Good! Im glad! The community does not need to be any larger. 500 servers is just right. Large communities = bad communities. We got enuf buttheads and a-holes already, we dont need any more.
Considering that NS is only officially a month and a half old, the amount of players it has is quite large. I remember the days when I was playing CS beta 2, there weren't even any servers at all till like beta 4-6.
And I agree a small, enthusiastic community is better than a large community filled with h4ck0r wannabes.
refreshed all servers last night , 512 servers. little over 500 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
but yeh it has leveled off , but then again look at how many people are playing on the servers , if u join an empty server give it maby 10-15mins and its pritty much full <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
i cannot undertstand those people that think less servers and less players is better. does that mean they think deliberately making the mod more stupid so less people want to play it is the way to go?
ya theres around 500 1.03 servers but also another 400+ 1.02 servers. in ASE you can filter it out and see that about half the servers actually on-line havent upgraded to 1.03 for some reason.
<!--QuoteBegin--Dr. Evil+Dec 5 2002, 04:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dr. Evil @ Dec 5 2002, 04:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->in ASE you can filter it out and see that about half the servers actually on-line havent upgraded to 1.03 for some reason. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Maybe they still think Model Consistency is hardcoded
take CS for example , lods and lods and lods of server = more people = more people to play with which is good = more llams which is bad = more people that can hack HL wich is bad.
u will find that most hacks , ie the speed hack for TFC was actualy made for cs so was most wall-hacks ect.
on another note - u everplayed Runescape? there are 1000's of players there and tbh in 4 months of playing it only found 1 person i would call a m8, where as Ogreisland has 100 max players and i knew almost all of them with in a month.
if NS can keep growing stedaly with each patch , making it less laggy (i get 400 ping still) and less little bugs then yes on day it might be the CS killers but for now i say NS is better of have a smaller more involded community.
<!--QuoteBegin--ViPr+Dec 4 2002, 06:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ Dec 4 2002, 06:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i cannot undertstand those people that think less servers and less players is better. does that mean they think deliberately making the mod more stupid so less people want to play it is the way to go?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's like this. You live in the small, quiet pleasant community known as Mayberry. There is no crime and everyone knows each other and gets along. Then the tourists from LA, NY and Miami start visiting....some buy homes in Mayberry. Property taxes go up, trendy little coffee shops like Starbucks start springing up, the cost of everything goes up, crime rate increases, cops become real hardasses, new zoning laws go into effect.....basically your small little friendly town has now turned into just another faceless suburb filled with rejects from the big city. Now your town is filled with a-holes drinking thier Caffe Lattes while driving thier suv's and talking on thier cell phones. Now your Mayberry isnt Mayberry anymore.
<!--QuoteBegin--ViPr+Dec 4 2002, 09:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ Dec 4 2002, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i cannot undertstand those people that think less servers and less players is better. does that mean they think deliberately making the mod more stupid so less people want to play it is the way to go?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Umm I think you have this backwards.... In order to make things more popular you need to make them more stupid. Look at american media. I would personally perfer the game not trying to catter to stupid people.
The auto-end thingy is keeping many servers from being upgraded. A lot of the ACTIVE servers seem to be still 1.02. That one feature ruins the end-game. Play with 1.02 and it is buggy as hell. A bad dilemna.
Instead of giving us an interesting end-game they decided to remove it. That was a bad move. It doesn't change the fact that after a certain point the opposing team has lost and period.
<!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Redrum+Dec 4 2002, 11:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Redrum @ Dec 4 2002, 11:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--ViPr+Dec 4 2002, 09:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ Dec 4 2002, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i cannot undertstand those people that think less servers and less players is better. does that mean they think deliberately making the mod more stupid so less people want to play it is the way to go?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Umm I think you have this backwards.... In order to make things more popular you need to make them more stupid. Look at american media. I would personally perfer the game not trying to catter to stupid people.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly.
The learning curve of Natural Selection is much higher than those shoot-them-up-die-and-respawn mods/games. It is the thing that is temporarily preventing the NS community from becoming some undesirable mess.
