AsranielJoin Date: 2002-06-03Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
no, 20 FPS isn't really truly playable. Well, you can play as a commander just fine, or as a gorge, but for anything else you will have trouble.
What i wanted to say with my 20 FPS is that its quite much. That computer cannot play left4dead2 with much more fps either, so ns2 works actually quite ok.
Not saying that more performance isn't needed. it is. My gaming computer can go up to 50-60 fps during gameplay, but can trop down to 30 or less at some situations. But overall performance is quite good for a beta.
IeptBarakatThe most difficult name to speak ingame.Join Date: 2009-07-10Member: 68107Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1846555:date=May 16 2011, 03:41 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thaldarin @ May 16 2011, 03:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1846555"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Go set all your games to run at 15 fps, in half-life/source you'll find this the max_fps command. I hope you have lots of fun.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1846555:date=May 16 2011, 03:41 PM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thaldarin @ May 16 2011, 03:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1846555"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Go set all your games to run at 15 fps, in half-life/source you'll find this the max_fps command. I hope you have lots of fun.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think if you re-read this sentence you'll see that you've reenforced my earlier point.
<!--quoteo(post=1846566:date=May 16 2011, 08:46 PM:name=Cerebral)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cerebral @ May 16 2011, 08:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1846566"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think if you re-read this sentence you'll see that you've reenforced my earlier point.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The text was a reply to a quote from IeptBarakat, not from yourself.
I think GPU matters quite a lot. I'm running the game way better in 1080p on my 2.5GHz Dual Core desktop than 720p on my 2.26Ghz i5 laptop (Ati 4890 vs 5650) and I doubt the 250Mhz make that much of a difference.
<!--quoteo(post=1846577:date=May 16 2011, 10:17 PM:name=NurEinMensch)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NurEinMensch @ May 16 2011, 10:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1846577"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Way back in the days I played many games at 20fps and less. And had fun. Unpossible!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Back in the days of Doom. Sure. Now a days you expect a much better experience. It's all about the experience.
Can we stop the 20fps discussion now plz? Everybody got his own opinion, and you cant force them to agree yours. I got about 40fps with drops below 20(if lots of structures[lategame], lots of lerk gas etc),this makes me rage(a lot) sometimes - but all in all im happy - especially after the last patch, i felt improvements are kicking in - for my specs and feeling smooth gameplay is close on good servers.
(Also on bigger maps like the community made ns2_ summit_b1 all its details - felt like playing rockdown performance wise)
<!--quoteo(post=1846577:date=May 16 2011, 11:17 PM:name=NurEinMensch)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NurEinMensch @ May 16 2011, 11:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1846577"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Way back in the days I played many games at 20fps and less. And had fun. Unpossible!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Can't really compare games directly in terms of FPS. 60 FPS in HL1 doesn't look spiffing, but in Doom 3 it does. NS2 in that FPS-scale is pretty far down, where even a 100 FPS does not give you that silky smooth gameplay, let alone 20-30 FPS.
Vladimir Van VodkaSexy BeastJoin Date: 2010-07-30Member: 73364Members, Reinforced - Shadow
I used to play my source games on an overclocked windows 2000 back in 2010... 5-15 ping wasn't bad, if your used to it. And I raged afterwards when I could not get NS2 to play for me, so I set it aside for most of the alpha gameplay while I was getting a new pc. I'm glad I can now play NS2 on this new super-computer. and yes, 20 fps is definitely better then 5, and is enjoyable.
<!--quoteo(post=1846591:date=May 16 2011, 10:52 PM:name=Vladimir Van Vodka)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vladimir Van Vodka @ May 16 2011, 10:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1846591"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm glad I can now play NS2 on this new super-computer. and yes, 20 fps is definitely better then 5, and is enjoyable.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You have a 'super computer' and are happy with 20fps in your games? Okay. I'll take the bait, what the crap is wrong with you?
I'm still confused about peoples really bad performance. Are you running the thing at max setting at some ridiculous high resolution? I have four year old computer with a intel duo core 2 3 gig, overclocked to 3.6, 4 gig of ddr2 ram, and a ATI radeon HD 4800 with only 512 of ram, and I get up to 50 fps and on average around 30. Now my resolution is limited to only 1280 by 1024 because of my old monitor.
The thing is, that isn't a bad computer to play NS2. The raw CPU-cycles you have is quite high compared to what's out today, and seeing as NS2 is pretty much 1.5-threaded, having a quad-core does diddly-squat to your FPS. The CPU is also the primary bottleneck, so concerning GPUs, you can easily get away with something from the previous generation (or even 2 generations) as long as you don't push the resolution too much (or NS2 will gobble ridiculous amounts of VRAM for some reason). 2GBs of freely allocatable RAM should be enough for NS2 (can't remember last time I checked it in the task-manager, but it's 32-bit, so it'll never use more than ~ 3.5 GBs).
I wonder if a nvidia forceware guru can tweak with some of the nvidia settings like they do on the Guru3d web page and release an unofficial version for NS2? You know just saying :P
Vladimir Van VodkaSexy BeastJoin Date: 2010-07-30Member: 73364Members, Reinforced - Shadow
edited May 2011
<!--quoteo(post=1846598:date=May 17 2011, 03:39 AM:name=Thaldarin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thaldarin @ May 17 2011, 03:39 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1846598"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You have a 'super computer' and are happy with 20fps in your games? Okay. I'll take the bait, what the crap is wrong with you?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was referring to the comment of the person playing with 20 fps, and saying it's definitely playable compared to what i used to play with, which is 5 fps.
I now have a solid 280 without v synch with v synch I have a solid 59-60 max graphics on ns2
yes, its a ###### supercomputer, or at least it is compared to my old windows 2000
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What i wanted to say with my 20 FPS is that its quite much. That computer cannot play left4dead2 with much more fps either, so ns2 works actually quite ok.
Not saying that more performance isn't needed. it is. My gaming computer can go up to 50-60 fps during gameplay, but can trop down to 30 or less at some situations. But overall performance is quite good for a beta.
It's just like when I try to livestream it. :V
I think if you re-read this sentence you'll see that you've reenforced my earlier point.
The text was a reply to a quote from IeptBarakat, not from yourself.
Back in the days of Doom. Sure. Now a days you expect a much better experience. It's all about the experience.
(Also on bigger maps like the community made ns2_ summit_b1 all its details - felt like playing rockdown performance wise)
Can't really compare games directly in terms of FPS. 60 FPS in HL1 doesn't look spiffing, but in Doom 3 it does. NS2 in that FPS-scale is pretty far down, where even a 100 FPS does not give you that silky smooth gameplay, let alone 20-30 FPS.
5-15 ping wasn't bad, if your used to it.
And I raged afterwards when I could not get NS2 to play for me, so I set it aside for most of the alpha gameplay while I was getting a new pc.
I'm glad I can now play NS2 on this new super-computer.
and yes, 20 fps is definitely better then 5, and is enjoyable.
and yes, 20 fps is definitely better then 5, and is enjoyable.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You have a 'super computer' and are happy with 20fps in your games? Okay. I'll take the bait, what the crap is wrong with you?
You know just saying :P
Yes, yes it is.
That is all.
I was referring to the comment of the person playing with 20 fps, and saying it's definitely playable compared to what i used to play with, which is 5 fps.
I now have a solid 280 without v synch
with v synch I have a solid 59-60
max graphics on ns2
yes, its a ###### supercomputer, or at least it is compared to my old windows 2000