What frustrates you the most?

peregrinusperegrinus Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Posts: 2,426Members
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Aliens

- When the last hive is surrounded, all you can do is watch, wait for an egg to appear and hope it won't be sniped, and when you spawn you won't die in less than a second. Marines have beacon, why don't aliens have something like that?

- Being a big fat skulk not much more agile than marines in close combat, feels slow, and is easily spotted when hiding because the legs extend so far, but you can't tell that in 1st person view.

- Being 1 shot killed by a shotgun the split second I go around a corner, because they have the observatory.

- Railings. Getting stuck on them, having to jump over them, I just hate them!

- Finding a spot where I'm allowed to evolve. Why can't the eggs go on slopes?

- When the commander quits, or the team seems to have lost, and we start lose players so for the last 20 minutes there are twice as many rines as aliens. No marine is willing to even the teams so the entire match feels like a waste of time.

- When in walking mode, the game won't let me go from the ground on to a wall. A little thing. But an irritating one :P

- The alien structures don't feel powerful, and are rarely game changing like the phase gate or arcs are for marines. I just see them sit there looking all squishy.

- Weak support abilities of the lerk.

Marines

- All the powernode nonsense...there has to be a more fun way to manage room control.

- The voice sayings menu. I'd like a circular one like Left for Dead and Battlefield

- Not being able to tell precisely where the powered area starts and ends.

That's all. As you can tell I think the marines are much better developed and polished than the alien side :)
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  • SkieSkie Skulk Progenitor Join Date: 2003-10-18 Member: 21766Posts: 656Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow
    QUOTE (peregrinus @ Mar 8 2012, 09:14 PM) »
    Aliens

    - When the last hive is surrounded, all you can do is watch, wait for an egg to appear and hope it won't be sniped, and when you spawn you won't die in less than a second. Marines have beacon, why don't aliens have something like that?

    Yeah it's a bit of a bummer, and quite unfun.

    - Being a big fat skulk not much more agile than marines in close combat, feels slow, and is easily spotted when hiding because the legs extend so far, but you can't tell that in 1st person view.

    The skulk is immensely agile in 199, but because you have no idea how the model is positioned (unless you practise it a bit with cheats on on a listen server) hiding sometimes is really pointless.

    - Being 1 shot killed by a shotgun the split second I go around a corner, because they have the observatory.

    Being 1-shot killed by a shotgun even when you have carapace, and your body warps a couple of meters from where you died because of the lack of fast response from weapons. That's my biggest related gripe.

    - Railings. Getting stuck on them, having to jump over them, I just hate them!

    Railings are so good as a marine. When you're waiting for that fade to attack and it blinks in, just jump over a railing and kill him (it?) with a shotgun. :D

    - Finding a spot where I'm allowed to evolve. Why can't the eggs go on slopes?

    Having to press crouch all the time to get an evolve spot is a bit bothersome.

    - When the commander quits, or the team seems to have lost, and we start lose players so for the last 20 minutes there are twice as many rines as aliens. No marine is willing to even the teams so the entire match feels like a waste of time.

    I guess it would be good sportsmanship to stay at least on the server, but personally I just go find another match when I see the match start going downhill. This is the biggest reason I don't like HoN, DotA or those type of games because you can see from afar which side is going to win, but you should keep playing and face the agonizing minutes of humiliation.

    Maybe a forfeit system for NS2 as well? There was a round_restart vote thing in Dystopia which was good. There was also shuffle teams vote which was great.


    - When in walking mode, the game won't let me go from the ground on to a wall. A little thing. But an irritating one :P

    Nothing to say about this. I never walk.

    - The alien structures don't feel powerful, and are rarely game changing like the phase gate or arcs are for marines. I just see them sit there looking all squishy.

    Agreed... Aliens need a ridiculous amount of buildings in one place for them to be useful. There's no one really game-changer building for them.

    - Weak support abilities of the lerk.

    Thankfully it will be faster in next patch. The new cropduster spores... I have mixed feelings about them. The cloud of spores is impossible to see through so I like making a cloud between me and the marines, and shooting them through it. It's impossible for them to shoot you unless comm uses a scan.

    Marines

    - All the powernode nonsense...there has to be a more fun way to manage room control.

    Somewhat agree. Don't have a good solution idea though.

    - The voice sayings menu. I'd like a circular one like Left for Dead and Battlefield

    Disagree. I don't want it to cover my screen.

    - Not being able to tell precisely where the powered area starts and ends.