I mean look at CS it has some 30,000 servers! It takes ages to refresh even with all filters on <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> And a smaller community also have other advantages over a big: Less lamers, hackers, cheaters, 1337ers etc.
But if the community was too small it would have downsides too: Not enough servers, not enough clans (maybe 20 clans total), not enough puplicity etc.
So yeah, 500 servers is good i think <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--ViPr+Dec 5 2002, 07:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ViPr @ Dec 5 2002, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->500 is not enough! ! ! ! i'm living in the Middle East and i have to play on a server that's in America. that's ridiculous.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh well.
You don't change something that you like just because other people don't like it.
Flayra makes Natural Selection the way he wants it, he can and will use his power and code what he wants.
He wants to please the people who play NS, not just get as many players as he can.
<!--QuoteBegin--Rue+Dec 5 2002, 04:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rue @ Dec 5 2002, 04:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->refreshed all servers last night , 512 servers. little over 500 <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
but yeh it has leveled off , but then again look at how many people are playing on the servers , if u join an empty server give it maby 10-15mins and its pritty much full <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
and little wild is 100% correct<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah, true!
in ASE i see either a server COMPLETLY FULL! or COMPLETLY EMPTY!
All that is needed its someone that always hang on the same server.. they got to get poupular (the servers i mean)
Unfortunately the bigger community the better. With all of the hackers and lamers and clowns out there you also bring along the cool people and full servers that make a mod work. i havent played CS for like a year because of what the game has become... but lets face it the community itself does dictate what the modmakers will do with the game eventually. 500 servers is nowhere near the 10,000 servers that CS is but why are we even entertaining the thought of hoping the mod isnt sucessful. shame on you guys. how selfish can you be?
<!--QuoteBegin--MMZ>Stickman+Dec 5 2002, 08:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MMZ>Stickman @ Dec 5 2002, 08:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Unfortunately the bigger community the better. With all of the hackers and lamers and clowns out there you also bring along the cool people and full servers that make a mod work. i havent played CS for like a year because of what the game has become... but lets face it the community itself does dictate what the modmakers will do with the game eventually. 500 servers is nowhere near the 10,000 servers that CS is but why are we even entertaining the thought of hoping the mod isnt sucessful. shame on you guys. how selfish can you be?
This game is free. If you don't like it, don't play it.
Never **obscenity** that something should be changed, unless it's a balancing issue or something minor. It is Flayra and Company's. Not yours. Not the community's.
One thing from keeping this community from growing is the amount of CPU cycles this game consumes server-side.
If this game consumed the same amount of processor power as CS or DoD, there would be a LOT more servers. Not that you need a bunch of servers in order to be popular, because a lot are have zero people (set your filter options not to filter games 'that have people currently playing' - you'll get an extra 800-1000 servers added to your list). It just makes starting & maintaining a community a lot easier.
I for one would have a site and server dedicated to this game if it was a bit easier on the CPU. But on my income I can't stand to pay $150++ for a 16 person server. I have to wait until I return from Boot Camp (Army, Cav Scout) to build my own server & have it colocated onto some uber-network.
Actually the netcode for NS is stellar. So your connection doesn't have to be a DS-3 to get decent server pings. It IS hard on the CPU though, so I would suggest saving money on the monthly connection and putting it towards getting the beefiest system you can. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I'd think an Athlon 2gig with 512mb DDR RAM and a 7200rpm or better drive would run things pretty darn well. Can't remember the exact specs of the system that we've got our server running on. I know it's not a 2gig CPU, but it does a pretty good job in the 6 vs. 6ish games we typically run.
NS has about 500 servers and between 1500 and 3000 players at every time.
Prior to the release, I was secretly feeding hopes of such insane numbers as 20 (!) servers, so I could chose a little. NS has done the best start <i>any</i> mod has <i>ever</i> accomplished - seeing how AA failed horribly at providing enough servers at the release day, we're even better than the <i>Pentagon</i> <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Really, if it all depended on me, it could go on like this forever.
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There is ALWAYS room for more CSers and commanders/gorges that have no idea what they are doing.
