Making NS3?

eat_those_lemonseat_those_lemons United States Join Date: 2013-10-04 Member: 188583Members
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I was wondering since the CDT is now working on NS2 is it possible to for a 3rd party to make ns3? On their own engine? Unknown worlds has copy right on "All artwork, sounds, audio, screenshots, text and code in Natural Selection, Zen of Sudoku and Natural Selection 2 and on this site are Copyright © 2013 Unknown Worlds Entertainment, Inc." from copyright policy on bottom of web page

So is that possible?
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  • LamboLambo Iceland Join Date: 2012-08-07 Member: 154915Members, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    lol
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  • NotPaLaGiNotPaLaGi Join Date: 2014-05-29 Member: 196291Members
    poor kid is probably 15 years old or younger don't laugh
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  • LamboLambo Iceland Join Date: 2012-08-07 Member: 154915Members, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    NotPaLaGi wrote: »
    poor kid is probably 15 years old or younger don't laugh

    1337% more funnier.
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  • BeigeAlertBeigeAlert Texas Join Date: 2013-08-08 Member: 186657Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    eat_those_lemons wrote: »
    So is that possible?

    No.
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  • deathshrouddeathshroud Join Date: 2010-04-10 Member: 71291Members
    just.. no
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  • MauvaisVitrierMauvaisVitrier France Join Date: 2014-04-10 Member: 195291Members, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond
    They're actually working on Call of Duty Black Ops 3. Running on Sparks 2
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  • CCTEECCTEE Join Date: 2013-06-20 Member: 185634Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I wonder if NS2 was a big enough commercial and creative succes for UWE to consider making NS3 (one day).
    Any dev care to comment?
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  • PelargirPelargir Join Date: 2013-07-02 Member: 185857Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, WC 2013 - Silver, Forum staff
    CCTEE wrote: »
    I wonder if NS2 was a big enough commercial and creative succes for UWE to consider making NS3 (one day).
    Any dev care to comment?

    The answer is obvious looking at Subnautica and Future Perfect on the way.

    Would like to see another NS-like though. Not necessarily a remake or made by UWE. But another game in the same type.
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  • deathshrouddeathshroud Join Date: 2010-04-10 Member: 71291Members
    i think ns2 did reasonably well sales wise, they kept the game going for quite a while, we seen a couple of expansions to but in the end whilst it was successful it was no CS or TF2 and at some point the devs have to start working towards another payday.

    Also i think UWE realized that making a competitive ambitious and original game like ns2 is hard work and thats why they wanted a break from it with subnautica. At some point i have no doubt ns3 will happen. Well unless uwe can find iis killing floor or l4d.


    on a different yet still game related note. I am keeping everything crossed in the hopes of eventually seeing an incubation remake/ sequel from someone.

    You can buy the game on gog.com in the battle isles game pack. One of the greatest games of all time imo.
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  • PelargirPelargir Join Date: 2013-07-02 Member: 185857Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, WC 2013 - Silver, Forum staff
    deathshroud wrote: »
    i think ns2 did reasonably well sales wise, they kept the game going for quite a while, we seen a couple of expansions to but in the end whilst it was successful it was no CS or TF2 and at some point the devs have to start working towards another payday.

    When a company begins / can afford to sell its game 1 dollar, that means it sold well.
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  • deathshrouddeathshroud Join Date: 2010-04-10 Member: 71291Members
    Pelargir wrote: »
    deathshroud wrote: »
    i think ns2 did reasonably well sales wise, they kept the game going for quite a while, we seen a couple of expansions to but in the end whilst it was successful it was no CS or TF2 and at some point the devs have to start working towards another payday.

    When a company begins / can afford to sell its game 1 dollar, that means it sold well.


    well it was something like 5 years ago the game launched, games 5 years old tend to cost very little. Also its a niche game from an indie company made on a shoe string budget and not an AAA title with millions and millions invested in it. So relatively it did very well.
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  • PelargirPelargir Join Date: 2013-07-02 Member: 185857Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, WC 2013 - Silver, Forum staff
    edited April 2015
    deathshroud wrote: »
    Pelargir wrote: »
    deathshroud wrote: »
    i think ns2 did reasonably well sales wise, they kept the game going for quite a while, we seen a couple of expansions to but in the end whilst it was successful it was no CS or TF2 and at some point the devs have to start working towards another payday.

