Minbari Cruiser Vs Enterprise D

V_MANV_MAN V-MAN Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6217Posts: 1,555Members, Constellation
Who would win?
Minbari Cruiser

USS Enterprise D


I would say prolly the Enterprise cos In the Babylon 5 film "In the Beginning" a Minbari Cruiser got wasted by a couple of nukes; also they don't have shields.
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  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Posts: 4,943Members
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    I don't know what a minbari is, so I'd go with the Enterprise too.


    How about a Lucifer vs a Ravana? It seems the Lucifer is superior with its shield, but why would they make Ravanas instead of other Lucifers in Freespace 2?

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  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Posts: 4,153Members
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    I dont know....

    If anyone has seen "B5: In the Beginning"

    I think the huge green lasers of death would just cut right through the enterprises shields,drain them to 0 and just cut the entire ship in 2 before the Enterprise could inflict enough damage onto the minbari crusier.


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    if you ve seen the movie or watched B5 the show you will know of the ending battles where the Earth militaries managed to lure one of the cruisers into a trap and blast it with nukes hidden in asteroids. That was basicly the ONLY military victory over a minbare cruiser.

    All other ship to ship battles ended in complete and utter pwnage of the Earth Alliance fleets.

    The Eath force fleets lose EVERY time.
    At the very end of the movie, when the final Minbari invasion fleet stomps past the last defense posts arund the Mars sectors and jump right into Earth sector AND THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF THEM.

    In fact its a really cool scene. The Earth President and govt knowing they were going to get pwned were sending out pleas for a human surrender which were unanswered. The Earth Alliance president then made a final TV broadcaste asking every availible military and civilian ship capable of making a last stand to hold a defensive orbit around the Earth so evac colony ships can leave. Its expected that none of them will survive.

    Thousands of earth ships everything from the remaining armed forces destroyers, and star fighters to civilian garbage haulers, passenger ships and tankers come to join thelast fight.

    When the Minbari ships come... utter human death occures. The minbari would have won in every aspect. The only reasons they stop the invasion in the movie is b/cthey relise that the humans are there long lost desendants or something.

    Sad... I wanted to see humanity get blown away forgood for once in a movie.
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  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Posts: 2,452Members
    ...sad to say, but the Minbari cruiser would play a little game of slice & dice.

    the Enterprise has fought the Borg twice, maybe thrice, each time getting it's arse kicked.

    The average Minbari cruiser packs enough heat to take out a couple of the larger Shadow ships and still have enough energy to Jump-Gate.

    So the battle would start off like this:
    Enterprise hails Minbari ship, tries to establish communication. Minbari ship ignores said communication and opens their weapon ports. Enterprise puts shields up. Minbari ship fires from all gun ports and launches fighters. NCC-1701D shields go to 50%. Enterprise returns fire. Minbari fighter suicides into a torpedo, saving the big ship. Cruiser returns fire to Enterprise. Shields go to 0%. Enterprise dies.

    Now here's a question:

    Would a White Star be able to take on the USS Defiant?
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  • V_MANV_MAN V-MAN Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6217Posts: 1,555Members, Constellation
    Yeah but if a couple of badly placed nukes wasted the Minbari Cruiser a volly of photon torpedos would prolly do the same cos their supposed to be of a higher yeild than nukes, assuming the torps don't get intercepted by fighters or the cruisers interceptor array which is designed to shoot down incoming missiles etc.

    By the way the Minbari cruiser was not capable of taking down a couple of the larger Shadow ships by itself the large Shadow ships pwn all 1 vs 1 except for the Vorlons. The only advantage the Minbari could use was telepaths but the Shadows got telepaths to use as their ships CPUs to counter that.
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  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Posts: 4,646Members
    Minbari pwns Enterprise, plain and simple. The Enterprise simply does not have the capacity to fire on the main cruiser and the fighters at once, and Minbari ships would also be a lot more manueverable then the clunky enterprise.
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  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Posts: 2,452Members
    Did you watch the Shadow wars?

