Illegal Operation

Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
<div class="IPBDescription">been happening for a while</div> Ok, I know I just made another post in this forum, but it seems that my HL problems are not over <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

Half-life will run fine.

Natural selection will not.

I get an illegal operation as follows:

HL caused an invalid page fault in
module <unknown> at 0000:00000001.
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=0177 EIP=00000001 EFLGS=00010206
EBX=0467d898 SS=017f ESP=0467d638 EBP=0467d698
ECX=0000002f DS=017f ESI=064dff9f FS=6877
EDX=00000006 ES=017f EDI=00000000 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
00 00 00 65 04 70 00 16 00 83 0c 65 04 70 00 65
Stack dump:
0c436c63 0c586b24 0c3f38c3 00000000 064dff9f 0467d898 0c424185 09ba159f 01dec748 01e07a44 01d10ad4 01deadf8 01de7b1c 01de7b64 01de7e08 01de6074

If I try and play even normal HL after one of these illegal operations, I will get the same crash, even though regular HL normally runs fine!

I should probably point out that this is the exact same problem I was having before. At first I tried re-installing HL, but it just got worse each time (ie, stopped working with regular HL, started giving the error 3 times instead of 1 e.t.c).

The reason I <i>thought</i> my problem was fixed was that I defragged my computer (hadn't done so for 6 months...) and re-installed HL. IT WORKED! So then I reinstalled NS.

It didn't work.

I <i>think</i> this could be because I didn't properly uninstall NS the last time, I deleted all the files but forgot to do Add/remove programs on it, so now its stuck in the Add/remove programs list and clicking it does nothing.

Ideas? Suggestions? Please? Pretty please?

Comments

  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    Bump0rz.

    Come on, somebody?

    MonsE? Anyone?

    /Me wants NS!
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    You are using Windows98/Me, aren't you? It is t3h p000p ('module <unknown> at 0000:00000001' - well that sure helps us out, Mr. OS).

    Ok, rather than spending a lot of time poking around, can you post your \NS\config.cfg file here (zipped, as a forum attachment)? we can take a look and see what's what.
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    edited June 2003
    Um, where would I find that?

    Like I said, regular HL works fine now that i've defragged, but NS does not. I think there may be some residual files left over (even though i've scoured the registry thorougly) which are causing it to go pear shaped.

    The other solution I considered was formatting my hard-drive, but that would lead to.... complications. I don't want to have to do that.

    I should probably test to see if other mods work...

    Oh, and i'm running win98.
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    Get XP Professional and end your nightmares, sounds like a memory leak, Windows 9.x (98 Particularly) has trouble managing more than 128MB of RAM, I belive.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nil_IQ+Jun 29 2003, 05:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Jun 29 2003, 05:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Um, where would I find that?

    Like I said, regular HL works fine now that i've defragged, but NS does not.

    I should probably test to see if other mods work...

    Oh, and i'm running win98. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, and this points us to a config.cfg issue.

    The config.cfg file is in your NS directory. So an example would be c:\sierra\half-life<b>\ns\config.cfg</b>. Zip that file and attach a copy up here for us to look at it.
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    Here it is, hope this tells you something usefull.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Hmmm... get me a copy of a config file from a working game that does not crash. I'd like to compare a few settings. Make sure it's one you are POSITIVE is not crashing, like vanilla HLDM, or CS, or something. Post it up here. Thanks.
  • th0r0nth0r0n Born again n00b Join Date: 2003-06-12 Member: 17313Members
    Why not just reinstall NS and remove it with add/remove programs again, then reinstall? or have i read something wrong :/
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    If he deleted the NS directory orginally as he said, he has basically already done an uninstall (minus the shortcuts, basically).
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    Well isn't THAT interesting.....

    It seems that NS will run just fine if I go into half-life and select it from custom games and THEN play. But not from the shortcut.....

    Im dloading DoD now to see if that behaves the same.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    *Which* shortcut? The one on the Start Menu?
  • th0r0nth0r0n Born again n00b Join Date: 2003-06-12 Member: 17313Members
    minus the shortcuts and the registry uninstall string :S

    I couldn't do that, the thought of having a unclean registry would kill me :/
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    hehe, monse just heard the word short cut, utoh <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    Well, ANY shortcut. (No, I am not using the desktop shortcut)

    It works if I start regular HL first, but not if I use the start menu shortcut.
  • InfinityInfinity And beyond&#33; Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 50Members
    I have win98 and 512mb RAM and i sometimes ever have memory problems..

    reinstall win98 is all i can say
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nil_IQ+Jul 1 2003, 05:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nil_IQ @ Jul 1 2003, 05:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, ANY shortcut. (No, I am not using the desktop shortcut)

    It works if I start regular HL first, but not if I use the start menu shortcut. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hmmmmm... have you made any changes to your shortcut parameters? Can you tell us what's on the commandline of your NS shortcut? (right-click the shortcut and choose properties, then copy and paste us the 'target' line with all its contents).
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    ARG! O.k, it DOES crash when I go through normal half-life... grrr..... why didn't it crash BEFORE???

    Maybe it was because I was playing regular HL before I tried NS? I don't know! AAARGH! Re-installing windows98 is starting to sound like the only option.

    I have the config file for "They hunger". That seems to work fine, if it helps you at all.
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    Now its doing it for regular half-life, my computer is falling apart!!!!

    Here is the config file for regular HL, which WORKED until a few seconds ago.....
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Bleh. The config files are virtually identical in the hardware settings, which is where this would be coming from... you could try setting in your NS config file:

    cl_musicenable 0
    cl_musicvolume 0

    And see if the MP3 loader is causing it. That's the only meaningful difference in this area... And if HL is crashing, my suggestion here isn;t likely to help, as HL does not have an MP3 loader like NS... Doh. Running low on suggestions here.
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    edited July 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Jul 1 2003, 01:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Jul 1 2003, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Running low on suggestions here. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I assume by that you mean you've run OUT of suggestions <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Oh well, I don't blame you. Valve was far less helpful, and its THEIR game... grr....

    Might have to get windows XP for the sole purpose of playing NS 2.0......

    *edit* I take back what I said about valve, I just got a reply which was very helpful, but not very useful... if you know what i mean *edit*
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    It works! It works!!! Ahaa, ahaahaahaa AAAAHAAHAAAHAAA!!!!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I found out because an email from valve suggested shutting down all other programs except systray and explorer, so I did. IT WORKED!

    So I closed it down, loaded up cheating-death and... it crashed. B*****D. (i said that out loud)

    So I thought, wait a minute.... and I tried turning CD OFF and playing NS. IT WORKED!

    So I tried re-installing C-D, IT STILL WORKED!!!!

    So it was cheating-death all along. Finally the 4 weeks of hell are over, and I can once again play my one true love, natural selection.

    Until 2.0 comes out <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Thanks for trying everything you knew MonsE <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    /me grumbles, that is normaly my suggestuion, I just had no clue about this thread so I didn't post it DOH!

    sorry mate. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    but gratz and have fun <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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