Linux Vs. W32

SkWyReLSkWyReL Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9360Members
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  • DrGigglesDrGiggles Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8833Members
    Ah, the question that will never be fully anwered...
  • MellonpoprMellonpopr Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2304Members
    who dares step into the ring ? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SkWyReLSkWyReL Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9360Members
    All I can say is i have used Windows forever. I cant stand the lack of simplicity. Ive used linux for all of a year now and although at first it seems confusing, Its amazingly straightforward.

    Hats off to Linux!!

    .:SkWyReL:.
  • jc_fooliojc_foolio Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8292Members
    wait a sec, i know skywrel and he's replying to his own post... and, he's only been using linux for about 2 days when he installed it on his 400 mhz imac... loser
  • MellonpoprMellonpopr Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2304Members
    rofl poser ! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • EpochEpoch Join Date: 2002-10-10 Member: 1474Members
    Windows does certain things well... Linux does certain things well. If I have to pick... Linux, of course. I haven't used BSD, Solaris, MAC OS, BeOS, or any of the others.
  • DrGigglesDrGiggles Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8833Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Epoch+Nov 22 2002, 09:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epoch @ Nov 22 2002, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Windows does certain things well... Linux does certain things well. If I have to pick... Linux, of course. I haven't used BSD, Solaris, MAC OS, BeOS, or any of the others.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I completely agree with ya! MacOS X is pretty cool, it's like BSD (which i haven't used much bust is supposed to have one of the best TCP/IP stacks available) with a really sweet X motif, blows gnome out of the water <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • cracker_jackmaccracker_jackmac Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6891Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    There is no way i'd give linux to a client. It is crap for workstations as of right now. But now that www.openoffice.org is going strong i might consider it. But till then, doze for the workstations, linux for the servers. Samba is a great tool <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • greydmiyugreydmiyu Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9234Members
    Glad I'm no client of yours. I've had Linux as my workstation for the past 5 years. Windows for Games, Linux for everything else.
  • Cha0sCha0s Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7104Members
    edited November 2002
    When it comes to server duty, 100+ days of uptime speaks for itself....Linux. Can't wait till they just make the workstation side a bit more user friendly for the mainstream crowd.
  • SkWyReLSkWyReL Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9360Members
    Haha,

    I would like you to meet jc_foolio!
    He is, somehow, a friend of mine.

    I have used Red Hat, Caldera, Mandrake, Yellow Dog (on my iMac, no joke, it hilarious), Suse, and OS X (which by the way, is one of the easiest to use versions of a Unix/Linux OS). Jeff, you can kiss my a**.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Windows for Games, Linux for everything else. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That is the one problem i have found with Linux, the compatability with consumer products (e.g. Half-Life, Office, etc) is lacking heavily. I forsee a distribution that is simple enough for Windows XP users, such as Jeff and much to my dismay, myself. That will be a happy day.

    .:SkWyReL:.
  • Poison-XPoison-X Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7590Members
    edited November 2002
    <!--QuoteBegin--Epoch+Nov 22 2002, 09:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epoch @ Nov 22 2002, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    I completely agree with ya!  MacOS X is pretty cool, it's like BSD (which i haven't used much bust is supposed to have one of the best TCP/IP stacks available) with a really sweet X motif, blows gnome out of the water <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    mac os x is "like" bsd because it has a freebsd kernel (modified and called darwin)
  • DrGigglesDrGiggles Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8833Members
    edited November 2002
    <!--QuoteBegin--Poison-X+Nov 23 2002, 12:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Poison-X @ Nov 23 2002, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->mac os x is "like" bsd because it has a freebsd kernel (modified and called darwin)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    yup, that's why I said it was like it
  • PJJPJJ Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9579Members
    Servers: Linux
    Desktops: Windows

    How it always shall be.
  • greydmiyugreydmiyu Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9234Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--SkWyReL+Nov 23 2002, 02:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkWyReL @ Nov 23 2002, 02:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Windows for Games, Linux for everything else. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That is the one problem i have found with Linux, the compatability with consumer products (e.g. Half-Life, Office, etc) is lacking heavily. I forsee a distribution that is simple enough for Windows XP users, such as Jeff and much to my dismay, myself. That will be a happy day.
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    Well, it isn't the OS' fault on that part. I don't think compatibility is the problem there. I mean look at UT, Q3A, UT2003 and soon Doom 3. They all run just fine on Linux. Obviously the server side of Half-Life runs fine on Linux and since Quake 1 has been ported countless times there is no reason, in my mind, why Half-Life's client side couldn't play on Linux as well with a little effort from Valve. I mean Half-Life does OpenGL and Linux has a full OpenGL implementation.

    The problem isn't compatibility. The problem is developers seeing Linux as something that isn't condusive to gaming when it is. I've seen it. I've played at LAN parties almost 2 years ago, where the number of Linux boxen rivaled those of Windows when it came to UT and Q3A. They certainly didn't run any slower or sound any worse than any other box there.

    The only difference between UT, UT2003, Q3A, Doom 3 and the games which don't run on Linux is that the developers made the decision to program with Linux in mind while the others discounted it from the onset.

