today are as equal as they ever have been, but there are time where you need to draw the line and say, Heres what the men have to do, if you can't do the same, I'm sorry thats too bad for you. EXAMPLE: Navy Seals, are all men, because the level of training has to be set so high that only the top % will make it, and most women can't reach that percent, hell most men can't make it, so it just goes to show you what I mean.
Sorry If I seemed a bit CRAZY<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This and your other post are 100% right. I just HAD to say something about this. And this actually raises another question... about women. But, note before I say this, nothing here is a insult, just the way things seem to be going.
As Majin said, there are some jobs women just can't do. Thats my reason, that I would only support a female president once. And thats just to prove that women have equal rights. Or will...cause even I know that they still don't make as much as us.
But see, the thing is, a woman president couldn't handle the position.
And I actually exited my house JUST TO TEST this one.(note: I haven't exited my house at all until now all summer).
I asked them directly, "If you were president, would you go to war, at all?"
I asked 82 women. Took a long time. 92% said, "No, there is always a way besides war, its so barbaric!". Thats right. Now, as every man knows, war is a required thing. It is molded into the mind of the average human being. Its like we were MADE for war. But women just won't do it. That is very bad.
And as majin said, physical jobs are bad.
Another thing is, there WAS ONCE a female navy seal. She lasted about 2 weeks. She had 3 missions. She dropped out not because she was physically inadequate or something like that, but because her emotions got in the way.
Feelings are very important to a woman. Too important. They cloud judgement. Thats just how it is.
I'm gonna re-edit this post again later, and add more. Either that or just plain post again. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Women are different from each other and Men are different from each other. Both have different stereotypical roles they grow up in and never question. Men don't wear woman's underwear. Why? Because it's just not done even though most underwhere is basically the same except in thread design between different sexs' underwear. If someone grew up in a society where it was all opposite, E.G. men wear bras, they would never question it. Why? Because it just isn't done.
AllUrHiveRblong2usBy Your Powers Combined...Join Date: 2002-12-20Member: 11244Members
edited July 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Jul 16 2003, 09:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jul 16 2003, 09:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As Majin said, there are some jobs women just can't do. Thats my reason, that I would only support a female president once. And thats just to prove that women have equal rights. Or will...cause even I know that they still don't make as much as us.
But see, the thing is, a woman president couldn't handle the position.
And I actually exited my house JUST TO TEST this one.(note: I haven't exited my house at all until now all summer).
I asked them directly, "If you were president, would you go to war, at all?"
I asked 82 women. Took a long time. 92% said, "No, there is always a way besides war, its so barbaric!". Thats right. Now, as every man knows, war is a required thing. It is molded into the mind of the average human being. Its like we were MADE for war. But women just won't do it. That is very bad. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Does this mean that women are unqualified, or that men have been doing it the wrong way for 200 and some odd years?
You say that war is "molded into the mind of the average human being" but according to your own results, that is obviously a falshood. It may be molded into the mind of the average man, but since we have been in control up until now it has simply seemed as though everyone wanted war. And it's not as if all men are bloodthirsty wolves, ready to rip apart their enemies given the chance, but it is true that we are on the whole more violent. Now, who would you rather have laed you? The guy with a gun in one hand and a prclomation of war in the other, or the woman who says "let's talk things out".
And what is wrong with trying a new way of governing that is non-violent anyway? You look at peace as a weakness, whereas others may look at war as a weakness. Is it possible that there are other ways to solve our problems than shooting those problems until they're bleeding on the new rug?
<!--QuoteBegin--AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Jul 16 2003, 01:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jul 16 2003, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Jul 16 2003, 09:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jul 16 2003, 09:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As Majin said, there are some jobs women just can't do. Thats my reason, that I would only support a female president once. And thats just to prove that women have equal rights. Or will...cause even I know that they still don't make as much as us.
But see, the thing is, a woman president couldn't handle the position.
And I actually exited my house JUST TO TEST this one.(note: I haven't exited my house at all until now all summer).
I asked them directly, "If you were president, would you go to war, at all?"
