Why isn't there.....

YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
edited November 2014 in NS2 General Discussion
A polling option available for us to use? Unless I'm incredibly stupid or blind (hopefully the latter) haha.

A general consensus option would be very efficient for us to have to vote on sensible issues for example the Reinforcement Program, new features, etc etc, you could even take these consensus to push out to trello!

Maybe Comprox could help out on this, feel free to move to Website Feedback if thats the appropriate place.

Democracy ftw!
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  • JektJekt Join Date: 2012-02-05 Member: 143714Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2014
    I've never used this myself, but if you click on the arrow dropdown next to discussion the second option is to start a poll.

    I assume its the same as starting a discussion (thread) but just adds a poll at the top. Pretty sure I've seen it used before.

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  • YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2014
    Hmmmm I can't see it pal I dont get a drop down button :(

    Do you have to meet a certain requirement before it is available to you?
  • dragonmithdragonmith Join Date: 2013-02-04 Member: 182817Members, Reinforced - Diamond
    I don't have one either... I use Firefox, maybe its browser related?
  • GhoulofGSG9GhoulofGSG9 Join Date: 2013-03-31 Member: 184566Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Supporter, Pistachionauts
    Only certain ppl can start polls but don't ask me what criterion this "unlocking polls for users" follows.
  • YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2014
    Only certain ppl can start polls but don't ask me what criterion this "unlocking polls for users" follows.

    Any reason for this ghoul? How comes everyone doesn't have the ability to create polls, could work in your favour, the forums are pretty well moderated so any misuse would get clamped down on rather quickly! :)
  • cooliticcoolitic Right behind you Join Date: 2013-04-02 Member: 184609Members
    Only certain ppl can start polls but don't ask me what criterion this "unlocking polls for users" follows.

    Gonna guess playtesters, CDT, UWE, moderators, and maybe veterans.
  • GhoulofGSG9GhoulofGSG9 Join Date: 2013-03-31 Member: 184566Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Supporter, Pistachionauts
    edited November 2014
    Yojimbo wrote: »
    Only certain ppl can start polls but don't ask me what criterion this "unlocking polls for users" follows.

    Any reason for this ghoul? How comes everyone doesn't have the ability to create polls, could work in your favour, the forums are pretty well moderated so any misuse would get clamped down on rather quickly! :)

    Don't ask me, it has been this way since ever afaik. Maybe @Comprox‌ (tip by adding a @ at the front ppl will receive a notification/email ;) ) can tell you more about why polls are handled as they are currently.
  • YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    Haha @GhoulofGSG9‌ brilliant funny enough that was the next topic I was gonna make, does the forum have a tag ability like facebook does, questioned answered!
  • GhoulofGSG9GhoulofGSG9 Join Date: 2013-03-31 Member: 184566Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Supporter, Pistachionauts
    :D Make a topic about embed gdoc in posts (via oembed) for me :P That's a feature I'm waiting for since a year or more.
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited November 2014
    @Yojimbo there is one difference between Jekt and your account called verified, I fixed that for ya. Maybe it works now :-?
  • YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    Haha I try to remember too mate, on a side note the reason for the polling consensus was because I believe this would help you in making decisions on implementations towards trello e.g. for example make official poll on whether to add xxx feature to trello then to be worked on from there and for other off topic reasons such as Reinforcement Program, yay or nay.
  • YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited November 2014
    Kouji_San wrote: »
    @Yojimbo there is one difference between Jekt and your account called verified, I fixed that for ya. Maybe it works now :-?

    I wasn't verified :open_mouth: cheers kouji much appreciated, I'll try making a poll in a minute.

    *Update* Nope theres still no drop down arrow next to New Discussion :(
  • SamusDroidSamusDroid Colorado Join Date: 2013-05-13 Member: 185219Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Playtester, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    edited November 2014
    Only moderators can make polls that I know of, at least that is what Comprox said I think. It's a rarely used feature.
  • YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    No wonder why its rarely used, no one can use it, if you enable it for the majority of users, I promise you I will use the polling feature to full effect.
  • SamusDroidSamusDroid Colorado Join Date: 2013-05-13 Member: 185219Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Playtester, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
  • SquishpokePOOPFACESquishpokePOOPFACE -21,248 posts (ignore below) Join Date: 2012-10-31 Member: 165262Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I'd rather have reasoned arguments rather than numbers indicating a popular opinion. *shrug*
  • NordicNordic Long term camping in Kodiak Join Date: 2012-05-13 Member: 151995Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    Squishpoke wrote: »
    I'd rather have reasoned arguments rather than numbers indicating a popular opinion. *shrug*

    There is a time and place for both, but reasoned arguments should always be preferred.
  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    While ideas and implementations frequently come from users in these forums, a tallied vote would give a heartbeat on the customer base.

