Oh For The Love Of God

ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Posts: 493Banned
GIVE STEAM A CHANCE
WTH IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

Were ANY of you here around for the Star Wars Galaxies release?

Do you have ANY idea how common this type if occurrence is for a brand new multi player platform is released INSTANTLY to 1000's of people at a time?

I remember when SWG first came out, you had to register with your credit card online, and the friggin registration form wouldent load for anyone, the forums were BLAZING with debate and threats to not subscribe, petitions for an extra month of play for free due to lost time...

GIVE IT UP! this HAPPENS. Do you realize how big the HL/HLmod community player base is? and what happens when almost every single one of them tries to download this update simultaneously?


I say its about time valve evolves. Half life is 5 years old, and its user interface shows it. Check out www.won.net, can you believe the ever successful half life is still associated with that piece of outdated rubbish? Seirra is still dragging itself on the coattails of half life's success and their time is and has long been up.

I'm sick of loading ASE to find a list of servers, then opening HLSW to add it to the list to join, and talk to friends thru AIM or ICQ or MSN (differnet people use different programs) JUST TO GET INTO A HL GAME.

Steam combines all of these into one, it doesnt matter if your friend insists on ICQ and you on MSN. And look at the server list, its absolutly great, it ranks with all the latest games out there, reminds me of the battlefield1942 interface, clean and efficent, updates insanely fast, refreshes individual servers fast, it even has the auto join function like HLSW, its just great...

and almost best of all, it doesnt resize your entire screen just to browse servers, i cant express how great the whole concept is and how HUGE of an improvement it is on the current 5 year old version of half life.

bottom line, just give it a break, recall the opening day of SWG if you think this is a major f**k up. The community is NOT packing up and leaving, steam was released hours ago and there are already 100s of servers up, we've just started and the road is going to be bumpy for a while, just bear with valve while they streighten it out, and i couldent imagine any possible downsides to this update of an antiquated, archaic system.
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  • WitherWither A Bugged Life Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11513Posts: 1,447Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    This can only result in a flame war, but err, it isn't all those people trying to use it that makes it crash when not even downloading updates. There's no support at all for non hippy servers, just the ones that are tight with valve, being dod/cs, others are basically screwed. Server ops are forced to mess around with it while being clueless, no support being handed out at all, and why should you download hl everytime you try to play a steam supported mod? Sorry but, this is poor work.
  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Posts: 493Banned
    QUOTE (Wither @ Sep 12 2003, 06:35 PM)
    This can only result in a flame war, but err, it isn't all those people trying to use it that makes it crash when not even downloading updates. There's no support at all for non hippy servers, just the ones that are tight with valve, being dod/cs, others are basically screwed. Server ops are forced to mess around with it while being clueless, no support being handed out at all, and why should you download hl everytime you try to play a steam supported mod? Sorry but, this is poor work.

    It was released hours ago.
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  • MausMaus Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5599Posts: 2,532Members
    Its complete lack of documentation doesn't help either. If we at least had something explaining what it's doing I'm sure a lot of us would feel better about it.

    Not to mention that if it continues trying to do these huge downloads (ie if that's not a bug) then us modemers are royally screwed.
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    QUOTE (Maus @ Sep 12 2003, 06:39 PM)
    Its complete lack of documentation doesn't help either. If we at least had something explaining what it's doing I'm sure a lot of us would feel better about it.

    Not to mention that if it continues trying to do these huge downloads (ie if that's not a bug) then us modemers are royally screwed.

    It was released hours ago.
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  • absenticabsentic Join Date: 2003-09-03 Member: 20517Posts: 257Banned
    I'm sorry but WON.net doesn't need to look fancy seeing as you do not need it for absolutely anything, you just authenticate using their servers to play HL2. Have you had problems with won.net lately? Didn't think so. IF IT WORKS, DO NOT FIX IT. Not to mention Steam seems to monitor your system, is a resoruce hog, is slow, is buggy, is trying to hoard the ability to browse servers only for itself, requries you to download CS and HALF-LIFE itself and needs to be running and online if you want to play HL SP, needs to be on if you even want to launch the damn hl.exe at all not to mention EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS BAD ABOUT IT. Down with Steam.
  • MausMaus Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5599Posts: 2,532Members
    QUOTE (kann_nix @ Sep 13 2003, 12:43 AM)
    It was released hours ago.

