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FoxyFoxy United Kingdom Join Date: 2014-08-19 Member: 198032Members, Forum Admins, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Forum staff Posts: 462 mod
Hello,

I've recently (with thanks to Comprox) undertaken some major house-keeping on the Wiki. (30,000 spam articles deleted!) but there's still a whole lot more to do! I'm in the process of blocking all the nasty bot accounts and after that will be focusing on updating as much of the content as is possible. There are already a core of users that maintain certain articles, and they do a great job, but hopefully the wider community will take a renewed interest in it, as it's a great resource for players, both new and old! Multi-lingual users in particular would be great.

Anything you think you can do to help, please do!

Any questions? Please ask away!

Thanks! <3
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  • PelargirPelargir Join Date: 2013-07-02 Member: 185857Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, WC 2013 - Silver, Forum staff Posts: 1,183 mod
    I'm trying to keep the Maps Index up to date, that's all I can do. But that would be great to get a proper Wiki actually.
    "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"

    "It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to."


    Foxy
  • Cannon_FodderAUSCannon_FodderAUS Brisbane, AU Join Date: 2013-06-23 Member: 185664Members, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 876 Advanced user
    edited February 2015
    @FoxyUK I have been keeping the build versions upto date and also changing little bits to reflect the new version changes (res cost, damage, new abilities (eg. shadow step removal). I have made an orphan page called To Do List (search "To do" in the wiki to get to it). In there, I have started listing what I thought were things missing, if you have any suggestion about pages to add, please put it there. If you are working on a new page, please link it there and put your username there so we know it has been worked on. I check there every so often and will continue to update the page as I go. Please see my previous thread to see what I think needs doing.

    Does the wiki have the Cite extension installed? @d4rkAlf wanted to put some footnotes in, but have had no luck.
    Good Work FoxyUK for killing the spam pages.

    edit: typos
    Author of a ePaper manual for NS2, now also a steam guide
    Co-wrote the Marine EXO Suit Protocol
    Foxy
  • soccerguy243soccerguy243 Join Date: 2012-12-22 Member: 175920Members, WC 2013 - Supporter Posts: 515 Advanced user
  • FoxyFoxy United Kingdom Join Date: 2014-08-19 Member: 198032Members, Forum Admins, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Forum staff Posts: 462 mod
    @FoxyUK I have been keeping the build versions upto date and also changing little bits to reflect the new version changes (res cost, damage, new abilities (eg. shadow step removal). I have made an orphan page called To Do List (search "To do" in the wiki to get to it). In there, I have started listing what I thought were things missing, if you have any suggestion about pages to add, please put it there. If you are working on a new page, please link it there and put your username there so we know it has been worked on. I check there every so often and will continue to update the page as I go. Please see my previous thread to see what I think needs doing.

    Does the wiki have the Cite extension installed? @d4rkAlf wanted to put some footnotes in, but have had no luck.
    Good Work FoxyUK for killing the spam pages.

    edit: typos

    Yes, I've noticed the great work you've done on the patch notes so big kudos for that and big thanks to @d4rkAlf for his work on the dedicated server page, I've updated the Biomass template and I'll update the Kharaa tech tree fully to reflect the new build, then see what else I find that needs updating, The installed extensions are here http://wiki.unknownworlds.com/ns2/Special:Version I've already requested Nuke to be installed to ensure we can quickly kill any pages created by spam bots in the future and I'm working on obtaining some efficient abuse filters from people I know in the wikipedia/wikimedia crowd. :)
    d4rkAlf
  • Cannon_FodderAUSCannon_FodderAUS Brisbane, AU Join Date: 2013-06-23 Member: 185664Members, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 876 Advanced user
    Author of a ePaper manual for NS2, now also a steam guide
    Co-wrote the Marine EXO Suit Protocol
    d4rkAlf
  • d4rkAlfd4rkAlf Sweden Join Date: 2013-11-12 Member: 189309Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 169 Fully active user
    FoxyUK wrote: »
    @FoxyUK I have been keeping the build versions upto date and also changing little bits to reflect the new version changes (res cost, damage, new abilities (eg. shadow step removal). I have made an orphan page called To Do List (search "To do" in the wiki to get to it). In there, I have started listing what I thought were things missing, if you have any suggestion about pages to add, please put it there. If you are working on a new page, please link it there and put your username there so we know it has been worked on. I check there every so often and will continue to update the page as I go. Please see my previous thread to see what I think needs doing.

