The Most Depressing Thing Ever
TractorCow
Join Date: 2003-01-12 Member: 12231Members
Join Date: 2003-01-12 Member: 12231Members
<div class="IPBDescription">An apology to Wanderer</div> I don't know exactly what's causing it, but this week I've been suffering from a painful amount of lag. Ok, so I'm on a dial up... but this is even worse than that!
Still, I couldn't let <b>that</b> get me down, and I wanted to keep playing NS... but the last two days of playing have been the most depressing ever.
Last night I ran into a webbed marine, as a skulk. My machine was lagging so badly (~350 ping) that I couldn't hit him. He just, moved too fast for me to line up my bites (even though he was webbed) and he killed me.
Today was even worse... not only did I consistently die, but I let my entire team down for the match. It's going on still as I speak, but I'm forced to sit on the sidelines in defeat.
We were playing on ns_eclipse, on one of the oZForces server, 4vs4. Wanderer was com, we were marines, and I was TractorCow. I was by myself, building a resource node at Horseshoe, and I can see clearly a skulk coming from the lower corridor. Just at that moment, Wanderer drops a TF and the skulk with it's leet < 40ms ping eats me alive, but not after a nice jump fest where I am madly jumping around, trying to aim on a skulk at about 3 fps on a 350 ping. Not only does our team lose everything we build there, but it happened again. Straight away, I spawned, apologised, returned to horseshoe, and was killed.
And then again... the same thing happened at Computer Core. Except, this time I had a jetpack, and I managed to kill myself with falling damage after failing to provide that essential burst of thrust just before I hit the ground, due to my ping.
And after all this, Wanderer jumps out of com and announces "Some1 else go com, I'm getting fed up with comming after tractorcow keeps wasting all our res".
All I could do is apologise, promise not to play NS until I got DSL, and leave.
I'm sorry Wanderer... when I get DSL I'd like to play again to prove how good I really am.
...
I <b>AM</b> good player... but I can never play a good game with this kind of ping. I always look like a newb because I end up dying in such embarassing ways...
*bursts into little cow tears*
Still, I couldn't let <b>that</b> get me down, and I wanted to keep playing NS... but the last two days of playing have been the most depressing ever.
Last night I ran into a webbed marine, as a skulk. My machine was lagging so badly (~350 ping) that I couldn't hit him. He just, moved too fast for me to line up my bites (even though he was webbed) and he killed me.
Today was even worse... not only did I consistently die, but I let my entire team down for the match. It's going on still as I speak, but I'm forced to sit on the sidelines in defeat.
We were playing on ns_eclipse, on one of the oZForces server, 4vs4. Wanderer was com, we were marines, and I was TractorCow. I was by myself, building a resource node at Horseshoe, and I can see clearly a skulk coming from the lower corridor. Just at that moment, Wanderer drops a TF and the skulk with it's leet < 40ms ping eats me alive, but not after a nice jump fest where I am madly jumping around, trying to aim on a skulk at about 3 fps on a 350 ping. Not only does our team lose everything we build there, but it happened again. Straight away, I spawned, apologised, returned to horseshoe, and was killed.
And then again... the same thing happened at Computer Core. Except, this time I had a jetpack, and I managed to kill myself with falling damage after failing to provide that essential burst of thrust just before I hit the ground, due to my ping.
And after all this, Wanderer jumps out of com and announces "Some1 else go com, I'm getting fed up with comming after tractorcow keeps wasting all our res".
All I could do is apologise, promise not to play NS until I got DSL, and leave.
I'm sorry Wanderer... when I get DSL I'd like to play again to prove how good I really am.
...
I <b>AM</b> good player... but I can never play a good game with this kind of ping. I always look like a newb because I end up dying in such embarassing ways...
*bursts into little cow tears*
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When you get your DSL just hunt down anyone who made a snide remark and devour them <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
something else you might want to look in to is your video card and its settings. Maybe its even over heating ..
that though never crossed my mind .. till one day it lagged about every 4 seconds. I got about 4 or 5 seconds of play time, then it would freeze for about 15 seconds, then I would get about 4 seconds of play time .. rinse and repeat ..
I opened my case, damn fan on my video card wasnt spinng. burned out or something.
Im pretty sure I cought it in time, put a new fan on it. While I was doing so, I did notice the glue was a nice brown color as was just a very small fraction or some copper near the chip.
In any case, its working fine now.
er .. back on topic ..
500 ping is playable. Granted it wont be near as enjoyable as a 30 ping.
My plan was to finish saving for my "elite" machine, go out and buy it, and get ADSL at the same time (not really the same as DSL).
Although, I may have to give up NS for the time being... at least until then. *le sigh* The last thing I want to do is let other people in the game down. Otherwise, it would defeat the purpose of NS being a team game, wouldn't it?
I get about 25 FPS with voodoo3 2000
something else you might want to look in to is your video card and its settings. Maybe its even over heating ..
that though never crossed my mind .. till one day it lagged about every 4 seconds. I got about 4 or 5 seconds of play time, then it would freeze for about 15 seconds, then I would get about 4 seconds of play time .. rinse and repeat ..
I opened my case, damn fan on my video card wasnt spinng. burned out or something.
Im pretty sure I cought it in time, put a new fan on it. While I was doing so, I did notice the glue was a nice brown color as was just a very small fraction or some copper near the chip.
In any case, its working fine now.
er .. back on topic ..
