and the marines who hate them
ok, we've agreed that 1ip, obs, phasegate + phasegate at hive is the leanest quickest start (as opposed to the traditional: 2ip, tf, 2turr, armory method). then resource the hive and then, build defenses in.
the only problem i have is, how the heck do you get marines to listen to you and actually do it on a pub without them all jumping up and down at base yelling "drop the armory and turrets you n00b comm!". comm chair needs an admin slap feature. like an ability to zap a marine the way a dog trainer zaps a dog... mmm