    Does the wiki have the Cite extension installed? @d4rkAlf wanted to put some footnotes in, but have had no luck.
    Good Work FoxyUK for killing the spam pages.

    edit: typos

    Yes, I've noticed the great work you've done on the patch notes so big kudos for that and big thanks to @d4rkAlf for his work on the dedicated server page, I've updated the Biomass template and I'll update the Kharaa tech tree fully to reflect the new build, then see what else I find that needs updating, The installed extensions are here http://wiki.unknownworlds.com/ns2/Special:Version I've already requested Nuke to be installed to ensure we can quickly kill any pages created by spam bots in the future and I'm working on obtaining some efficient abuse filters from people I know in the wikipedia/wikimedia crowd. :)

    As far as I can tell the Cite extension is needed for proper footnotes. Could you request that as well?
  • HoeloeHoeloe Switzerland Join Date: 2014-03-02 Member: 194487Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 98 Fully active user
    I would like to translate the wiki into german, the only thing that keeps me from doing that: I don't know if all english pages are updated and I don't want to translate outdated stuff. The german part realy needs a rework cause there are some realy old things (like on mainpage: Das Spiel befindet sich momentan in einer frühen Beta-Phase. = The game is in a early beta state... oh rly? This explains a lot :P ).
  • PelargirPelargir Join Date: 2013-07-02 Member: 185857Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, WC 2013 - Silver, Forum staff Posts: 1,183 mod
    Hoeloe wrote: »
    I would like to translate the wiki into german, the only thing that keeps me from doing that: I don't know if all english pages are updated and I don't want to translate outdated stuff. The german part realy needs a rework cause there are some realy old things (like on mainpage: Das Spiel befindet sich momentan in einer frühen Beta-Phase. = The game is in a early beta state... oh rly? This explains a lot :P ).

    I'm feeling the same for the French translation.
    "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"

    "It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to."


  • HoeloeHoeloe Switzerland Join Date: 2014-03-02 Member: 194487Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 98 Fully active user
    Haha, just checked the french part, it's even worse: :))
    Le jeu est actuellement au stade d'une version pré alpha.
  • Cannon_FodderAUSCannon_FodderAUS Brisbane, AU Join Date: 2013-06-23 Member: 185664Members, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 876 Advanced user
    @Hoeloe @Pelargir I think most of it is up to date. The only things that aren't upto date are missing pages (eg. DLCs, web etc...). I have gone through all the changes up to 274 on everything including damage values.
    Author of a ePaper manual for NS2, now also a steam guide
    Co-wrote the Marine EXO Suit Protocol
  • FoxyFoxy United Kingdom Join Date: 2014-08-19 Member: 198032Members, Forum Admins, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Forum staff Posts: 462 mod
    @Hoeloe @Pelargir translators would be awesome! We can maybe do an article at a time? Get it fully up to date in English then tag it with a up to date/ready to translate template? I also highly suggest using templates to store as much data as possible and transcluding them into articles so when things do change, you can just change the template itself and not 5-6 articles. @d4rkAlf I'll ask Comprox, he is in touch with the person who has FTP access :)
  • HoeloeHoeloe Switzerland Join Date: 2014-03-02 Member: 194487Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 98 Fully active user
    edited February 2015
    @Cannon_FodderAUS Thx, but i still think there are some outdated pages. My problem is, I am a total wiki-noob and I don't want to mess it up. I just thought about recent changes like PRes start with 15Res and cheaper Gorge Tunnel. The 15PRes start is not even mentioned on the page and Gorge Tunnel is still with 5PRes. What I want to say: I'm not sure about all those numbers in the wiki (damage, health, runspeeds, ranges, times) and it doesn't makes sence to translate them all when they are wrong...

    @FoxyUK That would be okay for me. I don't know how to manage that, but doing/checking one article after another would be better instead of randomly translating wrong stuff.
    Post edited by Hoeloe on
  • YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 1,243 Advanced user
    edited February 2015
    Do you think it would be a good idea to hard link the wiki under the "Game Guide" section of the UWE NS2 website, it would be handy for rookies to have that information available from the get go rather than delve into the forums searching for it? @Comprox
    Post edited by Yojimbo on
    Today's rookies are tomorrow's vets.

