Celeron Question
RichoDemus
Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8835Members
Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8835Members
first, look at this:
INTEL CELERON 1400MHZ 256KB CACHE 100MHZ FCPGA2 695 SEK around 70 $
INTEL PENTIUM III 1.4GHZ 512KB 133MHZ BUS FCPGA2 2,295 SEK around 230 $
why is the Celeron so **obscenity** cheap?
Would this Celeron be equal to a 1GHz AMD XP+ ?
And Can a celeron be a server? or is it not recommended?
I also wonder what people would prefer? Reserved slots or autokicking the one with the highest ping when an admin joins?
and someone said that they generate alot of heat, does that mean they sound much?
INTEL CELERON 1400MHZ 256KB CACHE 100MHZ FCPGA2 695 SEK around 70 $
INTEL PENTIUM III 1.4GHZ 512KB 133MHZ BUS FCPGA2 2,295 SEK around 230 $
why is the Celeron so **obscenity** cheap?
Would this Celeron be equal to a 1GHz AMD XP+ ?
And Can a celeron be a server? or is it not recommended?
I also wonder what people would prefer? Reserved slots or autokicking the one with the highest ping when an admin joins?
and someone said that they generate alot of heat, does that mean they sound much?
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As far as comparing it to the AMD chips. AMD has been playing name games with its cpu's lately. For example. a 2000+ AMD cpu isnt not a true 2gig MHZ cpu. It only runs at like 1666MHZ. But it does benchmark as fast as an intel 2gig cpu. Cellerons do compare to AMD in that both chips are easier to overclock then an intel chip. Cellerons are intels "cheap" chip version of the pentiuml. But like the intel pent. chips, AMD runs at a faster FSB then the celleron does. (hotter too!)
Sure a celleron can be run as a server. You can't run dual cellerons easily. (newer cellerons might be able to, but the older cellerons needed a wire soldered between them to get them to SMP.(Symetrical Multi Processor) But for that matter, the only AMD chips that can be SMP'd are the AMD MP chips. Usually 2x the price of a xp etc)) But of course keep in mind the celleron is a cheaper chip and wont preform as well as a pent or an AMD would.
As far as cpu temps. Yes AMD's run alot hotter then ither intel chips do. But generally this isnt a problem if your case is well ventilated. If your putting an AMD chip in a reg case, it shouldent be a problem for you to keep it cool. If your fitting it in a rack mount case like cu1 for example. You will want to ensure it can breath well.
Concerning the reserve slot system. Thats really a personal choice. I myself preffer and use the 1 slot, kick the highest pinger setting. Due mainly to the fact that I offer all my regs a reserve slot, not just my admins. And I don't want to dedicate X ammount of slots to the reserve system. But if your wondering about how the different settings work (for adminMod) I will paste the examples from AdminMods docs.
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reserve_type <#>
This controls how reserve slots work on the server (the default is 0).
reserve_type 0
Public slots are used in preference to reserved slots. Reserved slots are freed before public slots.
reserve_type 1
One slot is always reserved (regardless of reserve_slots). If someone with reserve access joins into that slot, the highest pinger without reserve access is kicked to make room. Thus, one slot always remains free.
reserve_type 2
Reserve slots are used in preference to public slots. Public slots are freed before reserved slots. The difference between reserve_type 0 and reserve_type 2 may not be immediately apparent. Here's an example: Suppose there is a 16 player server, with 2 reserved slots. Thus, with no one on, there are 14 public slots, and 2 reserved slots
reserve_type 0:
Someone with reserved access joins. There are now 13 public slots, and 2 reserved slots (the person does not take a reserved slot, because those are used only when necessary). The server later fills up, so there are 0 public slots and 0 reserved slots. If anyone leaves, whether they have reserved access or not, it is a reserved slot that is freed, not a public one.
reserve_type 2:
Someone with reserved access joins. There are now 14 public slots, and 1 reserved slot (the person takes a reserved slot). The server later fills up, so there are 0 public slots and 0 reserved slots. If someone with reserved access leaves, it frees up a reserved slot; if someone without reserved access leaves, it frees up a public slot.
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If you are going to run a large reserve slot system, I would recommend that you install MySQL database, and run the MySQL enabled AdminMod. I also have a little PHP script I can supply that I use for easy administration of the AdminMod files.(users.ini, words.ini, ips.ini, models.ini, plugins.ini) I'd reccomend its use for anyone useing AdminMod, as it also has a permissions calculator built into it. Makeing adding admins easy.)
Yes, same thing with cellerons, "offically" they can't be SMP'd, but bridgeing them would allow it to work.
btw it runs at 3ghz but wasn't stable enough for prolonged gaming
If I want to buy a new motherboard and processor, which brand is to recommend? Athlon, Duron, Pentium or Celeron?
The thing I wonder: Will a the celeron "INTEL CELERON 1400MHZ 256KB CACHE 100MHZ FCPGA2" compare to a 1GHz AMD? and will it be stable?
If you want to buy a new motherboard and CPU then you should be looking around at the tech review sites - there is no simple answer to what you should buy. Ultimately this is not the place to discuss the purchasing of new kit.
If you want a few pointers where to look for hardware reviews then check out:
<a href='http://www.tomshardware.com' target='_blank'>Tomshardware</a>
<a href='http://www.hardocp.com' target='_blank'>HardOCP</a>
<a href='http://www.hexus.net/' target='_blank'>Hexus</a>
Those are just the first three to enter my head - there are thousands of review sites out there.
In answer to your original question - can a celeron be used for a server - Yes it can!
I run a 10 player server on a Celeron 900. Its not particularly fast but it does the job.
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If you want to keep people coming back to your server I would strongly recomend you don't take the latter option - I know I certainly wouldn't come back if that happened to me.
With regards to sound, heat and CPU speed. Its another big question that can't really be answered here - check out the review sites above for cooling option and make your own decision based on your requirements.
on an old CS server I ran we tried out this solution and it really **obscenity** off some regulars. with NS and the high cpu usage I wonder who will get kicked since we all show 200-500 ping on ns_hera lol
I'm on the lan with 1-10ms and it can show as high as 500 ping for me so I could get kicked out of my own server possibly <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
on an old CS server I ran we tried out this solution and it really **obscenity** off some regulars. with NS and the high cpu usage I wonder who will get kicked since we all show 200-500 ping on ns_hera lol
I'm on the lan with 1-10ms and it can show as high as 500 ping for me so I could get kicked out of my own server possibly <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
LOL, the reserve slot system was a matter of contention for me as well. I have a large following of regs, And most follow my server to whatever new game I'm running, as I've been running game servers for like 6 years now.
So, it was iether listen to all the regs complaing about never being able to join cuz the servers always full. OR, kick the highest non reg players to make room for the regular players. Reserve system wont kick someone with reserve spot access, only the highest pinger who doesn't have reserve access. So I caved in to my regulars.
But I must agree, It worked well with cs etc. But with the cpu utilization problem with the linux version of ns giving large pings. Its not the best or even a good solution. But to me anyways, its better then the other 2 options. And keeping the regular players who stick with me thru game changes net or harware problems etc. Is more importatnt to me then the guy who might join my server once or twice.