And I agree a small, enthusiastic community is better than a large community filled with h4ck0r wannabes.
but yeh it has leveled off , but then again look at how many people are playing on the servers , if u join an empty server give it maby 10-15mins and its pritty much full <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
and little wild is 100% correct
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Maybe they still think Model Consistency is hardcoded
lods and lods and lods of server = more people = more people to play with which is good = more llams which is bad = more people that can hack HL wich is bad.
u will find that most hacks , ie the speed hack for TFC was actualy made for cs so was most wall-hacks ect.
on another note - u everplayed Runescape? there are 1000's of players there and tbh in 4 months of playing it only found 1 person i would call a m8, where as Ogreisland has 100 max players and i knew almost all of them with in a month.
if NS can keep growing stedaly with each patch , making it less laggy (i get 400 ping still) and less little bugs then yes on day it might be the CS killers but for now i say NS is better of have a smaller more involded community.
It's like this. You live in the small, quiet pleasant community known as Mayberry. There is no crime and everyone knows each other and gets along. Then the tourists from LA, NY and Miami start visiting....some buy homes in Mayberry. Property taxes go up, trendy little coffee shops like Starbucks start springing up, the cost of everything goes up, crime rate increases, cops become real hardasses, new zoning laws go into effect.....basically your small little friendly town has now turned into just another faceless suburb filled with rejects from the big city. Now your town is filled with a-holes drinking thier Caffe Lattes while driving thier suv's and talking on thier cell phones. Now your Mayberry isnt Mayberry anymore.
Umm I think you have this backwards.... In order to make things more popular you need to make them more stupid. Look at american media. I would personally perfer the game not trying to catter to stupid people.
Instead of giving us an interesting end-game they decided to remove it. That was a bad move. It doesn't change the fact that after a certain point the opposing team has lost and period.
Umm I think you have this backwards.... In order to make things more popular you need to make them more stupid. Look at american media. I would personally perfer the game not trying to catter to stupid people.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly.
The learning curve of Natural Selection is much higher than those shoot-them-up-die-and-respawn mods/games. It is the thing that is temporarily preventing the NS community from becoming some undesirable mess.
I mean look at CS it has some 30,000 servers! It takes ages to refresh even with all filters on <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
And a smaller community also have other advantages over a big: Less lamers, hackers, cheaters, 1337ers etc.
But if the community was too small it would have downsides too: Not enough servers, not enough clans (maybe 20 clans total), not enough puplicity etc.
So yeah, 500 servers is good i think <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Oh well.
You don't change something that you like just because other people don't like it.
Flayra makes Natural Selection the way he wants it, he can and will use his power and code what he wants.
He wants to please the people who play NS, not just get as many players as he can.
At least, that's how I see it.
but yeh it has leveled off , but then again look at how many people are playing on the servers , if u join an empty server give it maby 10-15mins and its pritty much full <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
and little wild is 100% correct<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah, true!
in ASE i see either a server COMPLETLY FULL! or COMPLETLY EMPTY!
All that is needed its someone that always hang on the same server.. they got to get poupular (the servers i mean)
-Stick
-Stick<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
SELFISH?
You sir, are a turnip.
This game is free. If you don't like it, don't play it.
Never **obscenity** that something should be changed, unless it's a balancing issue or something minor. It is Flayra and Company's. Not yours. Not the community's.
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If this game consumed the same amount of processor power as CS or DoD, there would be a LOT more servers.
Not that you need a bunch of servers in order to be popular, because a lot are have zero people (set your filter options not to filter games 'that have people currently playing' - you'll get an extra 800-1000 servers added to your list). It just makes starting & maintaining a community a lot easier.
I for one would have a site and server dedicated to this game if it was a bit easier on the CPU. But on my income I can't stand to pay $150++ for a 16 person server. I have to wait until I return from Boot Camp (Army, Cav Scout) to build my own server & have it colocated onto some uber-network.
Prior to the release, I was secretly feeding hopes of such insane numbers as 20 (!) servers, so I could chose a little. NS has done the best start <i>any</i> mod has <i>ever</i> accomplished - seeing how AA failed horribly at providing enough servers at the release day, we're even better than the <i>Pentagon</i> <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Really, if it all depended on me, it could go on like this forever.