I asked 82 women. Took a long time. 92% said, "No, there is always a way besides war, its so barbaric!". Thats right. Now, as every man knows, war is a required thing. It is molded into the mind of the average human being. Its like we were MADE for war. But women just won't do it. That is very bad. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Does this mean that women are unqualified, or that men have been doing it the wrong way for 200 and some odd years?
You say that war is "molded into the mind of the average human being" but according to your own results, that is obviously a falshood. It may be molded into the mind of the average man, but since we have been in control up until now it has simply seemed as though everyone wanted war. And it's not as if all men are bloodthirsty wolves, ready to rip apart their enemies given the chance, but it is true that we are on the whole more violent. Now, who would you rather have laed you? The guy with a gun in one hand and a prclomation of war in the other, or the woman who says "let's talk things out".
And what is wrong with trying a new way of governing that is non-violent anyway? You look at peace as a weakness, whereas others may look at war as a weakness. Is it possible that there are other ways to solve our problems than shooting those problems until they're bleeding on the new rug? <b>Typical white male American perspective on things.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> that really insulted me don't flame an entire race of people regardless is there a minority or not. Would a moderator have let you say "Typical black perspective on things"?
<!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Jul 16 2003, 09:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jul 16 2003, 09:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They are smart enough to train a man. Its as simple as that. The only way men can train a woman is by hurting her, or saying bad things to her or something like that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Doesn't that say more about the accommodating nature of men and the stubbornness of women than about "smartness"???
AllUrHiveRblong2usBy Your Powers Combined...Join Date: 2002-12-20Member: 11244Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Brave Ulysses+Jul 16 2003, 03:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brave Ulysses @ Jul 16 2003, 03:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Quaunaut+Jul 16 2003, 09:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jul 16 2003, 09:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They are smart enough to train a man. Its as simple as that. The only way men can train a woman is by hurting her, or saying bad things to her or something like that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Doesn't that say more about the accommodating nature of men and the stubbornness of women than about "smartness"??? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It says more about the stereotypical view of Quanaut than about anything.
Bottom line when it comes to femenism in my opinion is this: Women are individuals and there are women who are going to get naked for money and there are women who will marry older men for money and there are women who are content staying at home as a mother and not working and there are women who want to be single and have a sucessful career.
I don't see why femenists try to make big deals of these things as it won't change the minds of the women stripping, goldiging, mothering, etc.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But to elaborate on WHY women are better than men: They are smart enough to train a man. Its as simple as that. The only way men can train a woman is by hurting her, or saying bad things to her or something like that.
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I can't really agree with that sort of comment. Sure, some women may be able to "train" men, but does this make them better? Women are simply much more relationally focused than men are, thus, are able to get mroe of a feel for another person's needs and wants, allowing them to exploit them. Does this make them better? I think more adept to this certain situation would be a better wording than anything else.
We were built to fulfill vastly different roles, women's emotional side comes into effect when building relationships, while a man's ability to focus on a single project until it is completed allows for a higher degree of efficiency. Neither is better than the other, just different.
The problem arises in a society, such as ours, that prides itself in efficiency, and as an extention of that, rewards with praise those who can accumulate the most goods. Someone making minimum wage is almost never treated with the same respect of a CEO in our society.
Most of the problem, then, is not that "M3N ARE TEH BETTAR ROOFLES," it is that the society as a whole tends to reward our native gifts more than it does those of women.
The solution is simple: Realize that what society thinks doesn't freaking matter! You can be whoever you want to be in your own scope of the world. The friend of mine I respect the most doesn't make much money, but constantly devotes himself to the many people around him, making sure that any and all crises' in their lives are averted or, in the very least, assuaged.
Just change your outlook, everything will come together.
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited July 2003
I don't want to get hostile here Allyourhives, but honestly, you aren't understanding things. Maybe I'm posting too much like a writer here, because I'm requiring you to think a bit. Sorry.