    As a marine you can, but as a comm you can't, I think. As a marine, there's a small logo above the minimap that shows if there's power in the room or not.

    That's all. As you can tell I think the marines are much better developed and polished than the alien side :)


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  • angus320angus320 Join Date: 2011-01-20 Member: 78373Posts: 8Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited March 2012
    QUOTE (peregrinus @ Mar 8 2012, 01:14 PM) »
    Aliens

    - When the last hive is surrounded, all you can do is watch, wait for an egg to appear and hope it won't be sniped, and when you spawn you won't die in less than a second. Marines have beacon, why don't aliens have something like that?

    I'm far too lazy to cite my sources, but I believe that the shift will enable the khamm to "beacon" players to a hive that is under attack. Kinda similar, but also not implemented, and therefor up for changes.

    - Being a big fat skulk not much more agile than marines in close combat, feels slow, and is easily spotted when hiding because the legs extend so far, but you can't tell that in 1st person view.
    it has never really been an issue for me, however, I know for some people it has. maybe look into it.

    - Being 1 shot killed by a shotgun the split second I go around a corner, because they have the observatory.
    not annoying at all. I personally love the observatory's ranged motion tracking. Even if I am on the receiving end


    - Railings. Getting stuck on them, having to jump over them, I just hate them!
    Kind of clunky, I suppose. Again, I've never had too much of a problem with it

    - Finding a spot where I'm allowed to evolve. Why can't the eggs go on slopes?
    VERY ANNOYING. I hate this, especially when my team is under a time constraint.

    - When the commander quits, or the team seems to have lost, and we start lose players so for the last 20 minutes there are twice as many rines as aliens. No marine is willing to even the teams so the entire match feels like a waste of time.

    I would like to see a way to forfeit a match. This is very annoying. I think it's more of a problem of people not knowing when to quit. Like when your team is on one base. With a single RT. And the opposing team has complete map control. But it's OK guys, we can still make a comeback!! Very frustrating.

    - When in walking mode, the game won't let me go from the ground on to a wall. A little thing. But an irritating one :P
    Never actually noticed this one. I never walk on the floor anyway.

    - The alien structures don't feel powerful, and are rarely game changing like the phase gate or arcs are for marines. I just see them sit there looking all squishy.
    No comment, will edit later

    - Weak support abilities of the lerk.
    Not much of an issue, personally. There have been many times early game when a lerk has obstructed the view of some nasty marines for me. Saved my ass quite a few times.

    Marines

    - All the powernode nonsense...there has to be a more fun way to manage room control.
    I disagree, I like power nodes

    - The voice sayings menu. I'd like a circular one like Left for Dead and Battlefield
    Pretty sure the voice menu is a placeholder anyway. I would like to see something like that though.

    - Not being able to tell precisely where the powered area starts and ends.
    THIS. I've tried to ninja so many things as comm, only to have my building about a foot outside a powered area. Very annoying. Might be a big deal, but maybe a room should be powered to enable building drops or something. That would sort out the issue, while still allowing for some ninja phase gate play.


    my two cents. please don't yell at me D:
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  • rantologyrantology Join Date: 2012-02-05 Member: 143750Posts: 1,410Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, Community Dev Team
    most frustrating things in the game for me:

    -player collision (or lack there-of)
    -FPS lag
    -Hit reg lag


    pretty basic and commonly complained about though, but I notice them and get angry at them every time I play. :( wtb time machine so I can play a couple patches from now.
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  • GORGEousGORGEous Join Date: 2012-02-19 Member: 146762Posts: 1,457Members, NS2 Map Tester
    1) FPS lag
    2) hit detection
    3) player collision
    4) skill less weapons (GLs/flamethrowers)
    5) shade (skulks getting free kills despite skill differences)
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  • Omega_K2Omega_K2 Join Date: 2011-12-25 Member: 139013Posts: 558Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Most:

    Low FPS/Lag


    But despite that... in general:

    • Stupid teams
    • stupid coms
    • ragequitters/especially commander rq
    • server room in ns2_tram as team start.. it sucks (res nodes way to far away!)