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  • d4rkAlfd4rkAlf Sweden Join Date: 2013-11-12 Member: 189309Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 169 Fully active user
    Yojimbo wrote: »
    Do you think it would be a good idea to hard link the wiki under the "Game Guide" section of the UWE NS2 website, it would be handy for rookies to have that information available from the get go rather than delve into the forums searching for it? @Comprox

    That definitely makes sense once the wiki is more up to date. As it stands now however it might just confuse new players more than it helps them.
  • FoxyFoxy United Kingdom Join Date: 2014-08-19 Member: 198032Members, Forum Admins, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Forum staff Posts: 462 mod
    Hoeloe wrote: »
    @Cannon_FodderAUS Thx, but i still think there are some outdated pages. My problem is, I am a total wiki-noob and I don't want to mess it up. I just thought about recent changes like PRes start with 15Res and cheaper Gorge Tunnel. The 15PRes start is not even mentioned on the page and Gorge Tunnel is still with 5PRes. What I want to say: I'm not sure about all those numbers in the wiki (damage, health, runspeeds, ranges, times) and it doesn't makes sence to translate them all when they are wrong...

    @FoxyUK That would be okay for me. I don't know how to manage that, but doing/checking one article after another would be better instead of randomly translating wrong stuff.


    Anything you break can easily be reverted, the beauty of a mediawik is it retains all changes and even keeps deleted articles (unless they are suppressed or oversighted etc.) which in itself requires additional extensions, just be brave and edit :)
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands, Hoogezand Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Posts: 15,780 Advanced user
    Yojimbo wrote: »
    Do you think it would be a good idea to hard link the wiki under the "Game Guide" section of the UWE NS2 website, it would be handy for rookies to have that information available from the get go rather than delve into the forums searching for it? @Comprox

    Definitely, I like my links hard and clickable!


    Also is a outsourced wiki an idea, something like... I dunno... haven't really looked into it but... Google says wikia...

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  • FoxyFoxy United Kingdom Join Date: 2014-08-19 Member: 198032Members, Forum Admins, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Forum staff Posts: 462 mod
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    Yojimbo wrote: »
    Do you think it would be a good idea to hard link the wiki under the "Game Guide" section of the UWE NS2 website, it would be handy for rookies to have that information available from the get go rather than delve into the forums searching for it? @Comprox

    Definitely, I like my links hard and clickable!


    Also is a outsourced wiki an idea, something like... I dunno... haven't really looked into it but... Google says wikia...

    Wikia is just a free wiki hosting platform, there is already an NS2 wiki there, but it is very lacking in content. Generally Wikia is only used when there are no alternatives, in this case, UWE has been kind enough to host a wiki, now its up to us to keep it up-to date! :)

    d4rkAlf
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands, Hoogezand Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Posts: 15,780 Advanced user
    edited February 2015
    Fair enough, I just thought having some specific (dedicated?) wiki host would be a bigger counter against spam. I know we've had some issues on the current wiki with lacking features and the wiki package being up to date, because of lack of access to the core system...


    Good to see this new initiative though =D>

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  • FoxyFoxy United Kingdom Join Date: 2014-08-19 Member: 198032Members, Forum Admins, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Forum staff Posts: 462 mod
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    Fair enough, I just thought having some specific (dedicated?) wiki host would be a bigger counter against spam. I know we've had some issues on the current wiki with lacking features and the wiki package being up to date, because of lack of access to the core system...


    Good to see this new initiative though =D>

    The article spam is manageable and preventable, I'm working on preventing the account creation in the first place - there's anywhere from 10-40 or so new spam accounts created every day!

  • Cannon_FodderAUSCannon_FodderAUS Brisbane, AU Join Date: 2013-06-23 Member: 185664Members, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 876 Advanced user
    edited February 2015
    Hoeloe wrote: »
    @Cannon_FodderAUS Thx, but i still think there are some outdated pages. My problem is, I am a total wiki-noob and I don't want to mess it up. I just thought about recent changes like PRes start with 15Res and cheaper Gorge Tunnel. The 15PRes start is not even mentioned on the page and Gorge Tunnel is still with 5PRes. What I want to say: I'm not sure about all those numbers in the wiki (damage, health, runspeeds, ranges, times) and it doesn't makes sence to translate them all when they are wrong...

