The first room I made for the map was based on the Hypostyle Hall from a temple in Karnak. The columns in my version were replaced with missile tubes though. I tried to replicate the main features from the Hall, namely an interplay between light and shadow and a sense of massive scale.
Unfortunately, Half-Life really doesn't like massive scale that much. Even with just a box and some cylinders the r_speeds were around 800, so the room had to go. I remade it and it became the Missile Room in the finished map. The light and shadows theme is still there -- the main walkway is brightly lit and the rest of the room is dark. A also added a high and low theme by making the marine half on a raised walkway and putting the alien area below it. The center of the map seemed like a good place to put it since it reprensents a transition between the bright corridors of the marine area and the darkness of the alien held areas.
So... that's why the map is called ns_karnak. Another example of my odd naming system is my next map (there's a screenshot on the screenshot thread). The corridor I made was based on a corridor from Aliens: Resurrection, which was on a few days ago. Wynnona Ryder was in it. The (temporary) name of the map? Ns_klepto.
<!--QuoteBegin--Darkhound+Jun 20 2003, 03:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Darkhound @ Jun 20 2003, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok, I finally managed to get the textures compiled into the bsp, and I also fixed a minor entityproblem, so it should be ready to go now. The Hive Mind site doesn't have the new version obviously, so get it from <a href='http://www.cse.psu.edu/~forney/ns_karnak.zip' target='_blank'>my web site</a>. Try it out and see what you think. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I just put up the new version today <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
hello, i`m still reading all these lovely replies <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> kept me up all morning hehe
nice that someone reads this nonsense XD but Im really in need for some good maps. the screenies seen in the picture forum are nice but nearly each mapper is terrible slow ( so am I <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ) when someone at the server asked for ns_wheel I nearly slapped him to death cause there are some people out there not knowing what this server is like. sometimes I dream of an custommap server without any official map in the cycle but over 25 ns-style custommaps that are worth playing. I think I will create a award-section for good maps <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> like I told nay his map ns_colony is the favourite map on our server. so guys hurry, your work isnt for nothing anymore...
hehe, i`m gonna do a new thread later so keep tuned in <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
added some of the missing res files (thx nerd for this <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ) also will change the server mapchange cycle to change easily to custommaps (problem yet that some maps cant bee played cause of a bug in clanmod) fix the problem with ns_leigonXIII never played <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> betarelease of ns_60seconds canceled cause of REALLY BIG mapping problems. next weekend <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
ok guys I sell premium card for the ns_60seconds betatest. only cash! <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
just kidding! look out for the betaversion just released (if you find it rofl) wanna see?
<a href='http://www.nostromo.coolfreepage.com/hive.htm' target='_blank'>*** click here to see a hive ***</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--Lt.Gravity+Jun 25 2003, 12:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt.Gravity @ Jun 25 2003, 12:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> just kidding! look out for the betaversion just released (if you find it rofl) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If I can't find it, no one can. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Looks cool and odd at once <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<i>(Ich hoffe, du hast in die .res-Dateien nicht die .bsp eingetragen, weil die ja sowieso runtergelade wird. Wenn doch, wird sie 2x runtergeladen. Ich erw?hne das jetzt nur, weil du vor zwei Tagen noch garnicht wustest wof?r die .res Datei gut ist. Vielleicht bist du ja selbst schon drauf gekommen.)</i>
k so im reading the posts and this sever seems awesome, but it is password protected <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> perhaps i could get the pass?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->k so im reading the posts and this sever seems awesome, but it is password protected perhaps i could get the pass? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Perhaps the "pw: nostromo" in the server name was a clue. Or maybe not.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nay+Jun 26 2003, 07:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nay @ Jun 26 2003, 07:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> whats the map cycle for your server Xzilen <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Um, well in rotation it has the 7 reg maps, plus mixed in Rampage, Greian, Atomicamass, and Hydrosity.
You can also vote for quite a few maps, it gives a list when you join the server. Unfortunely, I can't get NS_Lost to open up on my computer, and for some reason when I try changing the map to trane_beta7 (or whatever its name is) and Colony they say bad map name :-\
<!--QuoteBegin--Xzilen+Jun 26 2003, 10:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xzilen @ Jun 26 2003, 10:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Nay+Jun 26 2003, 07:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nay @ Jun 26 2003, 07:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> whats the map cycle for your server Xzilen <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Um, well in rotation it has the 7 reg maps, plus mixed in Rampage, Greian, Atomicamass, and Hydrosity.
