Bands with staying power.

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edited December 2007 in Off-Topic
A la The Beatles or Zepplin.
So, I was sort of thinking about music and some of the things I listen to. I then realized that I listen to a lot of older bands and artists like Elvis, The Beatles, Johny Cash, Queen, CCR, Led Zepplin, U2, Metallica. Things like that I listen to quite frequently. But I got to thinking, what bands today have that kind of staying power? I'm 20 years old, all of those bands were at the height of their careers before I was born (save Metallica, The Black Album was released when I was 4).

What music from today will people still be listening to in 20 years? 30 years? 40? 50?
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  • Awesome_LocksAwesome_Locks Members Join Date: 2007-10-22 Member: 62705Posts: 54
    Good question... Linkin Park...anyone? tounge.gif
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Posts: 10,571 Advanced user
    Tool?
    NiN?

    There are not many, but there are still some.
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  • Crono5Crono5 Members Join Date: 2003-07-22 Member: 18357Posts: 1,855
    System of a Down is the only current band I can think of that I thought had any amount of staying power at all (I primarily listen to older music). I mean, they're not the greatest, but they're all I can think of right now.
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    Well, I'd imagine every band has "staying power" now that we can trade music on the internet. Somebody somewhere will always have the random artist stored on their hard-drive that nobody else has ever heard of, and if the files are still there 20 years later who is to say they don't have "staying power"?
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  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Posts: 4,708 Advanced user
    Maybe, but I gave examples of legendary bands and preformers. Who's names are iconic and easily recognisable.

    I was thinking along those lines.
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    Take care not to turn this into a "list your favourite bands" thread, fellas.
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  • DepotDepot The ModFather Members Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7956Posts: 6,411 Fully active user
    QUOTE(lolfighter @ Dec 2 2007, 04:59 PM) »
    Take care not to turn this into a "list your favourite bands" thread, fellas.

    To late, looks like it already has.

    To put any modern day band in the same staying power category as the ones boosey first mentioned would be, simply put, an insult to those bands.
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  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Posts: 4,708 Advanced user
    Oh yea, and add why you think the band has the potential to stay.

    Look at the ones I mentioned in my first post. They are all still listened to because they changed music in some way or another.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Posts: 7,216 Advanced user
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    QUOTE(Depot @ Dec 2 2007, 02:11 PM) »
    To late, looks like it already has.

    To put any modern day band in the same staying power category as the ones boosey first mentioned would be, simply put, an insult to those bands.


    Edit: Edited nearly the entire post.

    Right, because kids these days are such musical ###### ups, right Depot? I don't mean to go completely flamebait on this ######, but I'm a little sick and tired of your high-and-mighty attitude about your generation.

    The two bands Thansal mentioned are -by definition- the exact kinds of things we can look at as 'Legendary'. A NIN(Nine Inch Nails) cover was Johnny Cash's last song. His style has gone from being a massive brick wall of electronics and melody that would cause your head to bob and form a headache to a melody powerhouse that can easily claim the kind of 'Forever-Remembered' style that we know. The Downward Spiral is a legendary album in every way, and I think the hook to it will stay recognizable in music for decades to come.

    The legendary prog bands of yore have all said that Tool is a band that is most certainly continuing their style and moving the process forward, contributing new musical styles and ideas that have not only reshaped the musical scene of their day, but in fact music coming forward- the differences between Piano and Forte seemed forgotten before Tool came back, then all of a sudden the playoff of quiet and loud became a new way of interjecting more flavor into the music. I think their influence will be felt for decades to come, as well.

    I'd also say that The Mars Volta has an opportunity to join the ranks of the new Legends if they can keep together for the next 5 or 6 years, as the current and old prog rock scenes seem to be embracing them quite heartily. But that I think could also be potentially seen as me just injecting my favorite band into this.

    Outside that, the bands I'd say that certainly have the potential of being Legendary would be Radiohead(even though I can't stand 'em XD), as their work on fusing the older jam-rock style with electronica is nearly guaranteed to put them in the category, along with them personally evolving the music industry through it's new monetary scheme.

    Perhaps eventually Queens of the Stone Age for their work in the overall rock area, where they are moving to truly evolve the medium into more complex rhythms and melodies, as well as trying to move it back into it's "Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n Roll" direction of constantly-wilder.
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    Sorry Q, as good as NIN and Tool are and as much as I enjoy their music they just don't belong in the same category as Elvis, The Beatles, Johny Cash, Queen, CCR, Lead Zepplin, U2, or Metallica regarding staying power.

    Let's check back in 25, 30, or even 40 years from now and see if I'm right.
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    NiN is pretty much already there. besides, it's already like 20 years old

    What about bands who released their first album after 2000?