    @FoxyUK That would be okay for me. I don't know how to manage that, but doing/checking one article after another would be better instead of randomly translating wrong stuff.

    Thanks for checking this out. Oversight on my part. I will correct on the wiki.
    This is part of the reason when I wrote my guide and manual, I didn't put numbers on there (because it can change).
    Author of a ePaper manual for NS2, now also a steam guide
    Co-wrote the Marine EXO Suit Protocol
  • PelargirPelargir Join Date: 2013-07-02 Member: 185857Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, WC 2013 - Silver, Forum staff Posts: 1,183 mod
    FoxyUK wrote: »
    @Hoeloe @Pelargir translators would be awesome! We can maybe do an article at a time? Get it fully up to date in English then tag it with a up to date/ready to translate template? I also highly suggest using templates to store as much data as possible and transcluding them into articles so when things do change, you can just change the template itself and not 5-6 articles. @d4rkAlf I'll ask Comprox, he is in touch with the person who has FTP access :)

    The thing is, in its current situation, it looks super confusing to know if we can translate this article, or this other.
    There's no way to figure out what can be changed and what cannot be. I'm always like: "Can I update this or will it also change the English version despite the fact I'm supposed to be in the French part?". There's also lots of things that I cannot modify because I don't find where they are such as the one mentioned below about the game being still in beta or something. I can't see any option to update that.

    Honestly, it'd be easier to remove the whole French translation, await the English one to get up to date and then, doing the job again. I don't even know who's been in charge of translating the Wiki in the past.
    "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"

    "It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to."


  • YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 1,243 Advanced user
    Never really understood the difference between wiki and wikia
    Today's rookies are tomorrow's vets.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

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  • FoxyFoxy United Kingdom Join Date: 2014-08-19 Member: 198032Members, Forum Admins, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Forum staff Posts: 462 mod
    Pelargir wrote: »
    FoxyUK wrote: »
    @Hoeloe @Pelargir translators would be awesome! We can maybe do an article at a time? Get it fully up to date in English then tag it with a up to date/ready to translate template? I also highly suggest using templates to store as much data as possible and transcluding them into articles so when things do change, you can just change the template itself and not 5-6 articles. @d4rkAlf I'll ask Comprox, he is in touch with the person who has FTP access :)

    The thing is, in its current situation, it looks super confusing to know if we can translate this article, or this other.
    There's no way to figure out what can be changed and what cannot be. I'm always like: "Can I update this or will it also change the English version despite the fact I'm supposed to be in the French part?". There's also lots of things that I cannot modify because I don't find where they are such as the one mentioned below about the game being still in beta or something. I can't see any option to update that.

    Honestly, it'd be easier to remove the whole French translation, await the English one to get up to date and then, doing the job again. I don't even know who's been in charge of translating the Wiki in the past.

    I don't speak any French I could use, so whatever you think we need to do then go ahead. I suggest adding {{Delete|reason=Outdated}} to the top of every French page that needs deleting and I will remove them. Additionally, I'll make an infobox that we can add to articles that reads something along the lines of "This article is up to date as of build XXX"
  • FoxyFoxy United Kingdom Join Date: 2014-08-19 Member: 198032Members, Forum Admins, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Forum staff Posts: 462 mod
    Yojimbo wrote: »
    Never really understood the difference between wiki and wikia
    Wikia is a hosting service, It uses a version of MediaWiki (What Wikipedia and the NS2 wiki runs on). It's like InvisionFree for getting a free forum, nice, but unnecessary as we have an awesome forum (that rhymes!) right here :)

  • FoxyFoxy United Kingdom Join Date: 2014-08-19 Member: 198032Members, Forum Admins, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Forum staff Posts: 462 mod
    I've added the up-to-date infobox and you can see it in use here http://wiki.unknownworlds.com/ns2/Biomass
  • Cannon_FodderAUSCannon_FodderAUS Brisbane, AU Join Date: 2013-06-23 Member: 185664Members, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 876 Advanced user
    edited February 2015
    FoxyUK wrote: »
    I've added the up-to-date infobox and you can see it in use here http://wiki.unknownworlds.com/ns2/Biomass