    The sad part is that there are games based on the UT and Q3A engines which don't run on Linux. That makes absolutely no sense. MOHAA and two of the Star Trek games are prime examples. 2 of them use the Q3A engine and the other uses the UT engine. There is no excuse that those games do not run on Linus other than a decision by some suit in the company that produced them.

    As for things like Office even if I weren't a fan of Linux that I am I would never, <b>ever</b> lock myself into a proprietary format for documents ever again. I did that ages ago when my parents got a brand spanking new Tandy 1000HX. We got some word processor which was great at the time. I produced a lot of work in it. 5-6 years later I don't even remember the name of the word processor, the data is encoded in some funky format and I've lost years of stuff I'd like to have back. Microsoft is known to change their format to force people to upgrade. You'd think that current versions of Word, for example, would be able to perfectly read in previous versions. I mean they do have the format to go by, they made the blasted thing. Nope, there are always incompatibilities from previous versions to the current. There's no guarentee that 5-6 years from now documents which are important to me will still be in a readable format if I ever touch those products. At least with an open standard I have the assurance that in 5 years if nothing exists I might be able to write a quick and dirty convertor. Funny thing is, though, open standards tend to be far more backwards compatible than proprietary. A lot of the internet we use today rests on technology that was documented and standardized decades ago. Some of those standards still stand to this day.
  • LiquidFusionLiquidFusion Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3139Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--greydmiyu+Nov 23 2002, 06:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (greydmiyu @ Nov 23 2002, 06:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Windows for Games, Linux for everything else.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This is how it is for now, but that may change soon, if directx9 is going to support linux.
  • WinkieWinkie Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4034Members
    Ok, was there ever a bug where a linux ns server would take 900 meg or ram or something?

    Also, is it true that the NS server is less stable on linux than it is on win32?




    Rumours i've heard and I don't really want to start a 2nd thread because there's enough spam already <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • BelaborBelabor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2445Members
    edited November 2002
    <!--QuoteBegin--LiquidFusion+Nov 23 2002, 06:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LiquidFusion @ Nov 23 2002, 06:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...if directx9 is going to support linux.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What drug are you on?
  • LiquidFusionLiquidFusion Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3139Members
    I'm getting the link that shows how directx9 can be linux compatable.
  • greydmiyugreydmiyu Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9234Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Winkie+Nov 23 2002, 07:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Winkie @ Nov 23 2002, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ok, was there ever a bug where a linux ns server would take 900 meg or ram or something?

    Also, is it true that the NS server is less stable on linux than it is on win32?
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    Don't believe so. NS takes up a meager 71Mb here. Well, not meager, but comared to the RAM I do have in there it isn't anything to worry about. Also it has stayed up for over a week. I only drop the server when I am making modifications to configurations that need a restart.
  • dumbodumbo Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8373Members
    For the sake of completeness, the natural selection client runs under linux (via wine) 'quite well' (providing you remove the MP3s!).


    problems:
    - mic probably doesn't work [I don't have a mic, so I can't be bothered to test it].
    - frame rates can get pretty bad at times. [although without the MP3s it doesn't seem bad]
    - it locks up my soundcard sometimes (although I think this is due to me being lazy with my kernel... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> ).
    - welding/building is SLOWER. There was a bug report in the 'bug reports' section, and it is 100% correct. I build noticeably slower <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->.
    - sometimes the alien menus get stuck on the screen.
  • DarkSpawnDarkSpawn Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1834Members
    Linux for serious stuff, windows for playstuff, and users. If you dont understand what I mean by the word user, you are one. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • SmellslikefecesSmellslikefeces Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8194Members
    Alright here's my little experiment that I did. I took my server (P3 1Gz, 384MB Ram, two 8GB harddrives). One one hard drive is windows xp pro, and on the other hard drive is Linux 7.3. I ran both on two different days with the same load, 16 players. With the windows server I couldn't put the server to any higher on players without having 100% cpu utilization. With 16 it sits around 60-80%. On the Linux I could go as high as 20 and have a 100% cpu utilization. However with the Linux Server the pings were noticably higher (50-100ms) than the windows server. Oh I am running the hlds and am running v1.02 on both. On the Linux I'm running in text mode to save even more memory/cpu. So in my humble opinion, and based on my little experiment, I'm going to keep running the server under windows. I'm doing this simply because the pings are lower. I realize that handles 4 people less than Linux but I'm willing to make this compromise for network speed. We all hate lag. Anyways that's my rant. Oh and YMMV!
  • greydmiyugreydmiyu Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9234Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--dumbo+Nov 27 2002, 06:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dumbo @ Nov 27 2002, 06:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->- sometimes the alien menus get stuck on the screen.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This happens to me whenever the pings get really high on Windows so I don't believe it is an alien thing nor a Linux thing.
  • HtNickoliHtNickoli Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9786Members
    Might be off-topic for this thread.

    But has anyone heard if the NS team is going to address the optimization differances between the linux and windows servers that occured with the 1.02 patch? Pherhaps next patch? As the 1.03 patch was all bug fixxes.
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