    Now the things that are more annoying then frustrating...
    alien

    • Shotgun luck oneshot (like marine oneshotting you from a mile away)
    • Wierd hitreg as skulk sometimes
    • Massive spawn queue when people die to much
    • Getting stuck in railings/buildings/whatever as fade
    • Being unable to envolve because you are not on the ground despite the fact that you are
    • Hiding as skulk is semi-useless because of marine minimap
    • The whole get 2nd hive or loose thing as alien (skulk rushing cc is the only thing that works if you loose 2nd hive and only if you are very lucky; this is pretty boring IMHO)
    • upgrades being tied to a hive (should not loose upgrades when eg. a crag hive dies, only if the shell dies)
    • gorges not healing you
    • lack of commanding abilities - very little to do usuallly


    marines:

    • Waiting 2 minutes for an extractor because com is deif/superslow, just to get killed by 2131231 skulks once it is finally dropped
    • Getting stuck in phasegates when other people go though aswell
    • Not being able to choose the PG location (though that can be a valid tactic for alien, if they know that you'll be teleported to an unprotected PG first before you get into the real combat zone)
    • People that steal command chair and sell everything OR people that sell IPs because >they< deceide the game is lost for everyone else in the team (someone said maybe a vote for giving up, yes, that makes sense. People can simply go to rr though)


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    NS2 long standing issues (Fix ETA: Never):
    Bad Netcode (no adjustable tickrate, extremly delayed hit feedback, bad hitreg),
    Bad Performance (Poor Multi-threading, Mouse Lag, bad server performance, almost no multi-threading in server application)
    Bad Balance (GL Spam, semi-useless exos, poor chance of comebacks, no upkeep/or RT dimishing returns...)
    Technical Issues (Mouse Lag, Memory Leaks, Memory Corruption (and memory corruption server crashes))
    Bad Workshop implementation (down = kicks people/connection prboelms, out of date = nobody can join server),
  • IeptBarakatIeptBarakat The most difficult name to speak ingame. Join Date: 2009-07-10 Member: 68107Posts: 2,135Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited March 2012
    -The increased downwards velocity when trying to crouch jump. Doesn't even make sense.

    -The absence of fall damage and falling damage sound. Marines can jump from crazy heights and aliens can drop down behind you silently.

    -Gestating is finicky and should detach players on activation of evolving. With the fall damage turning them into scrambled eggs if they fell too far. Also not a frustrating thing, but first person egg vision would be cool, as it would allow you to get better orientation when hatching.

    -The current weapon pickup system as well, it should require you to look at the gun to pick it up. Instead of being in it's radius. Also being unable to procure ammo from fallen weapons of the same type. As swapping guns for their ammo is a bit silly.

    -Doors feel underdeveloped. 1 door per map and their placement has hardly any effect in the game. Would like to see more of them and only have them open for a limited time by a marine pressing the button. So aliens would take alternate routes like vents until the doors are opened by infestation or destroyed by an onos.

    -Instant map change upon round over if time is up. Would love some votemap options instead.

    -1st hive is too weak and 2nd hive is too strong. Would like to see the lifeforms untied from the hives as losing aliens generally never have a chance to bounceback from a losing situation, as all their siege tech is hive2/3.

    Nothing too frustrating, mostly knit picking I guess. As the game is working great at the moment.
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  • YuukiYuuki Join Date: 2010-11-20 Member: 75079Posts: 1,731Members
  • peregrinusperegrinus Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Posts: 2,426Members
    QUOTE (Yuuki @ Mar 8 2012, 11:54 PM) »
    Turrets.


    From aliens point of view or marines?

  • OnosFactoryOnosFactory New Zealand Join Date: 2008-07-16 Member: 64637Posts: 906Members
    Hang on, can you press crouch as a skulk to egg in vents!?! If so, arggghghghg, I never knew, that would help alot with sneaky evolves.
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  • AegisXIAegisXI Join Date: 2012-02-11 Member: 144985Posts: 55Members
    When im way in the back lines and a skulk is eating my teammates whos up front shooting him and then somehow he passes through my teamates and aims for me and kills me
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  • lunsluns Join Date: 2010-12-05 Member: 75502Posts: 804Members
    i can agree here with most of that list but you forgot to add "developers refuse to add skill based movement". And the second thing I would like to add, ignoring years of balance, and generally NS1 when they made NS2.

    Charlie says he wants NS1 spirit to be part of NS2, but i still have no clue what the means. same models? same game title? what really? NS2 was built from the ground up, ignoring many important factors NS1 built from years of testing. And now, while NS2 is being built we are going through same thing we already went through building NS1. And what makes me laugh usually some smart ass would come and say, NS2 isn't NS1, well charlie come defend that.

    so many issues we have, already been dealt with in NS1. While NS2 graphically might look more pleasant compared to NS1, the game makes things more complicated then fun. the simple things, and fun things made into hassle in ns2.
  • elodeaelodea Editlodea Join Date: 2009-06-20 Member: 67877Posts: 1,767Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    QUOTE (Yuuki @ Mar 9 2012, 09:54 AM) »
    Turrets.