    Foxy, can you get a pic of the tech tree for aliens (I put it in the to do list). There is an old pic for the alien commander that still had shadow step. I can't find the techtree in the ui folder.
    Author of a ePaper manual for NS2, now also a steam guide
    Co-wrote the Marine EXO Suit Protocol
  • FoxyFoxy United Kingdom Join Date: 2014-08-19 Member: 198032Members, Forum Admins, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, Forum staff Posts: 462 mod
    FoxyUK wrote: »
    I've added the up-to-date infobox and you can see it in use here http://wiki.unknownworlds.com/ns2/Biomass

    Foxy, can you get a pic of the tech tree for aliens (I put it in the to do list). There is an old pic for the alien commander that still had shadow step. I can't find the techtree in the ui folder.

    I have the one from the wiki, I'm just editing it to be up-to-date
  • HoeloeHoeloe Switzerland Join Date: 2014-03-02 Member: 194487Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 98 Fully active user
    FoxyUK wrote: »
    I've added the up-to-date infobox and you can see it in use here http://wiki.unknownworlds.com/ns2/Biomass

    Okay, this infobox is nice for the future, but right now we have no overview... ATM I'm not sure but what do you think about a Google Excel sheet with all articles (yeah I know...) on it and checkboxes where we can see who has allready updated what pages. We could also add the languages for the translators so we know whats done and whats pending.
    Pelargir wrote: »
    Honestly, it'd be easier to remove the whole French translation, await the English one to get up to date and then, doing the job again. I don't even know who's been in charge of translating the Wiki in the past.

    Same in german... Totally outdated, wrong translated and only ¼ of the actual english content translated... Aliens:de
  • PelargirPelargir Join Date: 2013-07-02 Member: 185857Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, WC 2013 - Silver, Forum staff Posts: 1,183 mod
    FoxyUK wrote: »
    Pelargir wrote: »
    FoxyUK wrote: »
    @Hoeloe @Pelargir translators would be awesome! We can maybe do an article at a time? Get it fully up to date in English then tag it with a up to date/ready to translate template? I also highly suggest using templates to store as much data as possible and transcluding them into articles so when things do change, you can just change the template itself and not 5-6 articles. @d4rkAlf I'll ask Comprox, he is in touch with the person who has FTP access :)

    The thing is, in its current situation, it looks super confusing to know if we can translate this article, or this other.
    There's no way to figure out what can be changed and what cannot be. I'm always like: "Can I update this or will it also change the English version despite the fact I'm supposed to be in the French part?". There's also lots of things that I cannot modify because I don't find where they are such as the one mentioned below about the game being still in beta or something. I can't see any option to update that.

    Honestly, it'd be easier to remove the whole French translation, await the English one to get up to date and then, doing the job again. I don't even know who's been in charge of translating the Wiki in the past.

    I don't speak any French I could use, so whatever you think we need to do then go ahead. I suggest adding {{Delete|reason=Outdated}} to the top of every French page that needs deleting and I will remove them. Additionally, I'll make an infobox that we can add to articles that reads something along the lines of "This article is up to date as of build XXX"

    I will try to do so when I get time.
    "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"

    "It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to."


  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow Posts: 1,580 Advanced user
    Captha or a NS2 quiz question should keep the bots out
    To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to play Natural Selection 2. The gameplay is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of military strategy and advanced mathematics you won't even win a single game. Theres also the game's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into the game. The maps and artwork draw heavily from Riddley Scott's Alien franchise, for instance. The players understand this stuff, they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of the game, to realise that it's not just great, that it also says something about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Natural Selection 2 truly ARE idiots. of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in the Marines' existential catchphrase "how do I get to be so good", which itself is a cryptic reference to the high degree of intelligence required to play the game as intended. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion when spectating a game. What fools... how I pity them. And, yes, by the way, i DO have a Fade tatoo. And no, you cannot see it. it's for the ladies' eyes only, and even then they have to demonstrate that they are within 50 hive skill points of my own (preferable lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid.
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