    I've always wanted voting in these forums (where discussion can also take place) but I think developers have been hesitant to add something that may create unreasonable expectations from voters and unneeded pressure when a certain feature isn't implemented..


    But i definitely get the concern, there are some very passionate members in this community (myself included obviously) and "design by committee" methods generally end up becoming a messy nightmare.
    Perhaps if disclaimers are repeatedly shoved down throats? Idk.. *shrug"
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    I vote for a poll to ban @IronHorse‌ for reasons! :-\"
  • CalegoCalego Join Date: 2013-01-24 Member: 181848Members, NS2 Map Tester
    Squishpoke wrote: »
    I'd rather have reasoned arguments rather than numbers indicating a popular opinion. *shrug*

    Think of it like the "agree" and "disagree" buttons. Sometimes people don't want to type out a long reply and would rather just click a button to put in their 2 cents. Plus the polls would be most suited for little things.
  • YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    Sooooo... Can we do a poll on whether or not we should have polls? :))
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    Forums that allow anyone to start polls are usually filled with lots of silly and redundant polls that boil down to "hey guize do u agree wit me?!" Star Citizen forums usually have polls in about 1/4-1/3 of the threads on the front page... it's pretty awful.
  • NordicNordic Long term camping in Kodiak Join Date: 2012-05-13 Member: 151995Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    Narfwak wrote: »
    Forums that allow anyone to start polls are usually filled with lots of silly and redundant polls that boil down to "hey guize do u agree wit me?!" Star Citizen forums usually have polls in about 1/4-1/3 of the threads on the front page... it's pretty awful.

    That is why you don't allow anyone, but make it a limited privilege that can be used more than it is now.
  • sotanahtsotanaht Join Date: 2013-01-12 Member: 179215Members
    Narfwak wrote: »
    Forums that allow anyone to start polls are usually filled with lots of silly and redundant polls that boil down to "hey guize do u agree wit me?!" Star Citizen forums usually have polls in about 1/4-1/3 of the threads on the front page... it's pretty awful.

    That hasn't really been my experience, but I guess it depends largely on what the forum is for. Star Citizen's forum largely exists at this point for feedback, ideas, and suggestions, so "do you like this feature y/n" and "do you think this is a good idea y/n" would probably be fairly common topics, basically using polls as petitions to add or remove features. For an established game or just a more general purpose forum I don't think polls would be made all that often. So I doubt it would be a problem on NS2 general, but maybe keeping them restricted on Subnautica is a good idea.
  • GhoulofGSG9GhoulofGSG9 Join Date: 2013-03-31 Member: 184566Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Supporter, Pistachionauts
    edited November 2014
    After thinking about it i guess the poll feature is unlocked once a user reaches a certain forum reputation (aka points in your profile).

    You get those via unlocking forum achievements getting, agrees and awesomes at your posts.

    Overall i agree with that system as it makes sure the forum doesn't end up with tons of totally nonsense polls. Now it just should be made more public what the exact reputation is to use polls.

    And also show the poll button to all users saying "You need to gain x more reputation points" in case they try to create a poll but are not allowed to create polls.
  • YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    To be honest, look at the NS2 community who use these forums, do we have an extensive history of forum trolls and griefers?

    If so do they still exist? if so why haven't they been dealt with already?

    My point is these forums are pretty tame (especially now as the games been out for awhile and the community has shrunk) and wouldn't really suffer from any of these supposed problems.
  • GhoulofGSG9GhoulofGSG9 Join Date: 2013-03-31 Member: 184566Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Supporter, Pistachionauts
    edited November 2014
    Yojimbo wrote: »
    To be honest, look at the NS2 community who use these forums, do we have an extensive history of forum trolls and griefers?

    If so do they still exist? if so why haven't they been dealt with already?

    My point is these forums are pretty tame (especially now as the games been out for awhile and the community has shrunk) and wouldn't really suffer from any of these supposed problems.

    Believe me this forum has the same issues like many others in terms of spams and trolling, but the moderator team is quiet active so usually you should not see those "critical posts" at all.

    What i was thinking about might be lowering the requirement points for creating a poll to something low like 50. That way most active users could create polls, while new users would have to stick just a little bit to the community to unlock polls. ( i guess get 2 achievements )

    That would be a good solution for both sides (users and moderators) because it would make sure ppl starting polls are used to the forum and its rules and would basically allow everyone starting polls.
  • YojimboYojimbo England Join Date: 2009-03-19 Member: 66806Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Shadow
    Should be a doozy for you then :)@GhoulofGSG9‌

    Yeah that seems like a fair and reasonable solution, having to meet a certain criteria than giving access to everyone seems good!

  • meatmachinemeatmachine South England Join Date: 2013-01-06 Member: 177858Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    Make the lower limit for posts 1000 so @Yojimbo really has to work for his polls :))
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