You can also vote for quite a few maps, it gives a list when you join the server. Unfortunely, I can't get NS_Lost to open up on my computer, and for some reason when I try changing the map to trane_beta7 (or whatever its name is) and Colony they say bad map name :-\ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well are you using the name of the .zip file? because that is different in trane and colony
Sorry if i make confusions about my map I have to do these things for version numbers and it gets complex with all the files on my pc like ns_colony_beta9.rmf ns_colony_test ns_colony_betafinal etc <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
for the ones that are slightly unable to read <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> : -=NGG=- BlackTemplers Custom Fight Center <u>PW:nostromo</u>|62.93.201.6:27300 thats sowhat obvious... wonder why provider hadnt interferred yet...
nay: hell man, give your map a name <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> I dont know which version is on our server, it was simply called ns_colony. thats problem with some of the maps. I dont even know if ns_atomicmass is the finalversion of ns_atomicmass21 or the other way round. some more problems about ns_60seconds. will test the map onserver asap. *sigh* another 28 minutes of compile terror!!! commanderview is sowhat irritating and I forgot to add nobuild to the whole arena. you only can build on small platforms with therestower. slightly cool done <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
i`ll call the next one ns_colony_b9 most probably <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Thank you Elite <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I'll go try that now
<!--QuoteBegin--Lt.Gravity+Jun 26 2003, 10:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt.Gravity @ Jun 26 2003, 10:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> nay: hell man, give your map a name <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> I dont know which version is on our server, it was simply called ns_colony. thats problem with some of the maps. I dont even know if ns_atomicmass is the finalversion of ns_atomicmass21 or the other way round. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ns_atomicmass was the last version to be released to the public (when it was submitted to Flayra for 1.1). You could just check the file creation dates hmm?
chrome angle you will laugh: I checked the creation date. but I wasnt shure. to this time the hivemind featured the old version. its hard to tell people where to download a map when you dont find the place where you downloaded it once. I guess I have to upload all the zips onto the hp. btw: how do I create this cool exe fileinstallation featured by mayberrygames?
Crud, I have Atomicmass 21 on my server, where's the new one? And I love it by the way <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Personally I don't like Mayberry's installer. It makes all maps - especially the small fun maps - much bigger. Damn background graphics <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Who needs them? The only benefit is that it automagically detects your Natural-Selection folder. I would rather use an installer that detects the directory, is small and has no other interface than a dialogbox that asks you whether to intall the map or not while displaying the map creation time, readme and name. This would even be smaller than a WinZip Self-Extractor, I'm sure.
damn it! I will search another provider for the webspace cause coolfreepage really sucks! zip will be enough to worry about in the moment. I will feature the custommap downloads asap but got also in trouble with my hp provider. damn it all...
Well it speaks for itself that a free homepage provider does not let you abuse their service to host a bunch zip-files. After all they get their money from people looking at the advertisements and perhaps clicking on one or the other. If that is your problem (?) Honestly I do that with my free webspace from 100Free.com, but their terms of use don't say anything about zip-files only pages. This is surely not an accident, beacause you can only host files up to 100KB. But that is enough for me atm. They also offer FTP-upload, so it couldn't be easier. If someone wanted to upload a single MP3 file he would end up with about 50 zip-archives *g*. No I think the 100KB policy saves them from abusers <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
what is this for kind of information? 100kb zip file is completely nonsense! we speak over maps! hl maps not tetris! so a zip file ALLWAYS has over 100kb! I dont understand the psovider. they dont even check what kinda files were uploaded. but life goes on and I will never ever choose this "freespace" again. lets try tripod. they updated their linkability to tripod/lycos germany so I have to redo my hp completely. but mapuploads were no problme with tripod.
Yes, I know, I know.... I'm just happy that I can still 'abuse' the service because my downloads are so small *g*. hehe haha (Just some test maps for NS and some tools I coded that are both about 40 KB files.) But finally, when we are talking about maps: aren't there some NS fan sites that host maps for free? Or even some clans like 'Die Doppelnullen'?
I want our hp-provider to host the files anyway <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> cool thing is: I had two provider for my private hp but now the remote linking has been canceled between them. so I simply use the unneccessary webspace for the hp! voil?! btw all maps up, the beta 1 version of ns_60seconds will be available soon. watch out!
"a bad enemy is one that you cant see. a worse enemy is one that cant even be heared!"
<i>(hab ichs mal richtig geschrieben oder wieder was zu verbessern? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> )</i>
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Unfortunately, Half-Life really doesn't like massive scale that much. Even with just a box and some cylinders the r_speeds were around 800, so the room had to go. I remade it and it became the Missile Room in the finished map. The light and shadows theme is still there -- the main walkway is brightly lit and the rest of the room is dark. A also added a high and low theme by making the marine half on a raised walkway and putting the alien area below it. The center of the map seemed like a good place to put it since it reprensents a transition between the bright corridors of the marine area and the darkness of the alien held areas.
So... that's why the map is called ns_karnak. Another example of my odd naming system is my next map (there's a screenshot on the screenshot thread). The corridor I made was based on a corridor from Aliens: Resurrection, which was on a few days ago. Wynnona Ryder was in it. The (temporary) name of the map? Ns_klepto.