But seriously here, I'll admit, men are more accomidating towards violence than women. Why? Because most were raised to be scared of violence or pain and the such. But at the same time, when a girl is with a guy, and another girl wants that guy, so she sleeps with him, what will the first girl do(note that that little story there was just a suggested idea)? She'll try and get that man back, by any means necessary. I said WAR itself was imbelished in all of us, and that includes 1 on 1 fighting. Women will fight JUST AS HARD as a man to get what they want.
Also, I look at both peace AND war as a weakness, because they are appropriate for different situations. All I was saying is that supposedly the women wouldn't go into a war, no matter what, even if (example country, sorry germans) germany came back and nuked us. Why? Because women are raised to believe in pacifism. But just remember, HUMANS will fight for things no matter what. If someone tries to kill them, they're eventually going to fight back. If they're starving, they'll eat anything. Fighting isn't only in a physical sense, even if that is where it is mostly.
And just to let you know, everyone has a stereotypical view of something. Even you. I'll admit: I have a stereotype. Know what it is? That men tend to be downright stupider than women(note the TEND. As...err....somebody said earlier, women tend to be smarter, but have less a chance at genius), and in the end, wisdom and knowledge will win a fight where strength won't. Resulting in women being better than men. But ITS MY OPINION. IF ITS NOT YOURS, FINE. I just think so.
One more thing: I would pick the woman saying "Lets talk things out". BUT- if we were being oppressed in ANY way, I would pick the man. Why? Because when it comes down to it, we are willing to sacrifice whats needed, while women tend to say "Talk things out" till the bitter end, which all that does is annoy the attacker.
Please. THINK about what I said before posting. Read it several times. I've had a lot of time to think about these kinds of things, and I know that I'm not exactly what everyone...wants(?).
PS(I hate doing these): Legionnaired I think is pretty right in this situation, which is mostly what I have been trying to point out. That its MY opinion/view that women are better. And just to say this: CALM DOWN AllUrHiveRBelong2Us, this is a forum, where opinions rule. Thats how it is. Have a great day(non-sarcastically).
<!--QuoteBegin--AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Jul 16 2003, 01:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jul 16 2003, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You say that war is "molded into the mind of the average human being" but according to your own results, that is obviously a falshood. It may be molded into the mind of the average man, but since we have been in control up until now it has simply seemed as though everyone wanted war. And it's not as if all men are bloodthirsty wolves, ready to rip apart their enemies given the chance, but it is true that we are on the whole more violent. Now, who would you rather have laed you? The guy with a gun in one hand and a prclomation of war in the other, or the woman who says "let's talk things out". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Apparently you have never had a Latino girlfriend. Everyone who's had one knows what I mean, they help you fight people. Specially women, "Hey, you trying to pick up my man ****? Well step on or I'll violate you're ****." If a guy starts kicking your **** and she is nearby you have a 70/30 chance of her jumping in and helping you. Not all women are pacifists, some of them like to put the hurt down on people. Take the same situations with a white girl, you have a 70/30 chance of her running away screaming "Help! They're gonna kill him!" and yet again with an African-American woman she'll stand there and say "**** if you can't take care of yaself you ain't my man." Then do the hand and walk away while they steal your wallet.
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<!--QuoteBegin--PerfectionsFlaw+Jul 16 2003, 06:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (PerfectionsFlaw @ Jul 16 2003, 06:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Jul 16 2003, 01:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jul 16 2003, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You say that war is "molded into the mind of the average human being" but according to your own results, that is obviously a falshood. It may be molded into the mind of the average man, but since we have been in control up until now it has simply seemed as though everyone wanted war. And it's not as if all men are bloodthirsty wolves, ready to rip apart their enemies given the chance, but it is true that we are on the whole more violent. Now, who would you rather have laed you? The guy with a gun in one hand and a prclomation of war in the other, or the woman who says "let's talk things out". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Apparently you have never had a Latino girlfriend. Everyone who's had one knows what I mean, they help you fight people. Specially women, "Hey, you trying to pick up my man ****? Well step on or I'll violate you're ****." If a guy starts kicking your **** and she is nearby you have a 70/30 chance of her jumping in and helping you. Not all women are pacifists, some of them like to put the hurt down on people. Take the same situations with a white girl, you have a 70/30 chance of her running away screaming "Help! They're gonna kill him!" and yet again with an African-American woman she'll stand there and say "**** if you can't take care of yaself you ain't my man." Then do the hand and walk away while they steal your wallet. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I wqas just going off of his information.
