Colonialism? Like the ham-fisted European colonialism that turned the Middle East into the gem it is today?
No, wait, I forgot, the US is the cause of <i>all</i> the problems in that region of the world.
Hey, just because we're screwing it up now doesn't mean it was a real paradise to begin with. Botching the world is, and always has been, a team effort.
The countries the scream the most that they dont want a war are the ones that have most interests in Iraq. Ppl say the US is gonna wage war over oil and yet it is in fact France, Germany, Russia and China that are the ones protecting thier oil(and other) interests. Personally I dont have a prob with someone protecting thier interests.......however if by protecting those interests they put my country or even other countries at risk I do care. Seems to me those 4 countries are more concerned with their sweet deals than they are with the safety of other ppl in the world.
And by the way...France threatening former members of the Warsaw Pact with exclusion from the EU if they side with the US is complete and utter bullsh*t! What kind of crap is that?
I say the US should pull its military out of Germany and France and instead place the bases in the countries that were in the Warsaw Pact. After all France and Germany dont want us there anyway so lets just leave. Besides those former members of the Warsaw pact are closer to our(the US) modern day threats anyway.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Err...Just so you know, There is practically no true imperialist actions nowadays. Imperialism involves taking over a country and establishing a protectorate, annexing it, <i><b><u>making it a colony</u></i></b> and so on.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why is it that when one American says something, it's perfectly acceptable to automatically assume that the entire nation feels/is that way? In almost every international debate on these boards (and pretty much all other boards I've seen) one American will post an irresponsible, ignorant thought, and it's almost always followed by a 'Well, you've just proven that ALL Americans are . . . " <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't say that reasa was symbolic of all Americans. As I major in American military history I take any oportunity to expand my knowledge of America, so that's why I asked. I genuinely didn't know if what reasa said was "common" as such in the US, or if he would be regarded as a fringe group. I asked, I did not label. If I did label, you would have noticed me saying "So what reasa said proves all Americans are ultra-nationalistic morons". I said no such thing.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->QUOTE Err...Just so you know, There is practically no true imperialist actions nowadays. Imperialism involves taking over a country and establishing a protectorate, annexing it, making it a colony and so on.
Well said <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Then there's Tibet, East Timor (hey look Australia did that, yay for us, nothing to do with the massive oil and gas veins off the coast <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ), the upcomming action in Iraq...Not as previlant as in the "glory days" of imperialism, but it's still around. I'll cop flak for the Iraq comment so I'll say this: The US has said Iraq will be under a military dictatorship for at least 2 years, they've picked the general out already, I say dictatorship because the Iraqi people sure as Flayra won't have a say in who their leader is, American corperations and companies are going to swoop in and "annex" the oil feilds, just like in Kuwait, and the only government the US will allow is one which will be heavily pro-American. Iraq will be a colony not unlike Cuba from 1898 to the 1950's, when the US took it over from the Spanish and all the companies were taken over by American coperations. times may have changed, but money still talks.
Yadda yadda yadda just because you don't like my side of the argument dose not mean you all have to side agianst me to be honest about 60% of America is behind bush and for war, perhaps more then that, say what you well but its true. What is the point of haveing a debate if all you do is talk about 1 side of the issue "wow your right I agree completely" "no no your right about the same thing" Im sorry France and Germany have done no wrong they are gods among the countries I love them both. Moveing on it was mentioned, pulling out our troops from Germany. Great idea there such a god like and important country to the world they must not need Americas help or troops, lets take them out, and watch Germany squirm like the worm it is. Now lets hear what you call me now "American Hitler" kinda like Germany labeld bush how nice of them, there so kind all the aid they give to south africa...wish I was German.
<!--QuoteBegin--Sirus+Feb 23 2003, 12:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Feb 23 2003, 12:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Err...Just so you know, There is practically no true imperialist actions nowadays. Imperialism involves taking over a country and establishing a protectorate, annexing it, making it a colony and so on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> We are working off of different definitions of imperialism. Yours, is a bourgeios historical definition that is more aptly termed colonialism. Mine, is a Leninist definition that understands Imperialism to be the highest stage of capitalism, which is marked by the dominance of finance capital, the complete division of the world by the capitalist powers, and the monopolization of the means of production.