    k. If your whole defence is going to be repeating that phrase over and over there's no point having this discussion.
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  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Posts: 3,567Members, Constellation
    WON Works, Steam is annoying, buggy and doesn't work. So what if it was released hours ago, it should have been finished before it was released. Or at least made functional for more than 25% of those who downloaded it. I have no idea what it looks like, because it hasn't worked for me (guess what?! it crashes!)
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  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Posts: 493Banned
    QUOTE (Maus @ Sep 12 2003, 06:49 PM)
    k. If your whole defence is going to be repeating that phrase over and over there's no point having this discussion.

    i know, thats my point, this happens every single time somthing is changed.

    am i the only one sick of HL resizing my monitor to 640x480 to set up the game and
    browse servers, then resizing again when loading, then having sound loss and the
    mouse interfieir with the game when it gets alt+tabbed, etc etc etc etc....

    IT IS BROKE.

    ITS 5 YEARS OLD.

    its time for an update, and despite the massive flaws so far, steam has proposed a
    great alternitive, and you should be happy they're taking the initiative to keep this
    game up with the times.


    these argumetns happen

    EVERY

    SINGLE

    TIME

    a new massive update is released, and i as 1 single human cannot stop all the morons
    from spamming the boards with complaints, but maybe bringing these good sides of
    steam to the limelight will change the minds of a few of you
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  • JimBowenJimBowen Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16873Posts: 264Members, Constellation
    From my personal view ive followed steam through its beta stages and seen bug after bug just ignored by valve. I mean ffs, they never fixed the kb/s thing showing up wrong?confused.gif
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  • MavericMaveric Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Posts: 2,923Members
    I dont like 3rd party programs that are made from the same company. If it wasn't in the original version and its for multiplayer im not using it.

    Battle.net for StarCraft came with StarCraft so i like SC's system because it came with the game from Day 1 or near there.

    Steam is like Battle.net, except the game is HL... and HL has a system already setup to play multiplayer games. Steam is just a cheap trap to sucker you into putting more stuff (RE: Spyware, 3rd party Programs, etc) onto your computer when you dont really need it in the first place. "If it aint broke dont fix it" comes to mind.

    IMO Valve should just shove steam back up the pipe, and release it with HL 2... and to be used on only with HL 2.

    Steam = HL 2's battle.net
    WON = HL's battle.net

    Nuff' said from me...
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  • Paranoia2MBParanoia2MB Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7832Posts: 2,191Members
    "I'm sick of loading ASE to find a list of servers, then opening HLSW to add it to the list to join, and talk to friends thru AIM or ICQ or MSN (differnet people use different programs) JUST TO GET INTO A HL GAME"

    Heh, you make it sound like it takes 5 hours to do.


    ASE = Own

    I just open ASE, right-click and copy server address and paste it in my AIM away message and then click enter or double click on the server on ASE and I'm in the game. tounge.gif
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  • SinSpawnSinSpawn Harbinger of Suffering Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8359Posts: 1,684Members
    I can't believe you defend Steam, I mean o yea steam was great and all when it was in beta stages where only broadband users could use it.

    I was on Dial-up and tried back then, atleast then I could isntall it.

    But for the public release It won't even install.

    Valve are awful at bringing out spontanious things I.E taking over DOD project, they beta-tasted it and guess what...it had major bugs in, even the bug where you can see enemy grenades on the minimap.

    I do wonder who is the guy behind all these awful ideas, I need a sack of potatoes to whack him.
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  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Posts: 493Banned
    funny you mention battle.net, i always thought StarCraft's battle.net was like the model multiplayer user interface, so clean cut, you could get anything done, join and create chat rooms, friends list, msg friends from in games, etc

    in many ways i find Steam to mimic this, bringing all thoes great functions got HL

    just like you said,

    Steam = HL2's battle.net
    WON = HL's battle.net

    thats true.

    but WON doesnt go beyond cd key validation and server listing (with horribly lacking filtering options)

    steam is updating this, steam IS BRINGING HL 1 TO THE RANKS OF HL2, they're keeping it updated, they
    arent abandoning it and leaving it in the dust to make way for HL2

    true alienation of the HL community would be to abandon HL and focus entirely on HL2.
    you think steam lags now? imagine if valve abandoned HL and you were forced to get HL2, and a new
    processor, and a new video card, and more ram.....
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  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Posts: 6,498Banned
    STEAM has to be the most poorly done program ever. It was released on a large scale of people, WTH are they thinking by letting it come to us all so freaking bugged? No excuses. That's just crap.