This is kinda not on the side of things, but I found this on msn.com
(Sorry I can't quote properly)
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A paintball manufacturer and advocates for women are expressing outrage that a Las Vegas company claims to be charging men up to $10,000 to use the non-lethal but dangerous weapons to shoot naked women racing through the sagebrush. But a creator of the ¡°Hunting for Bambi¡± game on Wednesday defended the enterprise as good, clean fun for ¡°guys who thought they had done everything.¡±<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So what do you think about this? Paintball guns hurt, but they won't kill.
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I'm not trying to stir up stuff or create bad blood or anything, but you do seem to have double-standards on the matter <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also if I may add, discussion aren't what got the discussion forums closed. Flame wars, whining, petty insults, yet more flames, racist comments, yet more whining, and even more flames is what shut them down.
Having well rounded constructive discussion has never been frowned upon, and there have been 2 decent discussion topics posted today, so maybe the forums are maturing a little?
A full 8% less injustice? I'll have to rewrite all my posts...
Note that I was talking about a statistic from Germany here. No idea about the American figures. The Black/White study is credible as far as I know, though. It's late, so allow me to search the sourceregister of the book I got it from tomorrow. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What I was getting at is if that study didn't take those things into factor and it is less of a diffrence then what did that study take into acount?
injustice? Whats injustice if some women earn less? Wouldn't it be injustice to give them what they didn't earn?
Its like the blacks get denied loans because of racism. Yet when you take into account things like blacks have a higher average of greater debt burdens, poorer credit histories, sough loans covering a higher percentage of the value of the properties in question, were also more likely to seek to finance multiple-dwelling unites rather than single-family homes, and had lower incomes. Its something like a 83% turn down to 89% rate.
Think about a free market for a secound. Employeers want maximum profit. To do this they try and hire the cheapest help. They are competiting with other employeers however. So if Joe the employer wants the best workers he has higher salaries. If hes sexist and only highers men then he will not get the cheapest price because he has cut out some of his supply of employees. He will have to pay more because there are less supply its a supply and demand thing. Joe may be a sexist but money is more important then his agenda so he will higher women and pay what the market decides they should be paid. Same with minorities.
The one place this dosent apply is goverment where they don't have to worry about cost.
[edit]Salty, I'm trying and trying to tell you my opinion about what you just posted in a nice way, but I can't find any, so apparently, I should go to bed. Good night, maybe think about how doing the exact same work and getting less money for it isn't unjust.[/edit]
[edit2]The 'rubbish' forum idea was proposed regularly and always discarded. No.[/edit2]
Do what a lot of forums do, and create a section purely for "Rubbish"
It may take up more Database storage, but tell ppl they can post whateva they want in there, and put a disclaimer at the beginning saying that this may be offensive to some ppl. Also if another topic in a different forum turns into a flame war, instead of locking it, and getting the ppl all **** off and starting another topic called "why is it gone" just move it into the "rubbish" forum
Just a suggestion
Don't get me wrong, i want discussions, i do like them, but i am just a mere forumite so i sit here and obey whatever i'm told by the admins, and when you're told by one admin that discussions are forbidden, and another's actively taking part in one, it's hard to make your own judgement on whether or not to post a new discussion or whatever.
We all have out vices though mate <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
[edit2]The 'rubbish' forum idea was proposed regularly and always discarded. No.[/edit2] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm showing you thats it not exactly the same work.
Damn you, I want to go TO BED <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The study simply compared standard payment of several big German corps, p.e. Daimler Chrysler, and showed that female employees were averagely recieving 75% of the payment males in their positions did. <i>Same positions</i>. Thus, equal or at least comparable qualifications, and, more importantly, the same work.
The issues you factored in just don't play a role in that comparision.