    Its actually more frustrating for the marine team lol. "Hey they built a robotics guys, free win!"
    Gorge bilebomb forever.
  • YuukiYuuki Join Date: 2010-11-20 Member: 75079Posts: 1,731Members
    edited March 2012
    QUOTE (peregrinus @ Mar 9 2012, 12:05 AM) »
    From aliens point of view or marines?


    Both. We just had a comm ejected in a game because he was spaming turrets instead of getting phase gate, etc..

    @elodea, exactly :)
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  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Posts: 4,160Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited March 2012
    #1 thing is hit reg and animation update delays, both aliens and marines. hate tracking a skulk perfectly for 30+ bullets and not getting a kill because i was actually supposed to be aiming ahead of him, hate biting at a marine that's right in front of me and not getting a hit due to him actually being further away than he looks, also hate that sometimes they're not even looking at you and you get shot.

    *edit* also bites not registering if you're inside a marine's legs.
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  • NurEinMenschNurEinMensch Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14056Posts: 1,352Members, Constellation
    Apart from the obvious things like performance what annoys me most is getting stuck on the legs of the command station while walking around it. Please simplify collision geometry around some of the structures.
    This is the kind of thing that goes on behind close doors on normal game releases, where they are optimizing it right up until the end. You guys are just getting to play with a version of the game that normally only the developers see.

    --Cory
  • twostrokertwostroker Join Date: 2012-02-09 Member: 144573Posts: 50Members
    I wish alien eggs could not be so close to the wall

    have gotten stuck so many times onto the wall
  • internetexplorerinternetexplorer Join Date: 2011-10-13 Member: 127255Posts: 1,369Members
    edited March 2012
    @Skie:
    "Thankfully it will be faster in next patch. The new cropduster spores... I have mixed feelings about them. The cloud of spores is impossible to see through so I like making a cloud between me and the marines, and shooting them through it. It's impossible for them to shoot you unless comm uses a scan."

    Actually, no, they can just shoot at the centre of the gas cloud and kill you with a pistol magazine. Does anyone try this when you play, or do they just sit idle on the other side of the spores and let you peck at them?
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  • LV426-ColonistLV426-Colonist Space Jockey Join Date: 2011-08-05 Member: 114269Posts: 678Members, Constellation
    edited March 2012
    The fact that UWE is changing a game that worked.
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  • tocztocz Join Date: 2012-02-12 Member: 145070Posts: 17Members
    edited March 2012
    1. <30 fps when during build 197 i had 60+
    2. Skulks that try attacking a marine only to miss every time and block me from getting my accurate bits in.
    3. gorges who block me as fade when i have no energy to blink away.
    4. bad fades who kill me due to my low fps and how easy fades are
    5. commanders who are bad but think they know best.
    6. skulks who spam jump during combat while missing every bite
    7. marines who sit in base while aliens easily get their second hive up
    8. going phase tech thinking your team is decent enough to make use of it when they really aren't.
    9. watching 2 marines die to a single skulk as you med spam and shield them.
    10. shades
    11. the new fade movement. When you randomly blink to the left or right because u double tabbed A or D without intending to.
    12. There being a movement speed increase after leaving blink.
    13. unloading 1/4 a clip into a skulk only to realize you were hitting an invisible wall.
    14. Laggy movements (probably due to my fps)
    15. getting stuck in flight control as onos.
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  • XariusXarius Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24630Posts: 2,189Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    1. Performance
    2. Marine aiming/movement, maybe it's just me but I feel that its much harder to properly track and just generally shoot aliens compared to how it was in NS1. Now obviously this may be due to a lack of optimisation but I do seriously hope it will be improved further. Skulk play has become a lot more fluent and generally NS1 like in the latest patch, so that's definitely a great thing.
    3. ###### alien turrets on gorges, personally I do not find gorges as appealing to play as they were in NS1. Also not entirely fond of the alien commander idea, IMO it has taken a lot away from gorges in general.

    Aside from that, I've only recently started playing extensively, since my previous computer wasn't able to reliably run the beta AT ALL. I'm really impressed with how things are looking so far, its really starting to feel like NS does, so thumbs up for that.
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  • SlithersSlithers Join Date: 2010-07-30 Member: 73368Posts: 121Members
    The most frustrating thing to me is, micro-stutters in the game and the fps drop as more players join and the game progresses along, making it difficult to play.