    Minbari cruisers and the White Stars were inflicting the most damage, along with the "First One" ships.

    Ok, so let's set the scene. The Enterprise is on patrol, and they see a single Minbari fighter. They hail, and then fire upon it.

    A precise Jump-Gate then opens and splits the Enterprise in half. Enterprise = dead.
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  • AldarisAldaris Join Date: 2002-03-25 Member: 351Posts: 970Members, Constellation
    Actually what would happen would be Minbari cruiser approaches would gun ports open. Enterprise would raise shields. Enterprise would hail, and they'd make a peace treaty and spread peace and love throughout the galaxy (The Minbari wouldn't open fire immediatly on an unknown enermy, and neither would the Enterprise)

    The Defiant vs White Star would be funny actually. They'd circle each other endlessly trying to get the other in front view, until the White Star reverses thrust, flips over, and opens fire with its main gun, the secondary wing guns, and the tertiary hull guns. Either the Defiant would be blown to pieces, or carry on flying forwards and they'd crash.
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  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Posts: 649Members
    Well tbh voyager+armour+transphasic torpedos=all

    Bear in mind these things could destroy a borg cube in 1 hit.

    As for Minbari Cruiser v Enterprise D they would most likely just make peace tounge.gif with jean luv at the helm, he didnt even put his shileds up v the scimitar.
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    QUOTE (Cpl.Davis @ Mar 14 2004, 04:20 PM)
    blablabla about Earth getting pwned

    All because of a misunderstanding. GG Earth.

    Anyway, the Minbari War Cruiser would pwn the Enterprise without breaking a sweat.
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    QUOTE (Smoke Nova @ Mar 14 2004, 05:02 PM)
    Did you watch the Shadow wars?

    Minbari cruisers and the White Stars were inflicting the most damage, along with the "First One" ships.

    Ok, so let's set the scene. The Enterprise is on patrol, and they see a single Minbari fighter. They hail, and then fire upon it.

    A precise Jump-Gate then opens and splits the Enterprise in half. Enterprise = dead.

    Yes I did watch the shadow wars, they may have been inflicting most of the damage but it was always in greater numbers. The alliance fleet that took on the Shadows at the end of season 3 seriously out numbered them but still lost 3 ships for every 1 Shadow vessel that was destroyed. There was one sequence in that battle where a large Shadow vessel just sliced n diced one of the Minbari cruisers like a hot knife through butter which gos to show the superiority of the Shadow ships.

    It nearly always took combined fire from multiple ships, large explosion or something silly like a gravity well to kill a large Shadow ship. The only exceptions were the Vorlons who were on a similar level of tech to the Shadows and that time the White Star had Leta Alexander on board and Cpt Sheridan got her to jam it's CPU so they could kill it even then they had to route all the ships power to the weapons and it left the White Star drained.
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  • V_MANV_MAN V-MAN Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6217Posts: 1,555Members, Constellation
    Thing is tho while the Minbar Cruiser is blasting away at the Enterprise draining it's shields etc etc would the Enterprises torpedos and phasers be doing any damage?

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    QUOTE (V-MAN @ Mar 14 2004, 12:33 PM)
    Thing is tho while the Minbar Cruiser is blasting away at the Enterprise draining it's shields etc etc would the Enterprises torpedos and phasers be doing any damage?

    yes it would take damage however its the minbari war cuisers are designed to take large hits.
    It woudld damage but its weapons would deal out death soo much faster it would not matter to the enterpirse after its but in 2-4 pieces with little starfleet Ensigns getting sucked out into space and the enterprise desparatly trying to divert power to life systems, re-establish envionmental shields to seal the hull breaches.