Also, China is most definitely not a superpower. It is a backwards country that for the last fifty years has experienced the benifits of a planned economy. It cannot compete with the United States militarily, despite its large population. China is the greatest prize on the globe right now. The current moves in the Phillipines by the US to establish a presence there show their desire to conquer the deformed workers state.
Anyway, the US wants its hands on the oil spigot and its no suprise that the other imperialists are upset and not going along with it. What is truly disgusting is the liberals at the peace marches (in the US) who declare, "France, we are with you." They are just fanning the flames for WWIII.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Great idea there such a god like and important country to the world they must not need Americas help or troops, lets take them out, and watch Germany squirm like the worm it is.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Care to elaborate on what exactly will happen if the U.S. pulls their troops out? I wouldn't be surprised if you got banned if you keep talking like that. We don't need any racism on these boards.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now lets hear what you call me now "American Hitler" kinda like Germany labeld bush how nice of them, there so kind all the aid they give to south africa...wish I was German.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Umm, they didn’t say Bush was exactly like Hitler… One of their politicians was comparing a specific character trait.
What he is expressing IS NOT racism. He is expressing his dislike for Germany and France. There is no French or German race. French or German ethnicity? Sure, but not race.
<!--QuoteBegin--Teufel Eldritch+Feb 23 2003, 08:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Teufel Eldritch @ Feb 23 2003, 08:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What he is expressing IS NOT racism. He is expressing his dislike for Germany and France. There is no French or German race. French or German ethnicity? Sure, but not race. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It doesn’t matter what it is, there are lots of people on these boards (including a mod) from Germany, and its not a good idea to call the entire country a 'worm'.
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oooooooooh dogged him. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> seriously folks. The thread would be better served if we just treated certain comments as ignored due to obvious irrelevance rather than debating the semantics of offensive BS.
<!--QuoteBegin--Ekaj+Feb 23 2003, 11:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ekaj @ Feb 23 2003, 11:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Teufel Eldritch+Feb 23 2003, 08:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Teufel Eldritch @ Feb 23 2003, 08:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What he is expressing IS NOT racism. He is expressing his dislike for Germany and France. There is no French or German race. French or German ethnicity? Sure, but not race. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It doesn’t matter what it is, there are lots of people on these boards (including a mod) from Germany, and its not a good idea to call the entire country a 'worm'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You are correct on the matter of calling a entire country a worm. Especially when a moderator is from said country. But you should never confuse racism with nation baiting. Two totally different things.
Mike, should you still read this discussion, read through Reasas posts again. Americans aren't the only ones that're being stereotypized.
By the way, I am that German mod, and I couldn't give a crap about whether somebody calls the patch of soil I live on a 'worm' or not - nations and nationalism are in my perception an overaged concept either way.
The only question that I ask myself is <i>why</i> the withdrawal of US troops (out of whichever 'they're not with us, they must be against us' motivations they may come) should create issues for Germany. This country is surrounded by countries it has made friendship with, 'we' haven't been in war for 50 years now, mostly because we decided not to attack somebody. I am in all honesty not afraid of any threat the American military could save me from (nope, they can't save me from a terrorist attack).
Aside from that, Germany is one of the biggest trading partners of the US. If you really want to boycott German products, get out of that car of yours, throw your freezer away, and don't even think about using the PC you're reading this with.
Concerning the imperialism discussion: Leaving the Leninist/Capitalist definitions aside (I'm inclined to agree with Zergling on that one), the US used something called 'Dollar Imperialism', which is in so far no direct imperialism that the country isn't made a colony, but instead put into economic dependence. Most countries of South America are still in this kind of relation with the US.
<!--QuoteBegin--Ekaj+Feb 23 2003, 03:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ekaj @ Feb 23 2003, 03:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Umm, they didn’t say Bush was exactly like Hitler… One of their politicians was comparing a specific character trait. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, one of their "politicians" called him Hitler their is no excuse for that, expecially people from the country that spawned that monster, talk about bringing up old sores.