    When a company begins / can afford to sell its game 1 dollar, that means it sold well.


    well it was something like 5 years ago the game launched, games 5 years old tend to cost very little. Also its a niche game from an indie company made on a shoe string budget and not an AAA title with millions and millions invested in it. So relatively it did very well.

    Maybe but the game was officially barely released 1 year before the first Humble Bundle. And they did that lots of times. It proves that they were comfortable in their turnover. Which is a really nice thing.
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  • ChizzlerChizzler Join Date: 2013-01-04 Member: 177532Members
    A few comments here seem a little dismissive of the OP's question. Plenty of IP's are worked on by multiple developers. Call of Duty comes to mind (Treyarch,Infinity Ward & Sledgehammer). Natural Selection 2 gave birth to NS2 Combat, from Faultline games. So, yes, technically a third party could create NS3, but only with the approval of the IP holders (Unknown Worlds)... Not that I'd like to see it happen.
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  • cooliticcoolitic Right behind you Join Date: 2013-04-02 Member: 184609Members
    No chance that proper development will even start before Future Perfect is released.
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  • meatmachinemeatmachine South England Join Date: 2013-01-06 Member: 177858Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    or after
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  • DaveodethDaveodeth Join Date: 2012-11-21 Member: 172717Members
    Chizzler wrote: »
    A few comments here seem a little dismissive of the OP's question. Plenty of IP's are worked on by multiple developers. Call of Duty comes to mind (Treyarch,Infinity Ward & Sledgehammer). Natural Selection 2 gave birth to NS2 Combat, from Faultline games. So, yes, technically a third party could create NS3, but only with the approval of the IP holders (Unknown Worlds)... Not that I'd like to see it happen.

    things tend to happen again when their successful....
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  • MuckyMcFlyMuckyMcFly Join Date: 2012-03-19 Member: 148982Members, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow
    The yearly CoD seems to have broken peoples brain and they expect a new iteration out every year or so. I can't see NS3 happening any time in the next 5 years.

    Back to OP, I guess if you came up with some epic proof UWE would give it a look, after all its all about the money right? :)
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  • NammNamm Join Date: 2011-12-08 Member: 137116Members
    If they ever do an NS3 I hope they do something really new and doesn't just stick with the "1/3 new, 1/3 improved and 1/3 old" idea. It's strange NS2 had no new (playable) lifeforms when you think of it. The concept is that the Kharaa is continually evolving and that the bacteria "assimilates" whatever lifeform it encounters. The Kharaa bumped into humans in NS1, so why didn't we see "bacteriarized" humans in NS2?
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  • meatmachinemeatmachine South England Join Date: 2013-01-06 Member: 177858Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    NS3 plus comme Starship Troopers: The videogame (that doesnt suck).
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Namm wrote: »
    If they ever do an NS3 I hope they do something really new and doesn't just stick with the "1/3 new, 1/3 improved and 1/3 old" idea. It's strange NS2 had no new (playable) lifeforms when you think of it. The concept is that the Kharaa is continually evolving and that the bacteria "assimilates" whatever lifeform it encounters. The Kharaa bumped into humans in NS1, so why didn't we see "bacteriarized" humans in NS2?

    Cause humans aren't that special when it comes to combat efficiency without the brain power and weaponry, we are kinda worthless without our toys. So we wouldn't really make good soldiers in Kharaa terms of service :P


    Also SPACE ORKS!
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  • deathshrouddeathshroud Join Date: 2010-04-10 Member: 71291Members
    a 3rd robotic race would have been awesome.. although i have no idea how that would balance in 3 teams on 1 map or 2 random teams?
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  • BeigeAlertBeigeAlert Texas Join Date: 2013-08-08 Member: 186657Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts
    Just need to add the Protoss to NS2... (Topross? Prosott? Some kind of a knockoff...)
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  • MuckyMcFlyMuckyMcFly Join Date: 2012-03-19 Member: 148982Members, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited April 2015
    NS2 could have three teams, Alien, Marine and Forum Dwellers.... large scale maps and vehicles. I want to see a gorge riding an Ono's into battle!