    If it comes down to it. The minbari are a caste civilization anyways. The military is made up of the warrior caste. They would have no problem with just ramming their ship into the enterprise or overloading there own power core to suicide bomb the enterprise if they were going to lose.
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  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Posts: 4,521Members
    you know you're an alcoholic when you see 'minbari' and you think 'minibar'...
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    QUOTE (DiscoZombie @ Mar 14 2004, 12:20 PM)
    you know you're an alcoholic when you see 'minbari' and you think 'minibar'...

    i thought that too XD
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    QUOTE (DiscoZombie @ Mar 14 2004, 03:20 PM)
    you know you're an alcoholic when you see 'minbari' and you think 'minibar'...


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  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Posts: 1,725Members, Constellation
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    The Minbari Cruiser has a fighter wing, IIRC. The Enterprise really only has main guns; space battles in the Starfleet universe don't center on dogfight-style combat, so they don't have little turrets and things to ward off small stuff, nor do they have a fighter wing of their own, just a couple dinky little shuttlecraft which are deplorably unmaneuverable in comparison to a real fighter craft. If any of those things can get through the Enterprise's shields while they've got phasers and torps locked on the big fish, it's ggpwn for Picard & Co. Never deny the power of space combat in the style of Wing Commander.

    PS: Really though, unless I'm underestimating the sort of ship the Enterprise is, I think a more comparable adversary would be a Whitestar. Capital ships in the Babylon 5 universe are frackin' HUGE, IINM, more like how a starbase would be in the Starfleet universe. In terms of power, size, and maneuverability, I think a Whitestar is a much fairer match for the Enterprise. I still think the Whitestar would win though, because I believe they also have a small fighter wing.
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  • BeRzErKeRBeRzErKeR Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13691Posts: 740Members
    No, they don't. I think Whitestars can carry a few fighters/shuttles/whatever in their cargo bay if needed, but they don't have an actual fighter wing.
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  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Posts: 4,160Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    This just begs the question: Minibari cruiser vs imperial star destroyer?
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    QUOTE (Wheeee @ Mar 14 2004, 05:23 PM)
    This just begs the question: Minibari cruiser vs imperial star destroyer?

    Now that's a much better match up. Both have fighter wings, both are of major capital ship scale, both have a good mix of weaponry ranging from main guns to point defense. The one thing I think it's important to note is that, IINM, Minbari Cruisers usually showed up in twos or threes. I think a good match up for Minbari vs. Empire would be a full complement of cruisers vs. one star destroyer, or maybe the super star destroyer.
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  • JaegerJaeger Join Date: 2002-11-28 Member: 10202Posts: 839Members
    This is all assuming the Enterprise could even manage to acquire a stable lock on a Sharlin-class cruiser. Minbari ships utilize a combination of Minbari/Vorlon technology, especially with the White Star, that defeat most sensors. By the time the Enterprise managed a lock with its torpedoes (phasers would only inflict minimal damage, a Sharlin is too large and too heavily armored), the shields are gone and it's a beam laser kebab.


    White Star would own down the Defiant in 2. Vorlon tech + inertial drives + onboard fighter complement = dead Defiant. White Stars had enough stealth capability that even the Shadows, inherently telepathic and "linked" to their ships, were having a hard time knocking them out.
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  • Bill_DoorBill_Door Join Date: 2003-01-04 Member: 11792Posts: 1,267Members
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    A quite good ship size comparison page Jeff Russell's Starship Dimentions. It works best in IE, as then you can drag the ship pictures around, and yep, he does have the right sizes for the Executor and Death Stars.