    And Thaly, why Oasis?
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Members Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Posts: 10,499
    I've never even heard of Oasis. I don't think a band can have staying power when it hasn't even gotten to where it's supposed to stay.
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  • CabooseCaboose title = name(self, handle) Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13597Posts: 4,708 Advanced user
    I beleave it's a Brit band. Not much success outside the UK.
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    Well by definition "staying power" means it stayed for quite some time - and it's hard to say today which bands will still be listened to in a few years.

    And Metallica is old? It's early 80's to current day... Any band that's still around doesn't really qualify as old, does it?

    I would say RHCP and The Offspring could be considered relatively recent (compared with Elvis and the Beatles at least).

    As for me, I think I'll still be listening to the likes of Dream Theater in a few decades.
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    QUOTE(Cereal_KillR @ Dec 2 2007, 07:46 PM) »
    Well by definition "staying power" means it stayed for quite some time - and it's hard to say today which bands will still be listened to in a few years.

    And Metallica is old? It's early 80's to current day... Any band that's still around doesn't really qualify as old, does it?

    I would say RHCP and The Offspring could be considered relatively recent (compared with Elvis and the Beatles at least).

    As for me, I think I'll still be listening to the likes of Dream Theater in a few decades.


    I agree about The Offspring, they are still pretty popular and it's been quite a while since they first started.

    I'd say Slipknot will also still have a following and be listened to a long time from now, if for no other reason then they are pretty widely known.
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    QUOTE(Caboose @ Dec 2 2007, 01:29 PM) »
    What music from today will people still be listening to in 20 years? 30 years? 40? 50?

    I think you named the most obvious ones. Maybe Pink Floyd could also count as such a band? I'm no big fan of them but they do seem to have had a big influence as I see many musicians being inspired by their music.

    I think this all has to do with genres. Sure, artists like Elvis, the Beatles or Queen left their mark in everyone's mind thanks to their "accessible" yet revolutionary music. Now, if you look at more specific categories (let's say metal since Metallica was mentioned), I could mention Iron Maiden, Dream Theater or even Black Sabbath or Pantera. They all have contributed a good deal to their genres and they will, in my opinion (as well as the one of many others), still be listened to in the next decades. Yet Average Joe might only have heard their names once in a conversation, so does that make them legends too? Same thing goes for awesome musicians like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Victor Wooten and the likes; I guess most of you never heard of them, yet they have already left their mark in the world of guitar/bass playing and are relatively young. And I could go on and on...

    So yeah, what kind of legends are you guys looking for? tounge.gif

    Oh, and if saying that a recent band has as much staying power as The Beetles is an insult to them, then I think saying that any band/artist of the 20th/21st century has staying power is an outrageous insult to Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky and all the other great composers. We're talking about centuries of staying power here, so yeah, if we don't give the same chance to every artist, this thread isn't going to go far tounge.gif
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    QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Dec 2 2007, 11:09 PM) »
    I've never even heard of Oasis. I don't think a band can have staying power when it hasn't even gotten to where it's supposed to stay.


    Recently acquired their new drummer as Zak Starkey, son of Ringo Starr.

    Oasis just came to my mind because they're never really out of the British press. Whether it's drugs, court cases, fights or a new tour they've pretty much been there. Since I was able to read a paper it's unusual to go a year without seeing them in the paper atleast once a month, or atleast Noel and Liam getting a mention.

    EDIT: They're planning to start on America next year but they're pretty much mother-country boys and tend to stay in the UK.
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    what a dangerous topic - no wonder it's going to bad places fast =p

    I would have to agree that NIN probably belongs in this category even though I personally dislike them. They seem to be quite iconic, and they do what they do very well, which is pretty much all you need for 'staying power'.

    on the other hand, bands in the OP are bands that pretty much defined rock and roll, which is a reason why they're so iconic. maybe there's no more room for rock bands in this category. maybe we should be looking at bands that define other, newer genres like electronica. on the other hand (again), no real solid genre has entered the mainstream since rock took the stage, and the only albums on the billboard charts anymore are Hannah Montana and the High School Musical soundtrack.

    then of course there's factoids like how the Wallflowers, headed by Bob Dylan's son Jakob, had one of their albums sell twice as many copies as Bob Dylan's Blood on the Tracks album did in twenty years. And yet no one will really remember the Wallflowers and Dylan is considered a legend.

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    QUOTE(Wexx @ Dec 2 2007, 06:31 PM) »
    Good question... Linkin Park...anyone? tounge.gif


    As saracastic, funny and stupid as that sounds. I think there is a good chance of that.

    While we're at it what about G4, Spice Girls, All Saints and Radiohead? tounge.gif

    Although more seriously Nirvana, Guns 'N' Roses and Red Hot Chilli Peppers?
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    As to Nirvana...you can't have "Staying Power" if you aren't around anymore.

    And Radiohead I think could be in the category pretty easily. Several legendary albums in a row, I'd say the positition is secured if they can keep it up for years to come.
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    Eminem? He seems to be the kind of guy who will keep popping up until he dies. He's probably the most well known rapper who has been consistently famous since he came out, in terms of "everyone knows him" (I know there are more famous/legendary rappers for people who are into rap, but even my grandparents know who eminem is and can name some of his songs).