I saw a show about affirmative action and it was quite interesting how minorities are likely more accepted than the white population, even if they have the same credentials. To my surprise, the minority in this show had less credentials than this white female, who had an extremely good background. It bothers me to see this kind of action (reminds me of the French-English relations in Canada).
Anyway IMHO it is getting a lot better these days. Even though the "white" people have had a nasty history on racism it is not happening anymore, because those ancestors of the past are no longer living and humans in general have learned from the past.
A major blocking stone is that western culture's pre-dominant image, especially in the media, is that of white descent and same in any culture.
Whatever, I just think that people should forget about all the bad racist things done in history and work towards something better.
Eventually, we will all assimilate into one race.
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The study simply compared standard payment of several big German corps, p.e. Daimler Chrysler, and showed that female employees were averagely recieving 75% of the payment males in their positions did. <i>Same positions</i>. Thus, equal or at least comparable qualifications, and, more importantly, the same work.
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Go to bed then its not the forum is not gonna be here tommarow. Maybe Chrhystler is a buncha sexist I dunno Im not german. Maybe it also is regulated so It dosent have to deal with supply and demand i havent a clue.
Example:
<b>Some Bi#@H</b> Complains about how men can bare their naked chests in public and women can't.. she yells SEXEST and Boom other Power hungry women demand that they be allowed to go topless in public also. Do you see Men complaining.. NO, go for it we are saying.
They WIN and they are allowed to go topless, but after a week of freedom from shirts, what do they do... They realise that the only reason to wear a **** is to keep men from looking at your naked brests and they all cover back up. SO WTH was the Point of Causing all that **** when you don't even want to take off your shirt in the end?
Example: Woman want to be in the military, don't get me wrong, good for them, about time they stopped sitting at home and went out and got killed instead of us for once! But then you read about how some Women in the military didn't want to go to Afganistan because they were afrade to die. WELL WAKE THE **** UP, you joined the millitary, these guys don't go around making wicker baskets and nitting all day, they kill people for a living! The only reason these **** joined is because they wanted to express there Feminimity, but now that they might die, all that crying seems to be to get out instead of get in.
Example: Femaile Cops, Have you ever seen a bigger bunch of MAN-Haters ever? These women want to be cops because they feel they have equal rights (and they do). They joined the acadimy and couldn't do the levels the males had to do, so what happened, they bitched and cryed till the standards were dropped to the point that you have 5 foot 2 inch women becomming cops. I'm sorry but Size matters when you are trying to take down a 6'8 drug adict. So now that they are placed in a cop car and let out in the mean streets, they **** about how they shouldn't be placed in such situations! THEN QUIT THE FORCE YOU STUPID ****!
Example: Female Construction workers, Good for you, you want to get your hands dirty and you have skills enough to build stuff also! Now the foreman tells you to take these 15 bags of Concreet up the the 3rd floor via that ladder, "But its too heavy" they whine.... WTH did you think you would be lifting, a dust buster and sweaping the work site. TAKE THAT freaking CONCREET AND GET UP THAT freaking LADDER!
If you can't keep up, Shut Up! Some thing are better set for men to do, somethings are better set for women to do.
I am in no way a sexest, I think everyone has a fair chance, its the women who **** and cry to get there way or fight for Womens rights but can't contribute to the cause once its won, that I have a problem with!
You want to make a big sceen, then Live with the results of all your hard work. I know the Majority of women don't complain and can do even better than some men, but its the few that are like the ones in my example that serve no use in this world!
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Hello again Majin. You should know I agree with you, even though you need to work out a way to discuss this without all the yelling <i>(excessive caps)</i> And along those lines some other treatment/therapy. Releasing anger on forums is a good theraputic activity, I know, but it's not always the best way. And some admins don't like it...
There are some men in this world whom are just as dumb about things like that, the whole job requirements thing. And women whom fight for poor jobs just because they think that the industry/business/service is sexist are just plain dumb. It does get worse when they lower the standard to let 'certain people' get through. Because in the long-run you aren't helping these people or the people they are working to help/please. Lowering the bar seems to have become a past-time activity in this country. That's why it's always such a shock when your boss looks at you and says "It's time to raise the bar."
