New Euro Information

BurncycleBurncycle Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9759Members, NS1 Playtester
Looks like the EU really IS on drugs <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

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  • CobyCoby Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8210Members
  • MoquiaoMoquiao Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
    thats quite scary really....


    Drugs suck.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    It's all Holland's fault. Legalizing weed was a bad move in the first place.
  • CrouchingHamsterCrouchingHamster Join Date: 2002-08-17 Member: 1181Members
    I fail to see the connection between weed and cocaine, other than the fact they are drugs which are illegal in most countries.
    Try snorting a few grams of weed, see how far you get..<!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Anyway, I seem to remember reading a similar thing about US dollar bills, so it's hardly an exclusively European situation..
  • DunsbyDunsby Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1042Awaiting Authorization
    I feel sorry for the people who smell money...

    If Homer moved to Europe...
  • NumbersNotFoundNumbersNotFound Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7556Members
    Most currentcy in the US also has trace amounts of cocaine..
  • RPG_JssmfulhudRPG_Jssmfulhud Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4006Members
    Yes, that's nothing new... But it still is scary... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    /me shrugs

    If anyone of you is too scared, you can always make sure and send all your money to me <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RPG_JssmfulhudRPG_Jssmfulhud Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4006Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Jun 27 2003, 04:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jun 27 2003, 04:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> /me shrugs

    If anyone of you is too scared, you can always make sure and send all your money to me <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ROTFLMAO!

    No go, Nem! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--CrouchingHamster+HiddenElvis,Jun 27 2003, 03:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CrouchingHamster @ HiddenElvis,Jun 27 2003, 03:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I fail to see the connection between weed and cocaine, other than the fact they are drugs which are illegal in most countries.[...]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Aye. And once you done weed, you teh ev4l perzon, and then you do cocaine. Yo muth4 nev toldchoo? Mine do. Pass th4 b0ng pliz.

    [edit]Remember that drugs are bad, kids![/edit]
  • SaltySalty Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6970Members
    I wonder if there was ever like a banker or something that tried to get the cocaine off the currency and sell it. Like they could be bankers/drug dealers.
  • DubersDubers Pet Shop Boy Edinburgh, UK Join Date: 2002-07-25 Member: 998Members
    It's the same in the UK although we have varietys of drugs on our banknotes.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Jun 27 2003, 08:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 27 2003, 08:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's all Holland's fault. Legalizing weed was a bad move in the first place. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    As funny as you were trying to be, cocaine and heroine are still illegal in Amsterdam.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Jun 27 2003, 06:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 27 2003, 06:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Jun 27 2003, 08:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 27 2003, 08:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's all Holland's fault. Legalizing weed was a bad move in the first place. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    As funny as you were trying to be, cocaine and heroine are still illegal in Amsterdam. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know. Question is for how long. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Jun 27 2003, 12:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 27 2003, 12:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--dr.d+Jun 27 2003, 06:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dr.d @ Jun 27 2003, 06:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Jun 27 2003, 08:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 27 2003, 08:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's all Holland's fault. Legalizing weed was a bad move in the first place. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    As funny as you were trying to be, cocaine and heroine are still illegal in Amsterdam. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know. Question is for how long. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For many years now and most likely forever, and they recently banned the smoking of cigs in places of public gathering.

    The only legal drugs in Amesterdam are Marijuana, Hasheesh, and Shrooms. There aren't any plans to add more to the list.

    Oh and alcohol <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RhuadinRhuadin Join Date: 2003-06-05 Member: 17023Members
    I assume that the reason marijuana is legalized in Holland is because they're progressive and realized that having it be illegal was doing more harm than good.

    Marijuana is possibly the least harmful thing you can smoke -- it's impossible to overdose upon and has no long term effects on your system. In fact, Marijuana has a medley of medicinal uses, the greatest of which is its anti-emetic properties. Do you realize that thousands of people in the US die from cancer not because of lack of treatment but rather because they're unwilling to undergo chemotherapy because it makes them so sick? Many oncologists will tell their patients that if they're feeling sick, that they should use marijuana, because it is the most powerful anti-nauseating drug known to mankind.

    Add to that fact that the cannibis plant is a cheap and efficient source of cloth, rope, paper (that doesn't require tons of poisonous chemicals and trees, *and* lasts longer), protein (for vegetarians) and a fuel source, as well as the fact that most money spent on prisons is spent containing people who never did anything more then smoke marijuana in their own homes (whom are now capable criminals because they learned tricks in prison) and one comes to realize that having marijuana be illegal comes at a very high opportunity cost.