Also, I am not being "raceist" for one Germany and France are not their own race, I was just makeing my thoughts and ideas clear, my insult was not directed at any one person.
I am aware that there are alot of Germans here, to bad, I play NS, Im American so this is a public forum I took the time to become a member, I think I am entitled to my ideas and shareing them with you.
Oh, and as for boycotting Germany, I have no problem with that, all the electronics in my house made in Japan as are most Americans, most people here drive American made cars, or Jap cars. I might lose my freezer im not sure is GE a German company?
First, the politican who made the 'Bush-Hitler' comparison, former secretary of justice Herta Däubler-Gmelin, didn't compare Bushs character traits, but his propagandistic practices (it had become obvious that the Pentagon had been feeding the media with wrong informations) with the Third Realm, not Hitler in person. This comparision was the end of her political career.
At the same time, I see p.e. senator Tom Lantos, not to mention Donald Rumsfeld, downright insulting the German and French governors and governments ("Old Europe", "Uninformed and stupid", "Comparable to Cuba and Lybia"), with - no - consequences at all for them.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh, and as for boycotting Germany, I have no problem with that, all the electronics in my house made in Japan as are most Americans, most people here drive American made cars, or Jap cars. I might lose my freezer im not sure is GE a German company? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK, so the cars brand is Japanese or American. Where were the brakes manufactured? Who designed the electronics? Where was it built together? There is pretty much no car on the streets without German parts. Similiar with the other stuff I listed.
Believe it or not, a companies nationality means absolutely nothing in these times of globalization.
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there was a Boondocks comic about this:
Caeser: Whoa, some people in other countries are comparing Bush to Adolf Hitler because of his warmongering. Huey: That's preposterous. Even <b>I</b> would never compare Bush to Hitler . . .
Huey: . . . I mean, Hitler was democratically elected, wasn't he?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I asked, I did not label. If I did label, you would have noticed me saying "So what reasa said proves all Americans are ultra-nationalistic morons". I said no such thing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And as I said I was using your post as an excuse to vent, and even at face value I stated that it was a mild example of the sentiments that were frustrating the living **** out of me.
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I know, Nem . . . but again, I don't recall America giving Reasa the authority to speak for our entire nation. That vote actually came pretty late in the weekly national consensus meeting, and I popped out of the room to take a leak.
Those meetings are just too darn long. I mean, last week alone, the entire country agreed to be boorish, ignorant, war-mongering, disrespectful of other cultures, and greedy. And I don't even know why we bother to vote anymore, because all of these are passed unanimously.
O sure there are lots of German parts in lots of things but im sure we could make our own, open up new factories, create new jobs, boycotting Germany looks better and better every time I think about it.
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<!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Feb 23 2003, 12:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Feb 23 2003, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh, and as for boycotting Germany, I have no problem with that, all the electronics in my house made in Japan as are most Americans, most people here drive American made cars, or Jap cars. I might lose my freezer im not sure is GE a German company? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK, so the cars brand is Japanese or American. Where were the brakes manufactured? Who designed the electronics? Where was it built together? There is pretty much no car on the streets without German parts. Similiar with the other stuff I listed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Anyone else think this is irelevant to the discussion? Now that the industrial cajones of the two countries have been compared, can we continue?
Well, continue what we have already debated the main topic, France and Germany are not funneling money to Iraq perhaps some nameless companies but the countries them selves are not, so we moved on to more elaborate topics branching off from the main one.
<!--QuoteBegin--moultano+Feb 23 2003, 08:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moultano @ Feb 23 2003, 08:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Feb 23 2003, 12:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Feb 23 2003, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh, and as for boycotting Germany, I have no problem with that, all the electronics in my house made in Japan as are most Americans, most people here drive American made cars, or Jap cars. I might lose my freezer im not sure is GE a German company? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK, so the cars brand is Japanese or American. Where were the brakes manufactured? Who designed the electronics? Where was it built together? There is pretty much no car on the streets without German parts. Similiar with the other stuff I listed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Anyone else think this is irelevant to the discussion? Now that the industrial cajones of the two countries have been compared, can we continue? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I wasn't meaning to impress with the German economy, I merely tried to show that in our times, it's flat out impossible to boycott a country because 'out-sourcing' & co. have spread even the origins of the most simple products over the whole globe.
