Me vs nxzl!
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Join Date: 2012-09-04 Member: 157674Members
Join Date: 2012-09-04 Member: 157674Members
<div class="IPBDescription">A thought of many.</div>Just had a conversation with nxzl.locklear and “he†just enlightened me with a few things.
One, they like to win games since they have been recruiting some high kill to death ratios.
Two, and he agreed they like to clan stack, it’s only normal. But when those one or two or three players decimate the other team, it will kill the server “I have seen it.â€
Three, I love to cook and what I hate is no negative feedback. I want to know what I am doing wrong and how I can do it better. nxzl.locklear says I give no feedback, well there’s a reason for that (got banned for that). Right now and some 20 or so patches ago I see the killers getting more kills and the runner ups not.
Four, and I think every person that plays this game and will play this game, please get rid of the invisible walls!
One, they like to win games since they have been recruiting some high kill to death ratios.
Two, and he agreed they like to clan stack, it’s only normal. But when those one or two or three players decimate the other team, it will kill the server “I have seen it.â€
Three, I love to cook and what I hate is no negative feedback. I want to know what I am doing wrong and how I can do it better. nxzl.locklear says I give no feedback, well there’s a reason for that (got banned for that). Right now and some 20 or so patches ago I see the killers getting more kills and the runner ups not.
Four, and I think every person that plays this game and will play this game, please get rid of the invisible walls!
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Nxzl's goal is to be the best team in NS2.
When you stack a round, you kill a server.
When you kill a server, you kill the game.
Do what you want, but understand the consequences of your actions.
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Wow, elitism much?
Especially considering that most "competitive NS2 players" are just a random selection of people willing to play in an organized setting with no real average skill ceiling.
But have fun limiting your gameplay experience to simple 6v6, other people like a bigger scale for their games so those end up less predictable :P
I rarely play public games anymore, mostly private 6v6. I don't really understand what this thread is.
What happened to just wanting to play some vidya games???
I just want to shoot aliens and bite things.... Some people take it waaaay too seriously.
Here are the situations where you can choose which team you join:
1. You are a complete and utter noob and really need practice playing the team you want to join.
2. The random portal is broken.
Otherwise you better be going random. Too many people stack teams in this game, especially the so called competitive players. Strangely enough, the competitive players are also usually the first to rage quit, especially... well lets just say this thread name is apt.
Here are the situations where you can choose which team you join:
1. You are a complete and utter noob and really need practice playing the team you want to join.
2. The random portal is broken.
Otherwise you better be going random. Too many people stack teams in this game, especially the so called competitive players. Strangely enough, the competitive players are also usually the first to rage quit, especially... well lets just say this thread name is apt.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
+1
voteallrandom
not.
20min later: "###### stackers!!"
But hey, it's software, what does it know about anything :P
The problem is that all the negative effects of NS1 players has come with them. NS1 is now pretty much highly individualized fun. After 10 years, many of the remaining players have bought into the elitist attitude, and as such, will gladly empty a server showing off skills, than switch or even teams actively.
Take into consideration this. The game isn't even released yet, it's a beta for the faithful to play and contribute, yet we already have the "competitive vs. the pubbers" arguments. Also, I play at least two to three games a day with griefing commanders, stacking teams (mostly marines), and regularly offensive ingame names and/or attitudes.
Greifing is prevalent in the beta... yeah.
Unless, as a community, or within server communities individually, this is actively addressed, new players after release will be forced to join these camps. Those who are open to fun gameplay and enjoy NS2 as a community game, whether competitively or in public play, or join the elitist ranks and continue the idiocy therein.
I've played against nxzl players, some even yesterday, and I didn't see stacking in the time I played. In fact, there were clan members on either side. They did go into a mumble server and disregard any attempts to help the alien team they were on until we were almost end game, then teamplay brought us back to a win. But we could have ended it earlier.
I guess all I would ask is that if you play pub play, for practice, or for fun, don't do it at the expense of others. And even if we are all nubs who don't know what we are doing, that you are better than us because you play a game with more skill than we do, or whatever form of supremacy you make from your abilities in a virtual world, let's try to play a game we can all enjoy.
I don't mind losing with ignorant teammates that are trying to learn, and I don't mind having a few skilled teammates carrying others. I do mind rambos not listening to comm, in game griefing in order to prolong games so you can "enjoy" the mockery, et. al.
I have had good games with nxzl, I think this post is flamebait. However, there's a real underpinning that's already showing up in NS2. I left NS due to most of those annoying players, and even though there's a new server trying to actively rid themselves of those types, and I applaud them, NS2 is being slowly infected as well.
I do see the best players often joining the same teams. You know before the round begins which team will win. Sometimes everyone just leaves the server because they're sick of predictable rounds.
That's not intentional griefing IMO. People don't wanna start a round knowing their team will lose so they join the one with the best players.
It's made worse by the fact NS2 is not fun to lose, most of the time. On the losing team you have less choices, basic weapons, slower movement, you die faster and more often, more time waiting to respawn etc. That's just how the game is designed, the RTS element in it. It does make the game different from other shooters where the game plays similarly no matter if you're on the winning team or not.
Then again, I understand that clans want to play together since they're friends or want to practice - duh?
It's a problem with all online games, not just NS2 - and it kills servers in other games too. The answer really is voterandom (or play on a server which forces random teams constantly) and just pray that the clans aren't all together randomly :-) .
What server is that?
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Haha, but you were in HBZ with us yesterday and voterandom was fine. I didn't hear anyone complaining at the time...
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I'm beginning to think people don't understand how random works.
There are too many options for players to effect the game by not being part of it basically.
Ns2 should use steamnames.
Sometimes it gives good teams but sometimes...well the game is over after 2min regardless what the oposing team does.
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This is true, unfortunately. Agreed.
HBZ is one of the best EU servers BTW. Great place.
As well, I'm not sure other teams do this, but often if a bunch of Nexzil players are on the same team in a public game, we generally handicap ourselves. I know Omegaweapon likes to impose a "pistol only" rule. And when playing aliens I personally will try to run a circle around a marine before I start biting them.
The other side of this, which is sometimes just as annoying as it is amusing, is that we'll get accused of stacking when we're the only Nexzil player in the server. Or even if there's only two of us.
12 v 12, 2 players =/= stacked teams.
Donno what else to say other than we don't sit in mumble and conspire about how we want to go pub stomp.
:-/
12 v 12, 2 players =/= stacked teams.
Donno what else to say other than we don't sit in mumble and conspire about how we want to go pub stomp.
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When you have 2 players who are both 25-5 on a server with average players and they are essentially dominating everyone, then I can see how it can be percieved as stacking even though it is only two guys. I don't mind two very good players on one team as long as the opposing team also have some good players and isn't full of average and bad players.
Also if I see that there are a number of comp players on a server I will wait to join a team to see if they are going to stack one of the teams. If they do stack one team then I will find another server. It is just no fun when you know the results beforehand; if I join the stacked team I will be on the winning team and if I join the opposing team then my team will be dominated. I just don't understand why anyone would find that fun.
<!--quoteo(post=1988783:date=Oct 9 2012, 04:40 PM:name=tk-421)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tk-421 @ Oct 9 2012, 04:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1988783"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This is true, unfortunately. Agreed.
HBZ is one of the best EU servers BTW. Great place.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thank you