    You'd think that since you are being forced to DL this trash if you want to play HL, they'd do a good job of it but hell no...
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  • absenticabsentic Join Date: 2003-09-03 Member: 20517Posts: 257Banned
    QUOTE (kann_nix @ Sep 12 2003, 07:00 PM)
    QUOTE (Maus @ Sep 12 2003, 06:49 PM)
    k. If your whole defence is going to be repeating that phrase over and over there's no point having this discussion.

    i know, thats my point, this happens every single time somthing is changed.

    am i the only one sick of HL resizing my monitor to 640x480 to set up the game and
    browse servers, then resizing again when loading, then having sound loss and the
    mouse interfieir with the game when it gets alt+tabbed, etc etc etc etc....

    IT IS BROKE.

    ITS 5 YEARS OLD.

    its time for an update, and despite the massive flaws so far, steam has proposed a
    great alternitive, and you should be happy they're taking the initiative to keep this
    game up with the times.


    these argumetns happen

    EVERY

    SINGLE

    TIME

    a new massive update is released, and i as 1 single human cannot stop all the morons
    from spamming the boards with complaints, but maybe bringing these good sides of
    steam to the limelight will change the minds of a few of you

    Hey tard, here are my arguments:

    IT
    ISNT
    BROKEN

    DONT
    FIX
    IT


    See? Quite simple. Try and comprehend, grasshopper.
  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Posts: 493Banned
    absentic, i think frogg said it best in that other thread i was reading..

    "Um please know what your talking about..."

    im sure your witty 1 liners go well over in middle school. no one's impressed.
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  • Jabba_The_HuntJabba_The_Hunt Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11850Posts: 1,035Members
    I agree with the guy who started this thread, steam is good, they just need to fix a few things.
  • JimBowenJimBowen Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16873Posts: 264Members, Constellation
    QUOTE (Jabba The Hunt @ Sep 12 2003, 07:21 PM)
    I agree with the guy who started this thread, steam is good, they just need to fix a few things.

    The ideas behind steam are great, If they get it working it will be a great tool for the halflife community. But to go through the beta test and come up to the release without removing all the main bugs is very worrying mad.gif
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  • The_ThingThe_Thing Join Date: 2003-02-25 Member: 13993Posts: 773Members
    I just think all these talk about steam needs to stop, there's nothing we can do about it. Im sure valve knows what it's going on.(unlike EA who's always greedy for money).
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  • MavericMaveric Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Posts: 2,923Members
    QUOTE (kann_nix @ Sep 12 2003, 05:11 PM)
    but WON doesnt go beyond cd key validation and server listing (with horribly lacking filtering options)

    steam is updating this, steam IS BRINGING HL 1 TO THE RANKS OF HL2, they're keeping it updated, they
    arent abandoning it and leaving it in the dust to make way for HL2

    WON wasn't meant to do all that... and im sure HL wasn't meant to do that, "To the ranks of HL 2", either. confused.gif

    Its like exchanging Battle.net for something thats highly-uber but poorly implemented + bugged.

    hence you get steam.

    (And steam is what people seem to be gathering in their head...)

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  • SinSpawnSinSpawn Harbinger of Suffering Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8359Posts: 1,684Members
    QUOTE ([ZAPR]The Thing @ Sep 13 2003, 01:27 AM)
    I just think all these talk about steam needs to stop, there's nothing we can do about it. Im sure valve knows what it's going on.(unlike EA who's always greedy for money).

    lol thats like telling people to stop saying which chamber is best for first choice. It won't happen.

    Also I agree with Forlorn, You'd expect steam to WORK atleast 90% have minimum bugs, I mean come on, they had it in beta2 stages for ages for broadbanders before they closed of d/l links.
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  • absenticabsentic Join Date: 2003-09-03 Member: 20517Posts: 257Banned
    QUOTE (kann_nix @ Sep 12 2003, 07:11 PM)
    but WON doesnt go beyond cd key validation and server listing (with horribly lacking filtering options)

    steam is updating this, steam IS BRINGING HL 1 TO THE RANKS OF HL2, they're keeping it updated, they
    arent abandoning it and leaving it in the dust to make way for HL2

    Bahahhaha.... I just read this and I have to give it to you; you are one of the most ignorant people on this forum. I do agree that Steam is a great update to a user interface which only newbies such as yourself even used. Everyone else had been using Gamespy and ASE after GS became crap.