    I love NS2, I think the game is on the right track and has so much potential, but things like this I really hope get resolved near launch.
  • paradoxumparadoxum Join Date: 2012-03-05 Member: 148193Posts: 370Members
    micro stutters are the worst problem, they just make playing a chore and not fun
  • weezlweezl Join Date: 2008-07-04 Member: 64557Posts: 518Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    this:
    QUOTE (AegisXI @ Mar 9 2012, 01:28 AM) »
    When im way in the back lines and a skulk is eating my teammates whos up front shooting him and then somehow he passes through my teamates and aims for me and kills me


    and this: http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...t&p=1911179
  • KarnajKarnaj Join Date: 2012-02-18 Member: 146518Posts: 216Members
    1. Switching weapons and being unable to shoot, forcing me to switch again. Usually happens with pistols when I'm trying to finish off a skulk.
    2. A fellow marine runs toward me and we stop in our tracks until one of us backs off.
    3. Seeing teammates place mines near each other; one skulk sets off chain reaction.
    4. Wasting rifle ammo due to slow hit reg.
    5. Losing crushing on mineshaft as marine and subsequently losing the game.
    6. Losing extractors to aliens in early game on tram; extractors on other side of map are too hard to defend without early phase.
    7. Aiming in general; it's way too sluggish and doesn't feel like raw mouse input.
    8. Buying a JP and dying to skulks in a small corridor (I know, don't rambo).
    9. Trying to weld teammates that don't stand still.
    10. Slow effect from spit, which is getting fixed ofc.
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  • 1dominator11dominator1 Join Date: 2010-11-19 Member: 75011Posts: 1,137Members
    edited March 2012
    God. Damn. JACKRABBITS!!!! I hate marines who jump around like frikking rabbits, mostly because they can jump clean over you as skulk while drilling you with their rifle. Not to mention its damn hard to keep track of them when they do. Also clipping through marines as an alien, I notice this with marines too but then I dont care cause its good for me.
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  • PvtBonesPvtBones Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28187Posts: 390Members
    shotgun. it feels like it takes 2 seconds too long to allow for the next shot to fire, am I the only one with this issue?
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  • Soylent_greenSoylent_green Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11220Posts: 2,794Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited March 2012
    The DSP and sound occlusion systems.

    Everything sounds tinny and weak(I have to use ear-drum destroying volume to hear bloody anything in NS2; so far I have managed to not forget to turn that back down when I leave NS2). Sounds drop off sufficiently after 10 meters or a wall that you don't hear almost anything. If you make any noise it is difficult to hear e.g. a fade smacking you repeatedly in the back of the head with two giant, sickle-shaped claws.

    After that; performance. The cluttered maps design/collision system that gets you snagged on little details. The mediocre movement system(compared to NS, which was ridiculously smooth and polished).
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  • GORGEousGORGEous Join Date: 2012-02-19 Member: 146762Posts: 1,457Members, NS2 Map Tester
    QUOTE (Soylent_green @ Mar 9 2012, 03:13 AM) »
    The DSP and sound occlusion systems.

    Everything sounds tinny and weak(I have to use ear-drum destroying volume to hear bloody anything in NS2; so far I have managed to not forget to turn that back down when I leave NS2). Sounds drop off sufficiently after 10 meters or a wall that you don't hear almost anything. If you make any noise it is difficult to hear e.g. a fade smacking you repeatedly in the back of the head with two giant, sickle-shaped claws.

    After that; performance. The cluttered maps design/collision system that gets you snagged on little details. The mediocre movement system(compared to NS, which was ridiculously smooth and polished).


    Oh god yes. The sound (sometimes) gets really wonky. And what's up with ambient volume cranked up to 300%? Sometimes the ambient sound is louder than my rifle.
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  • OnosFactoryOnosFactory New Zealand Join Date: 2008-07-16 Member: 64637Posts: 906Members
    edited March 2012
    Now I like the sounds in NS2, compared to alot of modern games. Personally speaking.

    However, do you remember the emotional pain felt when getting hit by a head crab in HL1? the chunky blast of the double barrel shotty in Q2? the Quad barrel nail gun in Q1? 'ergonomically terrific' in Megalomania? *any* of the sounds in GODS on Amiga? (not the PC version) ?

    For alot of people, I'd guess this isn't 'Swim Suit Monthly' ... Chunky is cool!
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