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No, wait, I forgot, the US is the cause of <i>all</i> the problems in that region of the world.
Hey, just because we're screwing it up now doesn't mean it was a real paradise to begin with. Botching the world is, and always has been, a team effort.
Go team!
And by the way...France threatening former members of the Warsaw Pact with exclusion from the EU if they side with the US is complete and utter bullsh*t! What kind of crap is that?
I say the US should pull its military out of Germany and France and instead place the bases in the countries that were in the Warsaw Pact. After all France and Germany dont want us there anyway so lets just leave. Besides those former members of the Warsaw pact are closer to our(the US) modern day threats anyway.
Israel?
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I didn't say that reasa was symbolic of all Americans. As I major in American military history I take any oportunity to expand my knowledge of America, so that's why I asked. I genuinely didn't know if what reasa said was "common" as such in the US, or if he would be regarded as a fringe group. I asked, I did not label. If I did label, you would have noticed me saying "So what reasa said proves all Americans are ultra-nationalistic morons". I said no such thing.
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Err...Just so you know, There is practically no true imperialist actions nowadays. Imperialism involves taking over a country and establishing a protectorate, annexing it, making it a colony and so on.
Israel? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well said <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Then there's Tibet, East Timor (hey look Australia did that, yay for us, nothing to do with the massive oil and gas veins off the coast <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ), the upcomming action in Iraq...Not as previlant as in the "glory days" of imperialism, but it's still around.
I'll cop flak for the Iraq comment so I'll say this: The US has said Iraq will be under a military dictatorship for at least 2 years, they've picked the general out already, I say dictatorship because the Iraqi people sure as Flayra won't have a say in who their leader is, American corperations and companies are going to swoop in and "annex" the oil feilds, just like in Kuwait, and the only government the US will allow is one which will be heavily pro-American. Iraq will be a colony not unlike Cuba from 1898 to the 1950's, when the US took it over from the Spanish and all the companies were taken over by American coperations. times may have changed, but money still talks.
Moveing on it was mentioned, pulling out our troops from Germany. Great idea there such a god like and important country to the world they must not need Americas help or troops, lets take them out, and watch Germany squirm like the worm it is. Now lets hear what you call me now "American Hitler" kinda like Germany labeld bush how nice of them, there so kind all the aid they give to south africa...wish I was German.
We are working off of different definitions of imperialism. Yours, is a bourgeios historical definition that is more aptly termed colonialism. Mine, is a Leninist definition that understands Imperialism to be the highest stage of capitalism, which is marked by the dominance of finance capital, the complete division of the world by the capitalist powers, and the monopolization of the means of production.
Also,
China is most definitely not a superpower. It is a backwards country that for the last fifty years has experienced the benifits of a planned economy. It cannot compete with the United States militarily, despite its large population. China is the greatest prize on the globe right now. The current moves in the Phillipines by the US to establish a presence there show their desire to conquer the deformed workers state.
Anyway, the US wants its hands on the oil spigot and its no suprise that the other imperialists are upset and not going along with it. What is truly disgusting is the liberals at the peace marches (in the US) who declare, "France, we are with you." They are just fanning the flames for WWIII.
Care to elaborate on what exactly will happen if the U.S. pulls their troops out? I wouldn't be surprised if you got banned if you keep talking like that. We don't need any racism on these boards.
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Umm, they didn’t say Bush was exactly like Hitler… One of their politicians was comparing a specific character trait.
It doesn’t matter what it is, there are lots of people on these boards (including a mod) from Germany, and its not a good idea to call the entire country a 'worm'.
It doesn’t matter what it is, there are lots of people on these boards (including a mod) from Germany, and its not a good idea to call the entire country a 'worm'. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are correct on the matter of calling a entire country a worm. Especially when a moderator is from said country. But you should never confuse racism with nation baiting. Two totally different things.