Roughly the fault for low job standards doesn't lye with any one ethnicity or gender, the blame falls on the nation as a whole. Very few of us have bothered to rise above these poor standards, yay for them. We're, you know, the people who talk in full sentences and don't use words like "R0x0r j00r b0x0r" on a regular basis. Oh yeah, we do vote and we don't watch DBZ <i>(anymore)</i> And even though we know that our current president is an idiot we support him still because he is the leader none the less. Plus when he smiles you can't help but be reminded of a cute monkey you saw on the discovery channel.
Its just funny because I was having a heated debate with a female friend of mine and she was saying that women should be able to do antything that a man should do, but there are some jobs that trust me, women should be happy they don't do. Like Cut the lawn on a 120 degree day. Or Work in a Mine! or be Doormen. Who wants to be a door man?
Women today are as equal as they ever have been, but there are time where you need to draw the line and say, Heres what the men have to do, if you can't do the same, I'm sorry thats too bad for you.
EXAMPLE: Navy Seals, are all men, because the level of training has to be set so high that only the top % will make it, and most women can't reach that percent, hell most men can't make it, so it just goes to show you what I mean.
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I swear...
I left this post for dead, thinking I was going to kill my reputation with it.
Little did I know that it would end up my best yet...
But to elaborate on WHY women are better than men: They are smart enough to train a man. Its as simple as that. The only way men can train a woman is by hurting her, or saying bad things to her or something like that.
The right kind of woman can get a hold of any man.
While I personally am not the "usual" type of guy, its not that I hate them either.
I too have been prejudiced in my life, like many of the white hetero males have in this thread.
I too, am a white hetero. And proud.
But see, MOST(note: this doesn't mean you HAVE to be) white hetero guys are either A: interested in getting in the girl's pants, and during sex, probably wouldn't remember their name, or B: Like prostitutes for those nights alone.
And no, I'm not kidding. I have friends at my HIGH SCHOOL(me sophomore now, no more fresh, yayyyY) that have sex with a different girl every day, or every 2 days, just cause they know how to fool them well.
I personally am the kind of guy girls always ask "why can't I meet?". I'm not bragging here, mostly cause while it is something to brag about, it also isn't. Most guys consider it that if your like me, a guy who would rather talk with a woman, a good, long talk, rather than have sex with her. I don't know. Maybe I'm low on testosterone, or something...
But back on to MY topic. I'd like to say: I forgot about this thread, and came back today to make another topic. But I'm gonna keep talking about this with you guys. This is the kind of forum I always dreamed of...and they just had to take it away.(discussion. I wasn't here when discussion was on).
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Its just funny because I was having a heated debate with a female friend of mine and she was saying that women should be able to do antything that a man should do, but there are some jobs that trust me, women should be happy they don't do. Like Cut the lawn on a 120 degree day. Or Work in a Mine! or be Doormen. Who wants to be a door man?
Women today are as equal as they ever have been, but there are time where you need to draw the line and say, Heres what the men have to do, if you can't do the same, I'm sorry thats too bad for you.
EXAMPLE: Navy Seals, are all men, because the level of training has to be set so high that only the top % will make it, and most women can't reach that percent, hell most men can't make it, so it just goes to show you what I mean.
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This and your other post are 100% right. I just HAD to say something about this. And this actually raises another question... about women. But, note before I say this, nothing here is a insult, just the way things seem to be going.
As Majin said, there are some jobs women just can't do. Thats my reason, that I would only support a female president once. And thats just to prove that women have equal rights. Or will...cause even I know that they still don't make as much as us.
But see, the thing is, a woman president couldn't handle the position.
And I actually exited my house JUST TO TEST this one.(note: I haven't exited my house at all until now all summer).
I asked them directly, "If you were president, would you go to war, at all?"
I asked 82 women. Took a long time. 92% said, "No, there is always a way besides war, its so barbaric!". Thats right. Now, as every man knows, war is a required thing. It is molded into the mind of the average human being. Its like we were MADE for war. But women just won't do it. That is very bad.