    I'd also say the Stereophonics (or at least, just Kelly Jones on his own). They are my favourite band, so I'm likely to say that, but they've been going since 1992 (15 years is fairly long for any band, although their first real album was released in 1997). They've never been super famous, even in the UK, but they've just sort of always been around. I can't really see them just giving up. They have a strong fan base that has stayed with them through a fairly radical change in style, too.
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    QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Dec 3 2007, 02:26 AM) »
    As to Nirvana...you can't have "Staying Power" if you aren't around anymore.
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    Wrong. Again.

    Examples of bands with staying power that "aren't around anymore":
    1. The Doors (Jim Morrison)
    2. The Beatles (John Lennon)
    3. Jimi Hendrix Experience (Jimi Hendrix)
    4. etc. etc. etc....
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    QUOTE(Depot @ Dec 3 2007, 02:35 AM) »
    Wrong. Again.

    Examples of bands with staying power that "aren't around anymore":
    1. The Doors (Jim Morrison)
    2. The Beatles (John Lennon)
    3. Jimi Hendrix Experience (Jimi Hendrix)
    4. etc. etc. etc....


    True, but I must say, both The Doors and The Beatles were around for quite awhile- Jimi Hendrix though is certainly a valid point.

    Then again, I ######ing hate Nirvana. XD
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  • HellbillyHellbilly A whole title out of pity... Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3931Posts: 926
    edited December 2007
    When i think my generation and more recent, a few names come to mind, like Nine Inch Nails, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Beastie Boys, Foo Fighters, Jamiroquai, Prodigy, Aphex Twin, Chemical Brothers, Slayer, Rob Zombie, Pantera.

    But really, anyone can come up with big names in their genre and some other guy comes up and says "i've never heard of them" and the first guy goes "WHAT? How have you not heard of Squarepusher he's like wtf awesome and famous". But he's not.

    The difference i see now, from "then" is that back then, somehow people made those bands superstars of the world, and they only made a few names like that. But today i see so many different genres with so many "local heroes" instead of one superstar band everyone listens to.

    The way i see it, times have changed and music is just so accessible now that artists come and go much faster then before. When i was young, and mind you, i'm not even 30 yet, all i had to listen to was one 7" album with Kiss and a couple of Whitesnake cassettes and thats all i listened to, apart from my dads Beatles and BeeGees vinyl albums.

    Back when bands were superstars, they probably were because access to music was limited so everyone listened to the same bands.

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    QUOTE(Depot @ Dec 3 2007, 11:35 AM) »
    Wrong. Again.

    Examples of bands with staying power that "aren't around anymore":
    1. The Doors (Jim Morrison)
    2. The Beatles (John Lennon)
    3. Jimi Hendrix Experience (Jimi Hendrix)
    4. etc. etc. etc....

    I must agree. In fact, this morning I was about to make the OPPOSITE case: That it doesn't make much sense to talk about staying power as long as the band is still around. The way I see it, a band that has staying power is one that is still listened to long after it's "dead."
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Posts: 10,571 Advanced user
    I have to much to say.


    Nirvana defined a generation. They are still played, and most people are familiar with at least a few of their songs.

    Elvis defined a generation. He is still played, and most people are familiar with at least a few of his songs (and every one knows his name).

    The interesting thing is that I would say Elvis is starting to die off. I only REALLY know Elvis for one reason:
    My parents (specifically my mum, my dad is more of a CCR type guy) grew up listening to him. However, how many new parents grew up listening to Elvis now? Almost none. Sure, all the kids will still know the name Elvis, but if you ask them what he was all about they might be able to name one or 2 songs, though I bet most will just give the lip movement and grunt a few times (not even knowing the power of the hip thrust).

    This generation of parents grew up wearing flannel and torn jeans, and listened to a depressed guy mumble over his problems. And then they found out that he blew his brains out with a shotgun. This effected us. Nirvana is seen as one of the key bands for influencing rock for our generation. Sure, the Grunge movement nearly started and ended with Cobain, but it still was a big thing.

    So, I would say that Nirvana is in there.


    I am not going to make cases for the rest that have been mentioned and I really agree with (RHCP, NIN, Prodigy, Tool, etc etc).


    However I will comment on Oasis.

    Wonderwall. Champagne Supernova.
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    QUOTE(Hellbilly @ Dec 3 2007, 08:25 AM) »
    When i think my generation and more recent, a few names come to mind, like Nine Inch Nails, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Beastie Boys, Foo Fighters, Jamiroquai, Prodigy, Aphex Twin, Chemical Brothers, Slayer, Rob Zombie, Pantera.

    that is a pretty comprehensive list and I would tend to agree with most/all of them. I wish the Chemical Brothers were better known though, and Aphex Twin for that matter =p
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