By the way, I am that German mod, and I couldn't give a crap about whether somebody calls the patch of soil I live on a 'worm' or not - nations and nationalism are in my perception an overaged concept either way.
The only question that I ask myself is <i>why</i> the withdrawal of US troops (out of whichever 'they're not with us, they must be against us' motivations they may come) should create issues for Germany. This country is surrounded by countries it has made friendship with, 'we' haven't been in war for 50 years now, mostly because we decided not to attack somebody.
I am in all honesty not afraid of any threat the American military could save me from (nope, they can't save me from a terrorist attack).
Aside from that, Germany is one of the biggest trading partners of the US. If you really want to boycott German products, get out of that car of yours, throw your freezer away, and don't even think about using the PC you're reading this with.
Concerning the imperialism discussion: Leaving the Leninist/Capitalist definitions aside (I'm inclined to agree with Zergling on that one), the US used something called 'Dollar Imperialism', which is in so far no direct imperialism that the country isn't made a colony, but instead put into economic dependence. Most countries of South America are still in this kind of relation with the US.
Umm, they didn’t say Bush was exactly like Hitler… One of their politicians was comparing a specific character trait. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, one of their "politicians" called him Hitler their is no excuse for that, expecially people from the country that spawned that monster, talk about bringing up old sores.
Also, I am not being "raceist" for one Germany and France are not their own race, I was just makeing my thoughts and ideas clear, my insult was not directed at any one person.
I am aware that there are alot of Germans here, to bad, I play NS, Im American so this is a public forum I took the time to become a member, I think I am entitled to my ideas and shareing them with you.
Oh, and as for boycotting Germany, I have no problem with that, all the electronics in my house made in Japan as are most Americans, most people here drive American made cars, or Jap cars. I might lose my freezer im not sure is GE a German company?
At the same time, I see p.e. senator Tom Lantos, not to mention Donald Rumsfeld, downright insulting the German and French governors and governments ("Old Europe", "Uninformed and stupid", "Comparable to Cuba and Lybia"), with - no - consequences at all for them.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh, and as for boycotting Germany, I have no problem with that, all the electronics in my house made in Japan as are most Americans, most people here drive American made cars, or Jap cars. I might lose my freezer im not sure is GE a German company? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
OK, so the cars brand is Japanese or American.
Where were the brakes manufactured?
Who designed the electronics?
Where was it built together?
There is pretty much no car on the streets without German parts. Similiar with the other stuff I listed.
Believe it or not, a companies nationality means absolutely nothing in these times of globalization.
Caeser: Whoa, some people in other countries are comparing Bush to Adolf Hitler because of his warmongering.
Huey: That's preposterous. Even <b>I</b> would never compare Bush to Hitler . . .
Huey: . . . I mean, Hitler was democratically elected, wasn't he?
And as I said I was using your post as an excuse to vent, and even at face value I stated that it was a mild example of the sentiments that were frustrating the living **** out of me.
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I know, Nem . . . but again, I don't recall America giving Reasa the authority to speak for our entire nation. That vote actually came pretty late in the weekly national consensus meeting, and I popped out of the room to take a leak.
Those meetings are just too darn long. I mean, last week alone, the entire country agreed to be boorish, ignorant, war-mongering, disrespectful of other cultures, and greedy. And I don't even know why we bother to vote anymore, because all of these are passed unanimously.
OK, so the cars brand is Japanese or American.
Where were the brakes manufactured?
Who designed the electronics?
Where was it built together?
There is pretty much no car on the streets without German parts. Similiar with the other stuff I listed. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Anyone else think this is irelevant to the discussion? Now that the industrial cajones of the two countries have been compared, can we continue?
OK, so the cars brand is Japanese or American.
Where were the brakes manufactured?
Who designed the electronics?
Where was it built together?
There is pretty much no car on the streets without German parts. Similiar with the other stuff I listed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Anyone else think this is irelevant to the discussion? Now that the industrial cajones of the two countries have been compared, can we continue? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wasn't meaning to impress with the German economy, I merely tried to show that in our times, it's flat out impossible to boycott a country because 'out-sourcing' & co. have spread even the origins of the most simple products over the whole globe.