    The actual reason marijuana was originally illegal isn't because the government actually cares about your health (following the food pyramid is the #1 cause of obesity in the US today) but instead was because of political reasons, the three largest being:

    1) William Randolph Hearst saw cannabis as a threat to his paper company and lobbied to have it illegalized.

    2) Tobacco companies saw the potential competition and also pushed for illegalization (cigarettes are FAR worse for you).

    3) Marijuana was seen as the 'Mexican' drug and people hoped that its illegalization would help slow mexican immigration.

    Personally, I don't like smoking marijuana. I prefer to be sober (I don't like drinking much either).

    However, I like to know that people are being exposed to correct knowledge about marijuana. Don't listen to government propaganda about it -- even today government anti-marijuana ads are completely false.

    Don't do drugs kids. But please know the truth behind why Marijuana is illegal -- and don't go around propagating myths that the government puts out. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Rhuadin

    PS Sorry about hijacking your thread <!--emo&::sentry::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/turret.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='turret.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    edited June 2003
    I was only kidding around a little. I know that smoking weed doesn't <u>necessarily</u> lead to the consumption of harder drugs, and that the dutch have no plans on legalising any other drugs. BUT, while most people know not to drive cars when they are drunk, they don't know that the same goes for being stoned (yes, I know that drunk people drive anyway, but there's no cure for idiocy). Further, while alcohol leaves your system quickly (after consuming a moderate amount of alcohol there won't be a trace left after 24 hours), weed stays in much longer (further complicating the driving-issue). Traces can still be found up to three weeks after smoking. Finally, the long-term effects of weed aren't fully analysed yet (there being over 400 different substances, each with a complicated chemical formula, in weed), while alcohol is so simple that most people know the formula and structure of the molecule by heart. Weed has no detrimental effect on the body, but how it affects the mind long-term is something that causes much bickering among scientists.

    But I whole-heartedly agree that being fat or smoking tobacco is probably far worse. Unless you're mixing your weed with tobacco.
  • SaltySalty Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 6970Members
    I don't care if you do heroin, sucks for you, aslong as you don't OD and I have to pay the medical bills.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Salty+Jun 28 2003, 03:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Salty @ Jun 28 2003, 03:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't care if you do heroin, sucks for you, aslong as you don't OD and I have to pay the medical bills. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    At least, IF you OD, do it properly so there'll only be an autopsy cost to carry.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Jun 27 2003, 08:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 27 2003, 08:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I was only kidding around a little. I know that smoking weed doesn't <u>necessarily</u> lead to the consumption of harder drugs, and that the dutch have no plans on legalising any other drugs. BUT, while most people know not to drive cars when they are drunk, they don't know that the same goes for being stoned (yes, I know that drunk people drive anyway, but there's no cure for idiocy). Further, while alcohol leaves your system quickly (after consuming a moderate amount of alcohol there won't be a trace left after 24 hours), weed stays in much longer (further complicating the driving-issue). Traces can still be found up to three weeks after smoking. Finally, the long-term effects of weed aren't fully analysed yet (there being over 400 different substances, each with a complicated chemical formula, in weed), while alcohol is so simple that most people know the formula and structure of the molecule by heart. Weed has no detrimental effect on the body, but how it affects the mind long-term is something that causes much bickering among scientists.

    But I whole-heartedly agree that being fat or smoking tobacco is probably far worse. Unless you're mixing your weed with tobacco. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ok I won't get into this argument again because last time certain people (myself admitedly) turned it into a huge flamewar. But marijuana is limited in its ability to impair your driving, especially if you drive well sober and have been doing so a long time, and have also been smoking a long time or have any kind of tolerance to it.

    I'll leave it at that I hope you do too for the sake of the thread.


    PS as far as ODing goes legalizing drugs would more than likely reduce the risk of this because there are only 3 real reasons for it to happen 1. The person uses the drug irresponsibly 2. The person does so on purpose (suicide) 3. It's bad drugs. With drugs legalized 1 and 3 can be addressed by educating people about proper drug use and eliminating harmful "bunk" drugs by having a regulated market.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Even though I hate letting you have the last word in the matter, for the sake of all the oxygen that a flamewar would waste, I will.
    So I'll go off on a different tangent instead: Can we really say that people drive well in general?
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--lolfighter+Jun 27 2003, 09:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 27 2003, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even though I hate letting you have the last word in the matter, for the sake of all the oxygen that a flamewar would waste, I will.
    So I'll go off on a different tangent instead: Can we really say that people drive well in general? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hell F'n no they don't. Half the people on the road don't deserve a license and the number of automobile related deaths in the US proves this beyond a reasonbile doubt.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    And how hard is it to put on a seatbelt, which increases the odds of surviving an accident tremendously?
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