Can We Get This Map-maker?
<div class="IPBDescription">to make us some NS maps</div> <a href='http://www.planethalflife.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.planethalflife.com/</a>
has some pics from a half-life mod called Night Watch. i was looking at these pics thinking of cool places for a skulk to hide. i was thinking how perfect these maps would be in NS and they would be enjoyed alot more in NS than in Night Watch. can you tell this map-maker to give those maps to NS coz that would be cool please thanx <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
has some pics from a half-life mod called Night Watch. i was looking at these pics thinking of cool places for a skulk to hide. i was thinking how perfect these maps would be in NS and they would be enjoyed alot more in NS than in Night Watch. can you tell this map-maker to give those maps to NS coz that would be cool please thanx <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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So yeah, I think we can get some of these guys. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
now has some pics from Poke646, now i want those maps in NS too please thanks <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
and we need maps with new textures coz half-life engine has such basic geometry and shaders that the most interesting stuff is the textures. too bad more textures would immensely increase the hard disk size of the mod. i wish there was a way that stuff could be shared across mods besides the default half-life stuff, so you could have lots more textures by installing other mods without having to increase the hard disk usage of NS itself by very much.
Bah you must really suck at SP MODS :-)
Personally I love em. I try everything from the original Half-Life single player to, Poke 646, Escape From The Darkness, Counter-Life, Todesangst, Scientist Slaughter House, and many many more.
There's many great SP mods for Half-life, judging them because you "miss a shot" is abit unfair.
Check out <a href='http://www.hl-nightwatch.net' target='_blank'>the official Nightwatch website</a>, too. (;
i don't suck at single player games. it's just that i have this urge to save and load every few seconds because of the way single player games are and i'm not the only person that does this obsessive compulsive behaviour because of the way these games are.
It's not a perfect system; on especially long levels, it can be quite frustrating. This is especially apparent in Giants: Citizen Kabuto - more than once I had to quit out of a level I'd just spent 45 minutes base-building on - not because I'd lost, but because I had to leave my computer, and had no way of saving my progress.
Some games try for limited saves. One example is Resident Evil - you can only save if you have an ink ribbon. Personally, this approach frustrated me - especially in a game like Resident Evil, where you could seldom save and the tables could turn very suddenly. Silent Hill tried a different approach, limiting WHERE you could save but not how often. It was a better way to do it; I proceeded without saving until I had to quit, then backtracked to the last save spot (or quit when I found the next one).
In my experience, I've encountered two save systems that I really like. The first was AvP's system, post-patch. Based on your difficulty level, you were allowed 2, 4, or 6 saves per level. You chose when to save, and while you did have that choice, there was always the added element of a limited supply. However, that supply wasn't excessively limited, or limited in location as well - as it was in Resident Evil, which I feel is too restrictive.
The other, which is my favorite save system to date, is that of Bungie's <i>Oni</i>. The game automatically saved your progress 3-4 times per level, at predefined locations. These save points were usually just before or after some major confrontation; for instance, directly before a boss or directly after a dangerous trip-laser/mercury-bow-sentry puzzle. What made this system great is that there *was* a way to reload if you were in bad shape, but there was also a very strong incentive to push forward. I reached one save point on the final level with a quarter of my health bar and no hypos (meds)... rather than restore to the beginning of the level, I used stealth, varied tactics, and a fair amount of caution to take out 5 guards, which yielded me a better gun, one hypo, full health, and a force shield. Oni's save system made every hit you gave and received count, without excessively punishing mistakes like AvP's pre-patch system.
Wow, I wrote a novel. Ok, I'm done. (:
Just... stop talking.
Note: The NW maps aren't designed around NS gameplay ANYWAYS.
Yup, can't wait for NW either. I've been needing a good HL SP experience that isn't about zombies.
i would be happy if the save anywhere method was used but the motivation to save anywhere was removed by not having the ammo and health set at exact finite amounts. for example every so often more enemies should be introduced into the level over time and when you kill them they drop health and ammo. that way if you screw up at some point then you can just spend some extra time trying to kill the extra enemies and try to make profit in ammo and health against them to compensate and not have to worry that at some point there is no way you can you can raise your health or ammo anymore.
i think in Age of Empires i was really bothered by the fact that the resources were limited. even wood from the trees was limited when they should have been able to grow back and wood should be used to trade to get other resources. i think meat from animals was limited too because they didn't give birth to new animals. same with fish. everything would completely run out at some point. that really makes me feel uncomfortable. i can't handle it mentally for some reason.