And as majin said, physical jobs are bad.
Another thing is, there WAS ONCE a female navy seal. She lasted about 2 weeks. She had 3 missions. She dropped out not because she was physically inadequate or something like that, but because her emotions got in the way.
Feelings are very important to a woman. Too important. They cloud judgement. Thats just how it is.
I'm gonna re-edit this post again later, and add more. Either that or just plain post again. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
But see, the thing is, a woman president couldn't handle the position.
And I actually exited my house JUST TO TEST this one.(note: I haven't exited my house at all until now all summer).
I asked them directly, "If you were president, would you go to war, at all?"
I asked 82 women. Took a long time. 92% said, "No, there is always a way besides war, its so barbaric!". Thats right. Now, as every man knows, war is a required thing. It is molded into the mind of the average human being. Its like we were MADE for war. But women just won't do it. That is very bad. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Does this mean that women are unqualified, or that men have been doing it the wrong way for 200 and some odd years?
You say that war is "molded into the mind of the average human being" but according to your own results, that is obviously a falshood. It may be molded into the mind of the average man, but since we have been in control up until now it has simply seemed as though everyone wanted war. And it's not as if all men are bloodthirsty wolves, ready to rip apart their enemies given the chance, but it is true that we are on the whole more violent. Now, who would you rather have laed you? The guy with a gun in one hand and a prclomation of war in the other, or the woman who says "let's talk things out".
And what is wrong with trying a new way of governing that is non-violent anyway? You look at peace as a weakness, whereas others may look at war as a weakness. Is it possible that there are other ways to solve our problems than shooting those problems until they're bleeding on the new rug?
But see, the thing is, a woman president couldn't handle the position.
And I actually exited my house JUST TO TEST this one.(note: I haven't exited my house at all until now all summer).
I asked them directly, "If you were president, would you go to war, at all?"
I asked 82 women. Took a long time. 92% said, "No, there is always a way besides war, its so barbaric!". Thats right. Now, as every man knows, war is a required thing. It is molded into the mind of the average human being. Its like we were MADE for war. But women just won't do it. That is very bad. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Does this mean that women are unqualified, or that men have been doing it the wrong way for 200 and some odd years?
You say that war is "molded into the mind of the average human being" but according to your own results, that is obviously a falshood. It may be molded into the mind of the average man, but since we have been in control up until now it has simply seemed as though everyone wanted war. And it's not as if all men are bloodthirsty wolves, ready to rip apart their enemies given the chance, but it is true that we are on the whole more violent. Now, who would you rather have laed you? The guy with a gun in one hand and a prclomation of war in the other, or the woman who says "let's talk things out".
And what is wrong with trying a new way of governing that is non-violent anyway? You look at peace as a weakness, whereas others may look at war as a weakness. Is it possible that there are other ways to solve our problems than shooting those problems until they're bleeding on the new rug? <b>Typical white male American perspective on things.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
that really insulted me don't flame an entire race of people regardless is there a minority or not. Would a moderator have let you say "Typical black perspective on things"?
Useually I wouldn't because of the principle of the thing, but I'm not in the mood for a mod scolding today.
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Doesn't that say more about the accommodating nature of men and the stubbornness of women than about "smartness"???
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Doesn't that say more about the accommodating nature of men and the stubbornness of women than about "smartness"??? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It says more about the stereotypical view of Quanaut than about anything.
I don't see why femenists try to make big deals of these things as it won't change the minds of the women stripping, goldiging, mothering, etc.
The right kind of woman can get a hold of any man.
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I can't really agree with that sort of comment. Sure, some women may be able to "train" men, but does this make them better? Women are simply much more relationally focused than men are, thus, are able to get mroe of a feel for another person's needs and wants, allowing them to exploit them. Does this make them better? I think more adept to this certain situation would be a better wording than anything else.
We were built to fulfill vastly different roles, women's emotional side comes into effect when building relationships, while a man's ability to focus on a single project until it is completed allows for a higher degree of efficiency. Neither is better than the other, just different.