    I especially love the second paragraph, it's just so uninformed and clearly brainwashed that it makes me laugh :)

    (PS: WON doesn't need to go beyond CD key validation :D)
  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Posts: 493Banned
    JimBowen; exactly, they are great ideas, and the thing was released merely hours ago.

    again, im forced to bring up the example of Star Wars Galaxies, maybe you've heard of it?
    it was release a few months back and has already made itself one of the most successful
    MMORPG's in the history of computer gaming...

    when they first released it, you had to fill out a subscribtion form in order to get in the game..

    guess what? by the time the game hit the shelves, THE SUBSCRIBTION SYSTEM WAS OFFLINE!

    the ENTIRE community was up in flames. In a few hours thought (by a few i mean like 12) they
    got it online, you were able to log in, create your account and select a server to play on.

    then, the servers, every single one of them, went down. they couldent handel the stress, and every
    single one went off line. this happened on and off for a VERY long time...

    and look at it now. one of the most popular games in history with somthing like 250,000 players i
    believe.


    people like "Forlorn" saying 'this is the worst software release ever' have not a single, solitary clue
    as to what they're talking about.

    [ZAPR]The Thing; you bring up another point. bringing HL to steam to me is like a representation of their
    concern and care for HL.

    they arent leaving it in the dust and shifting all focus to HL2 (which is the strategy for most mass commercially
    produced games published by EA and others), they're updating it, and keeping it as fresh and new as their
    most recet game, yeah the path is proving to be bumpy, but if you think this is a big deal, you (all of you who
    weren't around for the SWG opening) havent seen ANYTHING.
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  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Posts: 493Banned
    QUOTE (absentic @ Sep 12 2003, 07:33 PM)
    QUOTE (kann_nix @ Sep 12 2003, 07:11 PM)
    but WON doesnt go beyond cd key validation and server listing (with horribly lacking filtering options)

    steam is updating this, steam IS BRINGING HL 1 TO THE RANKS OF HL2, they're keeping it updated, they
    arent abandoning it and leaving it in the dust to make way for HL2

    Bahahhaha.... I just read this and I have to give it to you; you are one of the most ignorant people on this forum. I do agree that Steam is a great update to a user interface which only newbies such as yourself even used. Everyone else had been using Gamespy and ASE after GS became crap.

    I especially love the second paragraph, it's just so uninformed and clearly brainwashed that it makes me laugh smile.gif

    (PS: WON doesn't need to go beyond CD key validation biggrin.gif)

    absentic:

    "Let me just restate that anyone who seriously thinks that a client that:

    a) requires you to download counter-strike and HALF-LIFE ITSELF to play
    b) is buggy/slow
    c) somewhat disables far superior browsers like ASE
    d) _WILL_ have a monthly pay 2 play

    ... is good, seriously needs to think this over again. I just mentioned some of the bad sides; the most important thing ofcourse is the fact that Half-Life just got it's death sentence and I surely will not support a company that pulls this obnoxious bullsh1t on gamers who have supported their 5 year old game like this. I'll just "aquire" HL2 instead. "



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  • NurEinMenschNurEinMensch Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14056Posts: 1,352Members, Constellation
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    QUOTE (Jabba The Hunt @ Sep 12 2003, 07:21 PM)
    I agree with the guy who started this thread, steam is good, they just need to fix a few things.

    Maybe it was good if it would work. It doesn't. Not for me and not for many other people.
    So: Heck no it is not good!