I just put up the new version today <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
but Im really in need for some good maps. the screenies seen in the picture forum are nice but nearly each mapper is terrible slow ( so am I <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> ) when someone at the server asked for ns_wheel I nearly slapped him to death cause there are some people out there not knowing what this server is like. sometimes I dream of an custommap server without any official map in the cycle but over 25 ns-style custommaps that are worth playing.
I think I will create a award-section for good maps <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
like I told nay his map ns_colony is the favourite map on our server. so guys hurry, your work isnt for nothing anymore...
also will change the server mapchange cycle to change easily to custommaps (problem yet that some maps cant bee played cause of a bug in clanmod)
fix the problem with ns_leigonXIII never played <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
betarelease of ns_60seconds canceled cause of REALLY BIG mapping problems. next weekend <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
just kidding! look out for the betaversion just released (if you find it rofl)
wanna see?
<a href='http://www.nostromo.coolfreepage.com/hive.htm' target='_blank'>*** click here to see a hive ***</a>
the NGG awaits you!
If I can't find it, no one can. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<i>(Ich hoffe, du hast in die .res-Dateien nicht die .bsp eingetragen, weil die ja sowieso runtergelade wird. Wenn doch, wird sie 2x runtergeladen. Ich erw?hne das jetzt nur, weil du vor zwei Tagen noch garnicht wustest wof?r die .res Datei gut ist. Vielleicht bist du ja selbst schon drauf gekommen.)</i>
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Perhaps the "pw: nostromo" in the server name was a clue. Or maybe not.
Um, well in rotation it has the 7 reg maps, plus mixed in Rampage, Greian, Atomicamass, and Hydrosity.
You can also vote for quite a few maps, it gives a list when you join the server. Unfortunely, I can't get NS_Lost to open up on my computer, and for some reason when I try changing the map to trane_beta7 (or whatever its name is) and Colony they say bad map name :-\
Um, well in rotation it has the 7 reg maps, plus mixed in Rampage, Greian, Atomicamass, and Hydrosity.
You can also vote for quite a few maps, it gives a list when you join the server. Unfortunely, I can't get NS_Lost to open up on my computer, and for some reason when I try changing the map to trane_beta7 (or whatever its name is) and Colony they say bad map name :-\ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
well are you using the name of the .zip file? because that is different in trane and colony
ns_trane07.bsp
ns_colony.bsp
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ns_trane_beta7.zip
ns_colony_beta9.zip
use the .bsp names.
-=NGG=- BlackTemplers Custom Fight Center <u>PW:nostromo</u>|62.93.201.6:27300
thats sowhat obvious... wonder why provider hadnt interferred yet...
nay: hell man, give your map a name <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> I dont know which version is on our server, it was simply called ns_colony. thats problem with some of the maps. I dont even know if ns_atomicmass is the finalversion of ns_atomicmass21 or the other way round.
some more problems about ns_60seconds. will test the map onserver asap. *sigh* another 28 minutes of compile terror!!! commanderview is sowhat irritating and I forgot to add nobuild to the whole arena. you only can build on small platforms with therestower. slightly cool done <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
nay: hell man, give your map a name <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> I dont know which version is on our server, it was simply called ns_colony. thats problem with some of the maps. I dont even know if ns_atomicmass is the finalversion of ns_atomicmass21 or the other way round.
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ns_atomicmass was the last version to be released to the public (when it was submitted to Flayra for 1.1). You could just check the file creation dates hmm?
btw: how do I create this cool exe fileinstallation featured by mayberrygames?
The only benefit is that it automagically detects your Natural-Selection folder.
I would rather use an installer that detects the directory, is small and has no other interface than a dialogbox that asks you whether to intall the map or not while displaying the map creation time, readme and name. This would even be smaller than a WinZip Self-Extractor, I'm sure.
zip will be enough to worry about in the moment.
I will feature the custommap downloads asap but got also in trouble with my hp provider. damn it all...
Honestly I do that with my free webspace from 100Free.com, but their terms of use don't say anything about zip-files only pages. This is surely not an accident, beacause you can only host files up to 100KB. But that is enough for me atm. They also offer FTP-upload, so it couldn't be easier. If someone wanted to upload a single MP3 file he would end up with about 50 zip-archives *g*. No I think the 100KB policy saves them from abusers <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
cool thing is: I had two provider for my private hp but now the remote linking has been canceled between them. so I simply use the unneccessary webspace for the hp! voil?! btw all maps up, the beta 1 version of ns_60seconds will be available soon. watch out!
"a bad enemy is one that you cant see. a worse enemy is one that cant even be heared!"
<i>(hab ichs mal richtig geschrieben oder wieder was zu verbessern? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> )</i>