The problem arises in a society, such as ours, that prides itself in efficiency, and as an extention of that, rewards with praise those who can accumulate the most goods. Someone making minimum wage is almost never treated with the same respect of a CEO in our society.
Most of the problem, then, is not that "M3N ARE TEH BETTAR ROOFLES," it is that the society as a whole tends to reward our native gifts more than it does those of women.
The solution is simple:
Realize that what society thinks doesn't freaking matter! You can be whoever you want to be in your own scope of the world. The friend of mine I respect the most doesn't make much money, but constantly devotes himself to the many people around him, making sure that any and all crises' in their lives are averted or, in the very least, assuaged.
Just change your outlook, everything will come together.
But seriously here, I'll admit, men are more accomidating towards violence than women. Why? Because most were raised to be scared of violence or pain and the such. But at the same time, when a girl is with a guy, and another girl wants that guy, so she sleeps with him, what will the first girl do(note that that little story there was just a suggested idea)? She'll try and get that man back, by any means necessary. I said WAR itself was imbelished in all of us, and that includes 1 on 1 fighting. Women will fight JUST AS HARD as a man to get what they want.
Also, I look at both peace AND war as a weakness, because they are appropriate for different situations. All I was saying is that supposedly the women wouldn't go into a war, no matter what, even if (example country, sorry germans) germany came back and nuked us. Why? Because women are raised to believe in pacifism. But just remember, HUMANS will fight for things no matter what. If someone tries to kill them, they're eventually going to fight back. If they're starving, they'll eat anything. Fighting isn't only in a physical sense, even if that is where it is mostly.
And just to let you know, everyone has a stereotypical view of something. Even you. I'll admit: I have a stereotype. Know what it is? That men tend to be downright stupider than women(note the TEND. As...err....somebody said earlier, women tend to be smarter, but have less a chance at genius), and in the end, wisdom and knowledge will win a fight where strength won't. Resulting in women being better than men. But ITS MY OPINION. IF ITS NOT YOURS, FINE. I just think so.
One more thing: I would pick the woman saying "Lets talk things out". BUT- if we were being oppressed in ANY way, I would pick the man. Why? Because when it comes down to it, we are willing to sacrifice whats needed, while women tend to say "Talk things out" till the bitter end, which all that does is annoy the attacker.
Please. THINK about what I said before posting. Read it several times. I've had a lot of time to think about these kinds of things, and I know that I'm not exactly what everyone...wants(?).
PS(I hate doing these): Legionnaired I think is pretty right in this situation, which is mostly what I have been trying to point out. That its MY opinion/view that women are better. And just to say this: CALM DOWN AllUrHiveRBelong2Us, this is a forum, where opinions rule. Thats how it is. Have a great day(non-sarcastically).
Apparently you have never had a Latino girlfriend. Everyone who's had one knows what I mean, they help you fight people. Specially women, "Hey, you trying to pick up my man ****? Well step on or I'll violate you're ****." If a guy starts kicking your **** and she is nearby you have a 70/30 chance of her jumping in and helping you. Not all women are pacifists, some of them like to put the hurt down on people. Take the same situations with a white girl, you have a 70/30 chance of her running away screaming "Help! They're gonna kill him!" and yet again with an African-American woman she'll stand there and say "**** if you can't take care of yaself you ain't my man." Then do the hand and walk away while they steal your wallet.
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Apparently you have never had a Latino girlfriend. Everyone who's had one knows what I mean, they help you fight people. Specially women, "Hey, you trying to pick up my man ****? Well step on or I'll violate you're ****." If a guy starts kicking your **** and she is nearby you have a 70/30 chance of her jumping in and helping you. Not all women are pacifists, some of them like to put the hurt down on people. Take the same situations with a white girl, you have a 70/30 chance of her running away screaming "Help! They're gonna kill him!" and yet again with an African-American woman she'll stand there and say "**** if you can't take care of yaself you ain't my man." Then do the hand and walk away while they steal your wallet. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wqas just going off of his information.
(Sorry I can't quote properly)
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So what do you think about this? Paintball guns hurt, but they won't kill.