    Or to reply to the sub title of this thread: I gave it a chance.
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  • EzekielEzekiel Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3006Posts: 369Members
    QUOTE (kann_nix @ Sep 13 2003, 12:41 AM)
    and look at it now. one of the most popular games in history with somthing like 250,000 players i
    believe.

    oooo 250,000 people...must be one of the most popular then tounge.gif

    anyone care to list numbers for cs,ns,quake,dod,ut,etcetcetc
  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Posts: 493Banned
    QUOTE (Ezekiel @ Sep 12 2003, 07:56 PM)
    QUOTE (kann_nix @ Sep 13 2003, 12:41 AM)
    and look at it now. one of the most popular games in history with somthing like 250,000 players i
    believe.

    oooo 250,000 people...must be one of the most popular then tounge.gif

    anyone care to list numbers for cs,ns,quake,dod,ut,etcetcetc

    lol, take your rittalin, and try to focus on the entire scope of my point, not just 1 small fact.

    i know focusing for that long is not somthing you're accustomed to, but try.

    besides, you're reinforcing my point, what the **** ****ing ***** *****!! do you expect
    when this many people try to log on all at once?
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  • philmcnealphilmcneal Join Date: 2002-10-24 Member: 1585Posts: 326Members
    iam very amazed at the lack of information is in this topic...

    you guys have no idea how steam works at all... all I can say is... give it a week's time and things will be back to normal.


    heck valve is realsing a big version of steam as we speak so you don't need to dl it when u launch it.


    the same type of whining was apparent when 1.4 came out... you will threaten to leave but two weeks time you will come crawling back.

    I can be very positiive to say you all will love steam within a week or so.

    Until then play another game till things are fixed. well you can't play ns anymore so... try homeworld 2 demo or some enemy territory to spice things up.

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  • CragzCragz Join Date: 2003-09-10 Member: 20711Posts: 24Members
    I agree everyone should give it a rest, but it does include ignorant fanboys and/or newbies like yourself. Now the two nouns after ignorant weren't meant as insults, just placing you among the ranks of those who actually think Valve have any excuses for what's happened.

    I think I'm going to remember 9/12 as the greatest tragedy of all time, the day a million halflife fans died a little inside. It dwarfs that whole trade centre thing.

    smile.gif

    Back to the arguments. Using the ingame browser to search for games is beyond laughable, the All Seeing Eye brought to the table a far superior interface, a multitude of options, instant refresh/scan/ping options and most of all the ability to search ALL games. You complain you can't let MSN/ICQ/IRC know which game you're going to - have you checked the DDE/Options gumps recently? I guess not, auto update features the likes of which Steam will NEVER have live there.

    It's insane how Valve can pass on this ad ridden, buggy, slow, RESOURCE HOGGING piece of software with numerous memory leaks and use "a lot of people are using it" as an excuse for poor performance! What did they expect when they unleashed something every single HL player in the world is going to have to use? Us to take it in turns? They could at least have saved us the insult of making the software so below par it hurts.

    I think I've said enough, I guess I'll be subject to a retort such as "you are no longer significant. please dispose of yourself." GGWP.
  • AxehiltAxehilt Join Date: 2003-09-12 Member: 20796Posts: 198Members
    HL's old system was far superior for power users. The smart ones found the 1-4 servers they enjoyed most and created those servers as shortcuts on their desktop! It's as simple as adding /connect 123.123.123.123 to the command line (and /console too, I think).

    Double-click icon, connect to server. I use this method for many FPS games, not just Half-life. I spend about a month playing different servers with ACE (or Gamespy, back in the day when it didn't suck), figure out which ones are my favorites, and make shortcuts of them. I'll lean back on ACE if my 2-3 favorite servers manage to get filled to capacity for longer than 5 minutes.

    There was even a fancy program I picked up a while ago which let you know ahead of time whether the server was full, prior to clicking the link and it would auto-redial for you.

    Still, since most users are very un-hardcore, STEAM makes sense. As long as the UI is responsive and well designed, it'll improve the user's experience. That's the catch though, it has to be at least as responsive as the current system (and with my shortcut launching directly to my favorite server, that's a pretty tall order).

    I find it fairly entertaining that some people are still using the in-game browser to find games. The in-game browser is a POS. However, I kind of doubt that STEAM will be better than the current alternatives we have (ACE or Shortcuts, among others).

    I also find it entertaining that someone said they would sue Valve for a monopoly on server browsers. What, do you think there's some law stating that companies can't limit how you use their software? Battle.net is currently just as closed as any new system Valve comes up with. Silly angry people and their attempts to sue over everything. "I'm angry, give me money!" The only thing you could seriously try would be to return the game - if multiplayer is broken to the point of being unplayable for you. You bought a product advertising multiplayer and if that feature isn't there, you probably have some sort of a valid argument (depending on how the box, EULA, etc, are worded).
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