    QUOTE (Jaeger @ Mar 14 2004, 10:54 PM)
    This is all assuming the Enterprise could even manage to acquire a stable lock on a Sharlin-class cruiser. Minbari ships utilize a combination of Minbari/Vorlon technology, especially with the White Star, that defeat most sensors. By the time the Enterprise managed a lock with its torpedoes (phasers would only inflict minimal damage, a Sharlin is too large and too heavily armored), the shields are gone and it's a beam laser kebab.
    The fact that the Starfleet lot have little experiance with manual targeting and will wait for a solid lock before firing, will certainly help the Sharlin


    QUOTE (Jaeger @ Mar 14 2004, 10:54 PM)
    White Star would own down the Defiant in 2. Vorlon tech + inertial drives + onboard fighter complement = dead Defiant. White Stars had enough stealth capability that even the Shadows, inherently telepathic and "linked" to their ships, were having a hard time knocking them out.
    The defiant would do better than most SF ships, as its pulse phasers tend to be used in bursts. That is assuming that they can even see the White Star, though.
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  • CronosCronos Join Date: 2002-10-18 Member: 1542Posts: 1,823Members
    What most of you are forgetting is that the enterprise staff is composed of scientists as well.

    The way I see it...

    Minbari fires on Enterprise for some reason or other, enterprise fires back, yadda yadda, skirmish stuff, enterprise finds it cant inflict severe damage to minbari cruiser, warps away to safety. Crew analyses data from the battle, comes up with a way to counter the sensor lockout thingies, come back, disable minbaris weapons and try to open a hailing frequency.

    One other thing, Fighters would get prawned, their energy output would never be enough to put a dent through them.

    And lest we forget that the Enterprise has such things as inertial dampening fields so that it can accelerate quite fast without making the crew a pastiche of pancakes. Last I looked, B5 still has to obey physics because of not having neato tech like this tounge.gif

    Matchup seems pretty even to me, however, one last thing, what is to stop the Enterprise from beaming in a security team and setting the Minbaris reactor to overload, then beaming them out again? tounge.gif

    Last thing, I promise, whats the point of this again biggrin.gif
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    QUOTE (Cereal_KillR @ Mar 14 2004, 05:55 AM)
    I don't know what a minbari is, so I'd go with the Enterprise too.


    How about a Lucifer vs a Ravana? It seems the Lucifer is superior with its shield, but why would they make Ravanas instead of other Lucifers in Freespace 2?

    edit: and the traditional Kirk vs Picard

    Ah the Lucifer. 1/4 the size of Earth's moon, and a lumbering engine of planetary destruction.
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  • JaegerJaeger Join Date: 2002-11-28 Member: 10202Posts: 839Members
    Was the Lucifer really that big? I recall it's mass was on par with that of an Orion or Typhon class destroyer.

    Now, the Sathanas... biggrin.gif
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  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Posts: 1,725Members, Constellation
    From that link above, it appears I was right about the Whitestar being a better match for the Enterprise, and two Sharlins (or three Tinashis?) standing off with a Star Destroyer.
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  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Posts: 2,598Members
    People need to stop pitting the Enterprise against warships and gunboats, the Federation didn't design ships for wars.

    It's like saying who would win the UN Weapons Inspectors or the Third Reich.
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    QUOTE (dr.d @ Mar 15 2004, 01:25 AM)
    People need to stop pitting the Enterprise against warships and gunboats, the Federation didn't design ships for wars.

    It's like saying who would win the UN Weapons Inspectors or the Third Reich.

    True.

    Now what about that one from Voyager that WAS a warship? Y'know, the one the Janeway from the future was driving. I can't remember what it was called, but it had slipstream warp engines and ARMOR. Not just shields. ARMOR. That was nuts.
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  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Posts: 2,452Members
    Cronos, the Minbari had artificial gravity and inertial dampening too. Have you seen the sudden acceleration that happens when they use a Jump Gate?

    the White Star's had their own small fighter complement, usually 4-6 fighters. They were usually piloted by either Minbari Warriors or the Ana'Shok (Rangers).


    Now an ISD vs 3 Minbari War Cruisers would be intresting, but the Minbari would still win. Why? PIN-POINT PRECISE JUMP GATES BABEE.

    What use would shields be when the Minbari cruisers can just come out of Jump-Space right next to the ISD, and tear it apart with the Jump Gate energy.
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