Going to waste?
Someone hold me back, please.
By the way, there's 8 level designers on the Nightwatch team, myself included. You likely have encountered most of them in these parts... Ken Banks, Ekaj, Badmofo, Merkaba, WhoMe (Hand Me The Gun And Ask Me Again on these forums), Ferret, and Flashdevil.
Going to waste?
Someone hold me back, please.
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Lol. Well, you can also quote
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So it's each to his own, I guess.
btw why don't you make these maps for Sven Co-op? some single player campaigns are already being converted to Sven Co-op like E.T.C. and They Hunger. I bet it should take just a couple of minutes to convert. i don't know why the others are taking so long. probably coz they want to enhance them and take advantage of the new possibilities of Sven Co-op.
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I cant get anywhere in that **obscenity** mod, too smart for me. Ever try Heart OF Darkness? IMO best SP mod ever and very close to SP Half-Life. Seeing Apocalypse Now before playing helps.
I'd like to second that.
People, should you not yet have noticed - KFS and the rest are putting their time, love, sweat and blood into a game that's gonna be <i>free</i>. If you don't like it - don't d/l it, but don't act as if you could do it much better in much less time unless you happen to be Warren Spector.
Ok, let's start with why these maps cannot be converted to MP. The poly ceiling is just way to high. I think 1000 wpolys is the limit, far too big for any multiplayer game in the HL engine.
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Errr? Why are they going to waste? Becasue they are SP maps?
It will still exist in easy and also it is possible to do something using the console to bind it of something like that, i wasn't really paying attention when i read that.
Also in DT there are auto saves in those situations before all hell breaks loss so it is not like you have to do a whole level then save.
Also, taken from teh DT site as i'm too lazy :
First of all is persistent save points. These are locations whereby the player may return to them at any time to save the game as many times as they see fit, these will be rarer in the higher skill settings and more frequent on Easy. They will feature more in locations where you will often travel past this point a number of times or be able to return to it easily. The second type is waypoints. These are one-shot usage save locations that will only function once and even if you return to that area they will not resave anything. These will be more frequent on the higher skill settings, however, exploration of the environments will at times reward the player with hidden persistent save locations that can be reused.
So it is not like a totally hell that people imagine it to be, infact i think it is a good idea as games loss all challenge when you can just run in shooting see what is goig on and load.
As for NW, those maps are not going to waste at all, NW is set to be huge, most of those mappers have either released a map or worked on one as kfs siad, 3 have released official maps you've played, one is working on one and one lost his, so you will kinda be seeig it in ns as they will carry their mapping style accross most likely to their ns levels.
1) In order for a single player map like, say, one from Poke646, you have to first learn the Sven Co-op entities (many of them are new). This takes maybe half an hour to an hour of reading, then going through 20-40 some levels made in worldcraft and going through all the entities, replacing them, setting new properties, so forth, taking anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks. Then, after setting everything up for Sven Co-op, compiling each map over again, taking 30 or so min for each map, thus by math taking aproxomitly 20 hours, and since most people can only do about 2 or 3 each day, taking an additional 5-10 days, then having to wrap it all up in a new package and release it for sven co-op, and then getting it on a website taking an additional 1-2 days, I think it takes longer than a few minutes to convert.
Plus, when you're talking about a mod like Poke646, designed by a large team of people, its hard to get all the stuff, and maybe if you can convince some of the team members to take the long, long ammount of time and work to convert their game to Sven Co-op or something else, you might not be able to convince the others, because I doubt that theres alot of people that want to spend a week converting their stuff to another mod.
2) You seem to want us to call upon the good mappers from all the good single player mods and get them to come and sit down and make beautiful maps for Natural Selection. You can't do that. You can't just find someone really good (maybe hard to contact) and say "Hey, we think you're good, so could you abbandon your current project and make a nice map for our mod?" Think about it. He won't. Besides, we already have almost all the best mappers in the HL community making maps for NS, and they were attracted by their own will, we don't really need to go on a search for good mappers.
3) Why would the good maps for NW go to waste? Many people enjoy single player mods quite alot, Poke646 was extremely popular and played by many people. I enjoy single player mods alot too, I'm even working on my own SP mod right now based on Mars
You guys get everywhere!