500 ping is playable. Granted it wont be near as enjoyable as a 30 ping. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
hmm but from what u say PT's played all 500 ping vs 500 ping...
that is playable since its for everyone the same
but 500 vs 30 is very different
I had a game yesterday where my fps was 5 all the time (I have cable, getting DSL soon), and everyone had like normal FPS I believe (my ping was around 100), it just wasnt playable since rines easily killed me in small corridors, and where I went fade in Gen, jumped down to stability, 2 jp hmgs were in the sky, I shot one acid to them, then when I wanted to retreat i got killed killed while turning around, i went form full health to 0 in 2 secs, thats just not playable :'(
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Wait... wasn't it like this:
ADSL = DSL
DSL != ADSL
Because ADSL is a DSL service, but just one of the many possible such services. To be honest, I've never seen any operator offer any other kind, but they do exist anyway.
i can actually hear my JP splutter as it trys to get me off the ground <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
and lately, this dam cl_entitypacketflush error thing freezes me, so i basically cant move. When it stops i am dead, so i have no idea what happens, shooting enemys basically revolves around firing wildy at them in a desperate attempt to hit them with 18fps (around 8 in huge cross fires) Usually i just aim for where they are "going" to be, and i usually kill them.
My video card feels like its older than Hl itself, Some crappy Trident Blade XP trash. It will be very pleasurable to dump this worthless piece of scrap into the bin when i get my hands on a Excaliber Radeon 9000 pro next month.
Hopefully in time for 1.1 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Wait... wasn't it like this:
ADSL = DSL
DSL != ADSL
Because ADSL is a DSL service, but just one of the many possible such services. To be honest, I've never seen any operator offer any other kind, but they do exist anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A little clarification on DSL technology.
DSL = Digital Subscriber Line
It has 2 main forms, known as ADSL and SDSL, DSL is just the generic term for the technology.
ADSL = Assymetric Digital Subscriber Line
SDSL = Symetric Digital Subscriber Line
Yeeeeeeeeeees... NEVER turn around when running away from enemies. Retreat - don't rout.
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No offense, but I think you have a very loose definition of playable. Much above 150 ping is when things start to fall apart; you teleport, everyone else teleports or ice-skates, and half the time you don't notice an attack until you're dead. Once that starts, it becomes incredibly hard to aim, and lag compensation for skulk bites isn't really that good to begin with (because of distance problems)
If every player has a ping of 500, it's at least a level field. You're going to get owned over and over again even when you should have an advantage if your ping is 500 and everyone else is around 100. A ping of 500 is half a second. It barely takes that long to die when you're taking constant damage.
Be content knowing that you are better than what you are in the virtual world.
Living in an area with no broadband access available, (the cable company won't run a cable 20 metres down the road even though about 20 houses on our street wants broadband) and shabby phone lines, I generally ping 200-300. Even worse, I get lag spikes about every 40s with cl_flushentitypacket errors. Anyway, a ping of 200 is playable in NS IMO, 300 is where is starts getting hairy (as a skulk you actually can't hit marines, you can chase one and miss with every bite because the melee hit prediction sucks).
And hey, dont mention DOD, where I normally ping 350 and spend about half my game time lagging out. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT
In response to the original post, I too feel guilty when my sucky ping/fps costs my team the game, or at least a hefty stack of res. I try not to be alone, give covering fire as a rine, and when I'm a skulk I try to just draw the other team's fire to allow my low-pinged team-mates to munch on the rines. And I always tell the comm not to give me JP, because I only get about 2s of fly-time with my 20fps.
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Wait... wasn't it like this:
ADSL = DSL
DSL != ADSL
Because ADSL is a DSL service, but just one of the many possible such services. To be honest, I've never seen any operator offer any other kind, but they do exist anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ADSL is Asymmetric, which means your upload bandwidth is different (usually lower) from your download bandwidth. There is also SDSL for symmetric bandwidth (same in both directions), which is usually available on business packages. You can also get RDSL which is generally for people who are a long distance from their telcom switch, it means that they can get a fast download rate and only their upload is affected by the distance. And there's also VDSL, which will be faster and is kinda in the works at the moment. I HOPE YOU ENJOYED YOUR NEWS INFORM ^_^
Thanks guys for all your info... I now feel a lot better about my connection (and less guilty about that last game). Much appreciated.
btw My definition of playable is ~200 ping. Never got that low before though. *lol* New Zealand doesn't have very good bandwidth anyway. Not internationally at least.
When you get your DSL just hunt down anyone who made a snide remark and devour them <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
LoL
Snide Remark Marine====> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->....... <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo--> ....... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> ..... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> .... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> .......AHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh
ADSL = Assymetric Digital Subscriber Line
SDSL = Symetric Digital Subscriber Line <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, it's "Asynchronus" and "Synchronus" DSL.
TractorCow, your video card isn't your problem with your FPS. It could be CPU, memory, or an unoptimized OS. (or a combination of them)
ADSL = Assymetric Digital Subscriber Line
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Actually, it's "Asynchronus" and "Synchronus" DSL.
TractorCow, your video card isn't your problem with your FPS. It could be CPU, memory, or an unoptimized OS. (or a combination of them) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
what? It's Asymmetric and Symmetric, along with RADSL which is Rate-adaptive DSL (terminology that is somewhat proprietary to one of the DSL providers I think) and some other weird ones that aren't widely used. are you thinking of ATM? Asynchronous Transfer Mode? That's a packet-switching protocol, not a DSL service.
and i think ill have to get more than 800mhz pentium3 for that beastie.