    In all seriousness if I was UWE I would make a FPS DoTA/NS2 hybrid. F2P with skins/heroes to buy. <©™ to ME, 25% cut of sales, thank you I'm here all week :P >

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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Gorge is perfect for Moba, just imagine his kharaa powers
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  • meatmachinemeatmachine South England Join Date: 2013-01-06 Member: 177858Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    MOBAs are at the height of their popularity at the moment, and big devs are starting to make team-based FPMOBAs like Overwatch and Battleborn. Sadly I think it might be too late for the NS universe to jump on that bandwagon of dollarinos.

    There is actually a LOT that NS needs before it can be the AAAgrade big shiny milky cash cow we all believe it can be.

    Our best bet as a community is to mod the shit out of NS2. If you think you know what NS3 should look like, make it so.
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  • NammNamm Join Date: 2011-12-08 Member: 137116Members
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    Namm wrote: »
    If they ever do an NS3 I hope they do something really new and doesn't just stick with the "1/3 new, 1/3 improved and 1/3 old" idea. It's strange NS2 had no new (playable) lifeforms when you think of it. The concept is that the Kharaa is continually evolving and that the bacteria "assimilates" whatever lifeform it encounters. The Kharaa bumped into humans in NS1, so why didn't we see "bacteriarized" humans in NS2?

    Cause humans aren't that special when it comes to combat efficiency without the brain power and weaponry, we are kinda worthless without our toys. So we wouldn't really make good soldiers in Kharaa terms of service :P


    Also SPACE ORKS!
    Assimilated humans could bring their technology to the Kharaa. Storywise. What I'm saying is Gorges with jetpacks.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Namm wrote: »
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    Namm wrote: »
    If they ever do an NS3 I hope they do something really new and doesn't just stick with the "1/3 new, 1/3 improved and 1/3 old" idea. It's strange NS2 had no new (playable) lifeforms when you think of it. The concept is that the Kharaa is continually evolving and that the bacteria "assimilates" whatever lifeform it encounters. The Kharaa bumped into humans in NS1, so why didn't we see "bacteriarized" humans in NS2?

    Cause humans aren't that special when it comes to combat efficiency without the brain power and weaponry, we are kinda worthless without our toys. So we wouldn't really make good soldiers in Kharaa terms of service :P


    Also SPACE ORKS!
    Assimilated humans could bring their technology to the Kharaa. Storywise. What I'm saying is Gorges with jetpacks.

    Agreed, jetpack powered bellyslide!
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  • BlrgBlrg Join Date: 2013-09-01 Member: 187580Members, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Shadow
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    Gorge is perfect for Moba, just imagine his kharaa powers

    Gnaw in Awesomenauts is essentially a Gorge in a Moba
    He spits acid and build plants that attack enemies

    That game is full of references, so I am pretty sure that the resemblance is not coincidental
    The only difference is that he can bite and he can't heal
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  • SantaClawsSantaClaws Denmark Join Date: 2012-07-31 Member: 154491Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    meatmachine wrote: »
    big devs are starting to make team-based FPMOBAs like Overwatch and Battleborn.

    Overwatch is nothing like a moba, why do people keep saying this? There are no npc's for starters. There is no economy, no experience points etc.

    Overwatch is a pretty traditional class-based FPS, not unlike TF2 or dirty bomb.

    NS2 is far more like a moba than Overwatch is.
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  • Cannon_FodderAUSCannon_FodderAUS Brisbane, AU Join Date: 2013-06-23 Member: 185664Members, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    Honestly, I think NS2 can totally work like a MOBA, it is like it now:

    *lane block
    *upgraded abilities
    *XP?

    Holy crap, did I just describe NS:Combat?
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